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Post by reedonly on Nov 17, 2022 11:26:34 GMT -5
With Luciano perhaps being a year away and Crawford signed for another year I don't see any need for a big name shortstop. I don't really see a huge need for Judge either. We need pitching. On KNBR this morning, a listener mentioned that he saw Kodai Senga's name up in lights at the ballpark. From what I've read about him so far, he's got an exploding fastball, a nasty forkball, and since he is a free agent, he is not going to require the Giants to put up a Japanese posting fee. The red flag about him is that he has a lengthy injury history which includes shoulder, elbow, and ankle and has never gone over 150 innings in his career. He is an alternative to one of the bigger name pitchers and has intriguing tools. Durability issues might be managed if they do what they did with Cobb last season. To me, he is a good sign if the price is right but if it gets too high, he can go elsewhere. Krukow says that Senga is a finished product but that the forkball is an unreliable pitch. Seems like the Giants are very interested but I would prefer someone a little more sturdy.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 17, 2022 11:43:50 GMT -5
With Luciano perhaps being a year away and Crawford signed for another year I don't see any need for a big name shortstop. I don't really see a huge need for Judge either. We need pitching. On KNBR this morning, a listener mentioned that he saw Kodai Senga's name up in lights at the ballpark. From what I've read about him so far, he's got an exploding fastball, a nasty forkball, and since he is a free agent, he is not going to require the Giants to put up a Japanese posting fee. The red flag about him is that he has a lengthy injury history which includes shoulder, elbow, and ankle and has never gone over 150 innings in his career. He is an alternative to one of the bigger name pitchers and has intriguing tools. Durability issues might be managed if they do what they did with Cobb last season. To me, he is a good sign if the price is right but if it gets too high, he can go elsewhere. Krukow says that Senga is a finished product but that the forkball is an unreliable pitch. Seems like the Giants are very interested but I would prefer someone a little more sturdy. Great update! Thanks!
Personally, I am NOT happy by the lack of movement by our "leaders," and I put that in quotes because I'm not crazy about their leadership, haven't signed ANYONE.
I honestly expected there to be a LOT of signings shortly after the WS ended.
But there hasn't been, and THAT disturbs me.
Now I may be expecting too much too soon, but to have NOTHING done yet?
Again, I find myself questioning their "leadership" abilities.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 18, 2022 10:29:14 GMT -5
The big clubs have been relatively slow. They probably want to direct attention to rule 5 draft first.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 18, 2022 11:10:27 GMT -5
The big clubs have been relatively slow. They probably want to direct attention to rule 5 draft first. I miss read this off season and misread it badly.
I figured that with in a day or two of the WS ending, there'd be a flurry of signings...
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Post by reedonly on Nov 18, 2022 11:26:22 GMT -5
The big clubs have been relatively slow. They probably want to direct attention to rule 5 draft first. I miss read this off season and misread it badly.
I figured that with in a day or two of the WS ending, there'd be a flurry of signings...
The big spenders (NYY, NYY, LA, SD, Philly, etc) have not really done too much outside of the Rizzo signing and you know how Boras likes to wait until the last minute to drain every last dime out of a team. Most of the Giants' news is around the Rule 5 draft at the moment. One notable omission is Will Wilson (SS) who FZ invested pretty heavily in and they put Wisely (2B) who they just traded for on the 40 man. I'm thinking Luciano and Arceaga are too low on the chain to take over so that must mean they are going to go after a SS on the FA market and think Wilson would be expendable. Based on Wilson's physical condition, it would be hard for another team to keep him on the roster for a whole season. Another notable omission was Avila who I'm afraid they're going to lose. With the way FZ uses the roster, I would surprised if the Giants would be able to find anyone useful to draft on the Rule 5 because he likes his roster spaces.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 18, 2022 14:22:11 GMT -5
Risa was the guy I was hoping we would get. I like him for many reasons, not the least of which is he replaces Brandon belt. Who did he sign with?
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 18, 2022 14:22:28 GMT -5
Risa was the guy I was hoping we would get. I like him for many reasons, not the least of which is he replaces Brandon belt. Who did he sign with?
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Post by reedonly on Nov 18, 2022 14:56:06 GMT -5
Rizzo signed w NYY
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 19, 2022 9:41:44 GMT -5
Stupid phone! I said rizzo it typed risa idiot phone!
But thank you for the update
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Post by reedonly on Nov 20, 2022 10:09:56 GMT -5
On KNBR this morning, a listener mentioned that he saw Kodai Senga's name up in lights at the ballpark. From what I've read about him so far, he's got an exploding fastball, a nasty forkball, and since he is a free agent, he is not going to require the Giants to put up a Japanese posting fee. The red flag about him is that he has a lengthy injury history which includes shoulder, elbow, and ankle and has never gone over 150 innings in his career. He is an alternative to one of the bigger name pitchers and has intriguing tools. Durability issues might be managed if they do what they did with Cobb last season. To me, he is a good sign if the price is right but if it gets too high, he can go elsewhere. Krukow says that Senga is a finished product but that the forkball is an unreliable pitch. Seems like the Giants are very interested but I would prefer someone a little more sturdy. Great update! Thanks!
