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Post by reedonly on Oct 16, 2022 8:36:35 GMT -5
Here's my question; look at the roster, consider the whole year, and come up with The most disappointing giant or giants. I'm gonna select 3. 1st for me is Yaz. Hands down Second, the manager, Gabe kepler. Third, is one you might not expect. Austin Slater. By no means is he a star, but after the season he had last year and then the season before, it looked like he was ready for a breakout year. A breakout year that never came. It just got really old watching him take pictures down the middle Chase pictures out of the strike zone, and other than a hot streak or generally underperform Congratulations to the Phillies for making the NLCS after firing Kapler.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 16, 2022 9:31:39 GMT -5
To ME that says a LOT!
But it won't phase our management leaders one bit!
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Post by reedonly on Oct 18, 2022 15:49:52 GMT -5
To ME that says a LOT! But it won't phase our management leaders one bit! Well, he was manager when the Giants won 107 so they have to account for that, also.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 18, 2022 21:27:21 GMT -5
Rare years by so many players. If I'm the GM, I take that in the consideration
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Post by reedonly on Oct 21, 2022 10:08:02 GMT -5
Boly: Too much money for Judge that would PREVENT us from signing the necessary talent around him to win.
It would be a PR disaster if the Dodgers and Giants got into a bidding war over Judge and if the Giants lose out to the Dodgers. A parallel thing happened last night when the Rams and 49ers got into a bidding competition over Christian Mccaffrey. The difference is that the 49ers are more in a position to go all in than the Giants are.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 21, 2022 13:18:41 GMT -5
Who won? The rams of the 40 niners?
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Post by reedonly on Oct 21, 2022 15:17:12 GMT -5
Who won? The rams of the 40 niners? 49ers got him for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks in 2023 and a 5th in 2024.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 21, 2022 20:17:36 GMT -5
CRAP! I've been a Ram fan, and 49er hater since 1958.
The Rams couldn't match those draft picks.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 24, 2022 15:57:28 GMT -5
Sportsnet recently ran an article about the Phillies' unusual approach to team composition. They said the Phillies consisted of a couple of good starters, solid catcher, and a bunch of DH types. They made it this far with DH types and shaky defense, and which team does that describe? With the elimination of the shift, the Giants cannot afford to field a poor defense any longer and hopefully FZ does not use the Phillies as a template for anything. Next year's game will be different than last year's and teams that will try to get away with poor defense might not be able to do so.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 25, 2022 10:15:30 GMT -5
And honestly, I think that's fair. If hes looking for the same kind of money he got this year, I'd shown the door. But I don't think Brandon is that kind of guy. I think you'll understand that the giants cannot offer him the same kind of money come up because they can't depend upon him to play a full season. I think the Giants realize that Longoria might be good for about 80 games maximum so the re-negotiation might reflect that. Belt does not feel he should have to go the minor league contract route but the reality is that it might be the only way or else he gets an incentive laden contract. I feel Belt makes more sense than Longoria because he is a better fielder for his position and he might have a decent year if he does not have to hit into shifts. I also get the nagging suspicion that they will end up signing both which would go against Farhan's stated desire to get more athleticism onto the team. Now that Bochy has signed a three year deal with Texas, Belt to Texas might make sense. Baggerly also thinks Bumgarner might end up in Texas.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 25, 2022 16:10:03 GMT -5
I think the Giants realize that Longoria might be good for about 80 games maximum so the re-negotiation might reflect that. Belt does not feel he should have to go the minor league contract route but the reality is that it might be the only way or else he gets an incentive laden contract. I feel Belt makes more sense than Longoria because he is a better fielder for his position and he might have a decent year if he does not have to hit into shifts. I also get the nagging suspicion that they will end up signing both which would go against Farhan's stated desire to get more athleticism onto the team. Now that Bochy has signed a three year deal with Texas, Belt to Texas might make sense. Baggerly also thinks Bumgarner might end up in Texas. You're right, Reed. Those do make sense!
Belt goes to a manager who appreciates him, and we get new blood.
Unless that new blood is another JR Phillips clone, that is...
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Post by Islandboagie on Oct 25, 2022 19:39:08 GMT -5
Not sure why Bochy is coming back, or what the plan Texas has for their team. I suppose Belt or Bum might be a fit if that makes sense.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 25, 2022 20:10:02 GMT -5
The problem is all the 1b at higher levels are not natural first basemen and all are right handed.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 26, 2022 9:35:15 GMT -5
Not sure why Bochy is coming back, or what the plan Texas has for their team. I suppose Belt or Bum might be a fit if that makes sense. I'm a massive fan of Madison, but based upon his poor performance these last couple of seasons, I can't see the Texas Rangers going crazy to get him. In my opinion, belt makes a lot more sense. If he can stay healthy, he'll provide a lot of power, and really good defense at first base.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 26, 2022 10:24:10 GMT -5
I also am a big fan of Bum but he has never been the same since the dirt bike accident and he was starting to decline even before that. On KNBR yesterday, they mentioned that Rags should give them a call and I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that Wotus or Flannery might also call them.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 26, 2022 11:58:18 GMT -5
I also am a big fan of Bum but he has never been the same since the dirt bike accident and he was starting to decline even before that. On KNBR yesterday, they mentioned that Rags should give them a call and I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that Wotus or Flannery might also call them. You're right; that dirt bike incident seemed to kick it all off.
