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Post by Islandboagie on Jan 29, 2013 13:35:39 GMT -5
With our infielders there's a fairly high ceiling. The Brandons are both young and still learning how to hit at the major league level. Pablo is still fat, and Scutaro has undoubtably hit the ceiling, which only leaves him room to decline.
Brandon Belt COULD be a 25-30 hr guy, but he could also sputter out and be another Damon Minor, Lance Niekro, John Bowker, J.R. Phillips. I root for Belt, but the extended list of failed young first baseman will always make me doubt how long Belt will be a major league first baseman.
I love what Belt did during the second half of 2012, but I also love what he did during the second half of 2011. In fact I'd say I was more impressed at the end of 2011 because he was showing alot of power.
Before the 2011 season Rog was already writing out Belt's HoF acceptance speech. Here we are two years later and the progress is at best, minimum, if at all. Sometimes he looks good at the plate, other times he swings through junk right down the middle.
Brandon Belt proves to be the key going into next season, much like John Bowker, J.R. Phillips, Lance Neikro and Damon Minor were during their time. Without Belt establishing himself as a starting major leaguer, our offense will again show some dismal results.
We know what to expect from Scutaro. He'll make alot of contact and get on base his fair share. He's solid with the glove but not spectacular.
The other Brandon, Brandon Crawford, impressed me. He did what Belt hasn't managed to do yet. He's established himself as a major leaguer. He's a human vaccuum cleaner at shortstop and he's learned to get his hits when they matter most. At a defensive position that's really the most you can ask for. I'd like to see the average and power rise a little bit, but after last season I think the chances of that happening are fairly good.
Pablo's 3 homeruns in the World Series put him on a national level of fame. Unfortunately his lack of self control and conditioning has continued to cause injury-plagued seasons. The good news is he can't break his hammate bone anymore. The bad news is he's still got plenty of other muscles and tendons to pull. With his body-type it's only a matter of time before he find his way back on the DL in 2013. Perhaps he'll use the DL time this year to lose a few lbs, instead of raping women and going to clubs. Don't get me wrong, I love Pablo. But if he got into shape he'd be the best 3rd baseman in the NL, 20-25 hrs, 100 rbis. Instead he's putting up average numbers and missing 2 months of the season. When you're making millions of dollars, you need to start getting serious. Hopefully 2013 will be the turning point.
The Pablo factor makes me believe that whoever we get for our last two bench spots, one must be a decent hitter who can play third base.
We just signed Arias to a 1 year deal, but as we learned with Arias, he's actually better in limited time. We need an infielder who can be put in the lineup for a month and not start giving away at-bats.
The perfect player would be a right handed bat who can play third and first base, who has a little bit of pop.
The alternative will be Theriot or someone from our farm system like Noonan or Gillespie.
Overall I like our infield, especially defensively. But, if Pablo's fat isn't an issue, and Belt continues to improve, I think we might have a darn good offense.
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Post by donk on Jan 29, 2013 14:19:45 GMT -5
The best thing about Crawford in 2012 was his improvement with the bat in the last 2 months of the season.....280 in August and .290 in September....I also like what I saw of him against LH pitchers, but evidently Bochy didn't agree with me...Left handers seem to pitch him inside and Crawford appears to be very quick with his bat on the inside....The other positive was that the umps started to give him a better break on the outside pitch......
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 6, 2013 19:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Feb 6, 2013 22:11:42 GMT -5
Don -- The other positive was that the umps started to give him a better break on the outside pitch...... Rog -- Yep. The umpires got together and discussed among themselves how Brandon Crawford was hitting better in the second half of the season, and decided to give him a better break on the outside pitch. dk..and you are a complete fool if that doesn't happen....but then again you are the fool that calls everyone else a fool .....
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 7, 2013 13:34:30 GMT -5
]Don -- The other positive was that the umps started to give him a better break on the outside pitch...... Rog -- Yep. The umpires got together and discussed among themselves how Brandon Crawford was hitting better in the second half of the season, and decided to give him a better break on the outside pitch. dk..and you are a complete fool if that doesn't happen.... Rog -- Would you mind citing your source? Don --but then again you are the fool that calls everyone else a fool ..... Rog -- I usually don't call anyone a fool, although I sometimes do mention that only a fool would write or think something. But, hey, if the shoe fits (not sure if it fits the foot or the fool), wear it. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#8632#ixzz2KEv2Gj8I
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Post by donk on Feb 7, 2013 14:58:55 GMT -5
]Don -- The other positive was that the umps started to give him a better break on the outside pitch...... Rog -- Yep. The umpires got together and discussed among themselves how Brandon Crawford was hitting better in the second half of the season, and decided to give him a better break on the outside pitch. dk..and you are a complete fool if that doesn't happen.... Rog -- Would you mind citing your source? Don --but then again you are the fool that calls everyone else a fool ..... Rog -- I usually don't call anyone a fool, although I sometimes do mention that only a fool would write or think something. But, hey, if the shoe fits (not sure if it fits the foot or the fool), wear it. dk...I can't, you have those shoes on...and rightfully so....thus proving it fits the feet of a fool....