Personally, I am NOT happy by the lack of movement by our "leaders," and I put that in quotes because I'm not crazy about their leadership, haven't signed ANYONE.
I honestly expected there to be a LOT of signings shortly after the WS ended.
But there hasn't been, and THAT disturbs me.
Now I may be expecting too much too soon, but to have NOTHING done yet?
Again, I find myself questioning their "leadership" abilities.
I saw the Twitter picture of Senga's picture on the Oracle scoreboard and I heard he was impressed by the Giants' presentation but he would probably change his mind when he sees what a cesspool the city of San Francisco is. Japanese players don't like the suburbs like the American players do and prefer the energy of an urban environment. Last year, Suzuki and his wife liked Chicago's downtown better and Yu Darvish told them that they would like it there so that's why they went to Chicago. Chicago is no model of urban development so that is a really low bar. There is movement even though there have been no signings. They've already reached out to Judge's people and they seem pretty serious about Kenley Jansen. I would not be surprised if they started looking in on Cody Bellinger who qualifies as being more athletic. As it was with Joc, there were relationships with FZ and GK because of their previous stint with the Dodgers.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 20, 2022 20:15:20 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised NO ONE from another country wouldn't want to live in the SF cesspool. Not to mention California's taxes and gas prices. Though likely that's not an issue for a Japanese player because gas over there is off the charts. Or so I'm told.
But Bellinger? He lost his stroke a couple of years ago, and from what I've seen he's never gotten it back.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 20, 2022 22:09:57 GMT -5
Bellinger makes sense on a pillow contract.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 21, 2022 9:38:34 GMT -5
What is a pillow contract?
I am not opposed to signing Cody, but at what cost?
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Post by reedonly on Nov 21, 2022 10:05:07 GMT -5
Pillow contract is for new free agents coming off of a bad year. They get a short term deal to prove themselves and then go for the bigger long term deal. That was Joc last season. Just throwing numbers out there, it might take as much as $15 million/1 year for Bellinger. He is a good fielder so he is worth looking at.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 21, 2022 10:25:28 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised NO ONE from another country wouldn't want to live in the SF cesspool. Not to mention California's taxes and gas prices. Though likely that's not an issue for a Japanese player because gas over there is off the charts. Or so I'm told. But Bellinger? He lost his stroke a couple of years ago, and from what I've seen he's never gotten it back. Guys like Cain and Posey were able to get spreads in the suburbs but the Japanese lifestyle is more urban and they probably won't go for SF compared to other cities.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 21, 2022 10:35:49 GMT -5
Considering the large, Japanese population in SF, that's actually surprising; that they won't come.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 21, 2022 16:15:47 GMT -5
Japanese population in San Francisco is not really all that big. LA, Orange County, San Diego, and Seattle are probably more to a Japanese players' liking than San Francisco. The percentage of Japanese in San Francisco is about 1%. In the southern LA area as in Torrance and Gardena, its as high as 10% even if downtown LA is 1%.
Its a subtle thing but when we visited Japan and ate their food in Japan, the food was so good over there that I got really angry. Most places in the US that make "Japanese" food make it like American or Chinese food and really don't have a clue what the true Japanese food is like. I live in the Bay Area and there are few restaurants in the area that get it. Southern Cal and Seattle have a lot more that is closer to actual (but still not quite). Southern Cal and Seattle will always have that edge on getting Japanese players.
They can put up Senga's name in lights and he's going to be polite enough to say he is impressed but I would be surprised if he would sign in SF. If any of the Southern Cal teams or Seattle matches the offer, he would go there. I do not believe that the negotiating group is savvy enough to deal with the cultural differences but they cannot assume that Senga or any other Japanese player would be swayed by going to a city with a large Asian population.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 22, 2022 11:11:08 GMT -5
I have said earlier that I don't want either.
Too much money for Judge that would PREVENT us from signing the necessary talent around him to win.
Rodon just disturbs me. Too many command issues, IMHO, and when his fastball goes...he's a batting practice pitcher as his FB as 0 movement.
And his fastball WILL go. Maybe not this year, and maybe not the next, but IF we sign him to a long, multi-year deal, we will get badly hosed on the back end.
And that assumes he'll stay healthy, which I'm betting he wont'. Of course, the big news right now is that Judge is in town. Krukow brought up the point today that Judge is now 31 and he will want to sign with a team that has a shot at winning a World Series Championship year after year so FZ is going to have to get his head out of the bargain basement aisle. FZ seems timid compared to the average GM so if anything is done, it would be a surprise. Greg Johnson, the CEO, has given FZ the green light financially to do whatever it takes so there are no more excuses. Judge wants to do his deal fast so that it gives the team that signs him a chance to make other moves. I am reading from NBC sports that Mitch Haniger is the backup plan. Supposedly, he is good defensively but is a 31 year old .248 hitter. Dodger, Angels, and Rangers are also in on Haniger. Haniger represents a big drop off after Aaron Judge so I'm not sure if I see what the plan is.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 22, 2022 13:46:16 GMT -5
I read about Haniger and I'm thinking, WHAT? You can't be seriously pursuing this guy!