But you're also right in that there were signs he was already declining.
In that game he pitched in Az, he got lit up.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 26, 2022 15:24:48 GMT -5
It’s possible that Bum’s WS heroics may have taken a toll on his career. There’s no way of knowing but home runs were more frequent after 2014
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 26, 2022 19:36:58 GMT -5
Actually, you may be on to something. In 19 in 63 I think it was Warren spahn and Wayan Marichal hooked up for something like 17 or 18 innings, and it said that after that game Warren Spahn was never the same
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Post by reedonly on Oct 27, 2022 10:38:08 GMT -5
I have said earlier that I don't want either.
Too much money for Judge that would PREVENT us from signing the necessary talent around him to win.
Rodon just disturbs me. Too many command issues, IMHO, and when his fastball goes...he's a batting practice pitcher as his FB as 0 movement.
And his fastball WILL go. Maybe not this year, and maybe not the next, but IF we sign him to a long, multi-year deal, we will get badly hosed on the back end.
And that assumes he'll stay healthy, which I'm betting he wont'. Brisbee feels that the Giants will not be in the Top Two for Judge. Probably Mets and Yankees would be the top two. Krukow thinks any Judge rumors at this point is because of the slow news cycle, even if it comes from Yankee sources. Krukow mentioned that the family was not happy with the way Judge was treated in New York during the playoffs but we shall see. Based on the way FZ operates, I expect more of the same churn and dawdling around but I am growing weary of that.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 27, 2022 16:08:36 GMT -5
Swell... more of the same crap, which means we can't compete.
As I said... swell
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Post by reedonly on Oct 28, 2022 10:34:39 GMT -5
I have said earlier that I don't want either.
Too much money for Judge that would PREVENT us from signing the necessary talent around him to win.
Rodon just disturbs me. Too many command issues, IMHO, and when his fastball goes...he's a batting practice pitcher as his FB as 0 movement.
And his fastball WILL go. Maybe not this year, and maybe not the next, but IF we sign him to a long, multi-year deal, we will get badly hosed on the back end.
And that assumes he'll stay healthy, which I'm betting he wont'. With the banning of the shifts, money is better spent on a SS like Correa or Turner. Its going to take a long term contract similar to Seager's. My fear is that they get too focused on Judge and lose out on one of the shortstops but I think the shortstop is more important. Ownership thinks Judge will sell more merchandise, though. Also, with the difference on not signing Judge, they might get another starting pitcher. What I'm hearing is that they want to push one of the current rotation into a swing role. Surprisingly, they think Wood is better for the swing because he loses effectiveness after two runs through the lineup. They are banking on DeSclafani to be healthy enough to be an innings eater (to me, that is a stretch). The starter looks to be one of the older guys on a shorter term contract rather than Rodon on a longer term contract.
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Post by Islandboagie on Oct 28, 2022 22:40:37 GMT -5
With Luciano perhaps being a year away and Crawford signed for another year I don't see any need for a big name shortstop.
I don't really see a huge need for Judge either.
We need pitching.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 29, 2022 8:43:40 GMT -5
I agree with both of you. We need a short stop it is shortstop, and pitching.. Starting pitching
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Post by reedonly on Oct 29, 2022 20:33:38 GMT -5
I believe management does not see Luciano as a SS
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 30, 2022 8:45:27 GMT -5
So common I interpret this to mean this is just one more failure of our scouting system, comma correct?
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Post by reedonly on Oct 31, 2022 9:11:33 GMT -5
No, its more that defense is going to be more important so they want someone more than adequate. Luciano had some defensive concerns earlier but he is still only playing SS in the minors. Luciano is still considered the most untouchable. No system failures but he had a back injury last season.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 15, 2022 11:39:42 GMT -5
So common I interpret this to mean this is just one more failure of our scouting system, comma correct? Areteaga is seen as a superior fielder than Luciano.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 16, 2022 11:24:03 GMT -5
Not sure why Bochy is coming back, or what the plan Texas has for their team. I suppose Belt or Bum might be a fit if that makes sense. I am not sure why Bochy is coming back, either. For a guy who had cardiac issues, this is not an ideal situation. I guess he really misses the game and if his wife is okay with it, then I suppose we'd have to be okay with it also. For is sake, I just hope it doesn't end up badly like it did for LaRussa.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 16, 2022 13:08:18 GMT -5
I'm not so concerned with Bochy's health, I think the replay review has lowered the stress level of managers. I'm just curious why he's coming back because the game has changed negatively for his style of managing. He won't be able to use the bullpen to out-manage other managers like he did so many times before.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 16, 2022 22:14:21 GMT -5
Bochy's medical condition is not a little thing. He has had atrial fibrillation, atrial flutter (resulting in an ablation) and two stents (for two blocked coronry artieries). This means he is probably on blood thinners to prevent clots from dislodging due to fibrillation. He has a top notch electrophysiologist and he is not feeling symptomatic so I guess he feels good to go. You are right that a lot of his strategy has been taken away from him. ITs not the stress of the game that's going to take its toll on him. It will be the travel. Going through airports and long plane rides is not the best thing for a man with his medical history at this stage of the pandemic.
On a personal level, I would like him to get into the HOF while he is around to enjoy it and all of us think he deserves it. A new managing stint pushes the timetable back because I think they will not elect him while he is actively managing.
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