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Post by klaiggeb on Feb 8, 2013 11:00:09 GMT -5
Before the 2011 season Rog was already writing out Belt's HoF acceptance speech. Here we are two years later and the progress is at best, minimum, if at all. Sometimes he looks good at the plate, other times he swings through junk right down the middle.
Brandon Belt proves to be the key going into next season, much like John Bowker, J.R. Phillips, Lance Neikro and Damon Minor were during their time. Without Belt establishing himself as a starting major leaguer, our offense will again show some dismal results.
We know what to expect from Scutaro. He'll make alot of contact and get on base his fair share. He's solid with the glove but not spectacular.
The other Brandon, Brandon Crawford, impressed me. He did what Belt hasn't managed to do yet. He's established himself as a major leaguer. He's a human vaccuum cleaner at shortstop and he's learned to get his hits when they matter most. At a defensive position that's really the most you can ask for. I'd like to see the average and power rise a little bit, but after last season I think the chances of that happening are fairly good.
---boly says---
Boagie, I agree with you 100%. I, too, see Belt as a huge key for this season. Him becoming what he's expected to become would allow us to play defensive guys in LF who only contribute a little in LF.
As to Crawford, you and I seem to be the only 2 who see how far he's come. The guy IS a vaccuum cleaner at SS.
After an early season blip, the guy catches everything and has a proverbial cannon for an arm.
And he has done, exactly as you have said; established himself as a major leaguer, which Belt has not done.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 14:56:27 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:04:12 GMT -5
Don -- Before the 2011 season Rog was already writing out Belt's HoF acceptance speech. Rog -- If you're going to cite what I say, please do so more accurately. Here are some of the horrible errors you have cited: . What you said: That I called Sandy less than great. What I actually said: I have consistently said that Sandy is great, but point out how amazingly much greater he was in Dodger Stadium than on the road. . What you said: That I put Tim Lincecum in the Hall of Fame. What I actually said: That Tim was on pace for the Hall of Fame, but that he had a long, long way to go. . What you said: That I also placed Buster Posey in the Hall of Fame. What I actually said: That if continues to play at this level for another decade, he will become one of the best-hitting catchers of all time. . What you said: "Before the 2011 season Rog was already writing out Belt's HoF acceptance speech." What I actually said: That Brandon had Hall of Fame potential. This is getting old, Don. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KL6g2RAH
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:06:43 GMT -5
Sorry, Don. That last quote I wrote was from Boagie. I didn't expect it from him and thought when Boly copied it, it was from you.
The rest of what I wrote above is accurate, though.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:10:52 GMT -5
Boagie -- Brandon Belt COULD be a 25-30 hr guy, but he could also sputter out and be another Damon Minor, Lance Niekro, John Bowker, J.R. Phillips. Rog -- I don't expect quite that much power from Belt, Boagie. I think he might hit that many homers in one season, but not on a regular basis. On the other hand, he's almost certainly going to be a lot better than the other guys you cite. Heck, as much as he has struggled and as inconsistent as he's been, he already IS. Brandon handles the glove far, far better than the guys you cited, and his .781 OPS last season was higher than anyone on the team the full season except for Buster Posey and Pablo Sandoval. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KL9G4CLL
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:20:54 GMT -5
Boagie -- The other Brandon, Brandon Crawford, impressed me. He did what Belt hasn't managed to do yet. He's established himself as a major leaguer. He's a human vaccuum cleaner at shortstop and he's learned to get his hits when they matter most. At a defensive position that's really the most you can ask for. I'd like to see the average and power rise a little bit, but after last season I think the chances of that happening are fairly good. Rog -- I would have to say that I believe both Brandons have established themselves as major leaguers. What neither has yet done is establish himself at the level of an average starter. Crawford looks extremely good in the field, which may show significant improvement. A couple of years ago he wasn't considered by too many to be the Giants' best-fielding shortstop. Ehire Adrianza held that honor. Either Crawford has improved a lot, or Ehire must be REALLY good in the field (although he has less bat than Brandon at this time and thus hasn't advanced beyond AA). As for hitting, Brandon did indeed show a significant amount of improvement last season, and he continued to improve as the season went along. He has proven himself as a major league fielder; this season will be quite important to him as a hitter. Here a couple of encouraging facts: . Crawford posted a .760 OPS in September/October. . Although Belt was flat-out awful with a .480 (!) OPS in July, he posted .963 in June, .887 in August and .881 in September. Belt batted .349 in August and .310 in September. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KLAOMw84
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 8, 2013 15:30:01 GMT -5