But then again, as you put it, he's always got his head BURIED in the bargain basement aisle.
I would have chosen a different location for where his head is buried!
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Post by reedonly on Nov 22, 2022 16:52:45 GMT -5
Haniger hit 39 homers in 2021 and now I'm hearing the Twins and Braves are in on him, also. I think his defense is his big selling point. Haniger is not considered bargain basement.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 23, 2022 9:34:43 GMT -5
Bad choice of words On my part. I didn't do my homework. Still, a guy having one good year is not someone I'm gonna jump up-and-down over until I see more.
The gap between air and judge and anyone else is gigantic.
I would rather have nimo then this guy.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 23, 2022 10:08:33 GMT -5
The thing is that if the Giants are serious about wanting to get Judge, they're going to have to show they are willing to renovate the whole house to surround the new suit. This morning, Kuiper said yesterday's meeting was to gauge how seriously Judge wants to come back. If he's serious, they're going to have to go all in but they have to be careful not to devote all their attention on getting Judge and possibly lose out on others. One thing that seems clear is that Judge is not all in on returning to New York Yankees or else he would not even be meeting up with the Giants.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 23, 2022 11:14:25 GMT -5
Bad choice of words On my part. I didn't do my homework. Still, a guy having one good year is not someone I'm gonna jump up-and-down over until I see more. The gap between air and judge and anyone else is gigantic. I would rather have nimo then this guy. Nimmo seems like a good fit if FZ is going by his stated goals of getting more athletic. Heniger has displayed more power in the past so that is why so many teams are in on him. Susan Slusser says that the Giants have checked in with Nimmo and Bellinger. It shows they are not solely focused on Judge. In fact, today Kuiper said that center field is a priority.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 23, 2022 16:14:50 GMT -5
Bad choice of words On my part. I didn't do my homework. Still, a guy having one good year is not someone I'm gonna jump up-and-down over until I see more. The gap between air and judge and anyone else is gigantic. I would rather have nimo then this guy. Supposedly, a lot of teams think Haniger was adversely affected by the shift so they expect his numbers to bump up a bit, say to .260. They also are looking at hard hit balls. At age 31, I would be cautious about giving him anything more than a two year deal since he really has not been healthy enough to have platform season (not his fault). Trade rumors thinks he will get 3y/$39mm
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 23, 2022 21:06:37 GMT -5
Bad choice of words On my part. I didn't do my homework. Still, a guy having one good year is not someone I'm gonna jump up-and-down over until I see more. The gap between air and judge and anyone else is gigantic. I would rather have nimo then this guy. Supposedly, a lot of teams think Haniger was adversely affected by the shift so they expect his numbers to bump up a bit, say to .260. They also are looking at hard hit balls. At age 31, I would be cautious about giving him anything more than a two year deal since he really has not been healthy enough to have platform season (not his fault). Trade rumors thinks he will get 3y/$39mm If he can hit 30+ HRs, that's a reasonable signing these days.
and if he's as good defensively as they say, that's even better.
But why do I feel FZ would rather settle for this guy than sign Judge?
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Post by reedonly on Nov 23, 2022 21:56:31 GMT -5
Judge has already met with FZ, Kapler, and Baer on Monday and they asked Steph Curry to help with recruiting. This is some creative thinking outside the box and it shows they are serious this time.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 24, 2022 9:33:29 GMT -5
I certainly hope so. My concern is that FZ is just going through the motions of making it look like the giants really have a shot at signing Aaron judge.
That is a very pessimistic point of view, I realize, but over the last 3 or 4 years, my distrust of everything FZ does has grown, grown, and grown
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Post by reedonly on Nov 24, 2022 11:56:40 GMT -5
FZ might be going through the motions but ownership seems serious. Remember, ownership now includes Posey and there’s urgency to improve in a hurry. The report saying they will use Steph Curry to recruit is definitely creative and it’s looked upon as the biggest name in Bay Area sports looking for his successor.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 24, 2022 14:22:20 GMT -5
FZ might be going through the motions but ownership seems serious. Remember, ownership now includes Posey and there’s urgency to improve in a hurry. The report saying they will use Steph Curry to recruit is definitely creative and it’s looked upon as the biggest name in Bay Area sports looking for his successor. No question, they are being creative, and Posey will certainly have some influence.
I just feel so betrayed by FZ I don't trust a word that comes out of his deceitful mouth.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 24, 2022 17:54:38 GMT -5
I know how you feel about FZ but he now has to act. He has no financial excuses and Putila is fully capable of taking over if he diddles around like he did last season.
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