Boagie -- The Pablo factor makes me believe that whoever we get for our last two bench spots, one must be a decent hitter who can play third base. We just signed Arias to a 1 year deal, but as we learned with Arias, he's actually better in limited time. We need an infielder who can be put in the lineup for a month and not start giving away at-bats. The perfect player would be a right handed bat who can play third and first base, who has a little bit of pop. Rog -- You make a good point here, Boagie, but if a right-handed hitter can play the two corners and bat with pop, they usually too expensive and/or not available. Mark Reynolds has hit .198, .221 and .221 the past three seasons. He is a poor fielder at the corners. He has averaged 200 strikeouts per season. Yet he signed with the Indians for $6 million this season. I too would like that right-handed power hitter to back up the infield corners. But most such players usually start and are paid accordingly. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KLCtaWet
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Post by donk on Feb 9, 2013 2:32:44 GMT -5
Don -- Before the 2011 season Rog was already writing out Belt's HoF acceptance speech. Rog -- If you're going to cite what I say, please do so more accurately. Here are some of the horrible errors you have cited: dk..listen, little nerd...that isn't my quote....so don't put my name to it...fight with someone else about it.... . What you said: That I called Sandy less than great. What I actually said: I have consistently said that Sandy is great, but point out how amazingly much greater he was in Dodger Stadium than on the road. dk...no, you are full of BS....and you never got the point of the whole argument.....you are one redundent little man... . What you said: That I put Tim Lincecum in the Hall of Fame. What I actually said: That Tim was on pace for the Hall of Fame, but that he had a long, long way to go. dk...of course he had a long way to go but you were sure he was the greatest thing that ever happened to the Giants and it was only a matter of time......you even made sure we knew you were buddies with Tim's father....but I guess he got wise to you, too and he now has nothing to do with you... . What you said: That I also placed Buster Posey in the Hall of Fame. What I actually said: That if continues to play at this level for another decade, he will become one of the best-hitting catchers of all time. . What you said: "Before the 2011 season Rog was already writing out Belt's HoF acceptance speech." What I actually said: That Brandon had Hall of Fame potential. This is getting old, Don. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KL6g2RAH
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Post by Islandboagie on Feb 9, 2013 9:10:56 GMT -5
Rog -- You make a good point here, Boagie, but if a right-handed hitter can play the two corners and bat with pop, they usually too expensive and/or not available.
Mark Reynolds has hit .198, .221 and .221 the past three seasons. He is a poor fielder at the corners. He has averaged 200 strikeouts per season. Yet he signed with the Indians for $6 million this season.
I too would like that right-handed power hitter to back up the infield corners. But most such players usually start and are paid accordingly.
Boagie- Mark Reynolds is someone with ALOT of pop, and speed. When I say a little pop I mean someone who can hit 5-10 homeruns in a backup role. If Brett Pill could play 3rd base he'd be a good candidate. Gillaspie and Noonan have shown a little pop in Fresno, they too might be good candidates. Ryan Theriot and Tanaka would not fit that mold, although I wouldn't be upset if the Giants brought back Ryan for one more season.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 10, 2013 12:11:05 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 10, 2013 12:17:37 GMT -5
Don -- . What you said: That I put Tim Lincecum in the Hall of Fame. What I actually said: That Tim was on pace for the Hall of Fame, but that he had a long, long way to go. dk...of course he had a long way to go but you were sure he was the greatest thing that ever happened to the Giants and it was only a matter of time...... Rog -- Show us where I didn't say he had a long way to go, or just let it rest. Don -- you even made sure we knew you were buddies with Tim's father....but I guess he got wise to you, too and he now has nothing to do with you... Rog -- We still email occasionally, but not nearly as often as used to. Remember, two different time IIRC you disagreed when I said that Tim began to throw his change up in 2007. I kind of shut that down (at least I thought so the first time) when I posted an email from Chris that showed he and I discussed Tim's throwing change ups in his very first start at Fresno. By the way, while I didn't say Tim was the greatest thing to happen to the Giants as you indicated here, I did say that I believed he would become the best pitcher in SF Giants history. The chances of that happening now are almost nill. Still, he did win two Cy Youngs, which is (amazingly) two more than Juan Marichal did. This upcoming season is hugely important to Tim's career (not to mention his next contract). Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KW8PFLjU
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 10, 2013 12:33:44 GMT -5
Boagie- Mark Reynolds is someone with ALOT of pop, and speed. When I say a little pop I mean someone who can hit 5-10 homeruns in a backup role. If Brett Pill could play 3rd base he'd be a good candidate. Gillaspie and Noonan have shown a little pop in Fresno, they too might be good candidates. Ryan Theriot and Tanaka would not fit that mold, although I wouldn't be upset if the Giants brought back Ryan for one more season. Rog -- I get your point here, Boagie. The Giants backup candidate who could provide significant pop is Roger Kieschnick. In each of his two full seasons in the minors, he has hit 23 and 16 homers. Then last season he had 15 homers in only 222 at bats before being injured. I'm not big on him because of his 379/112 K/BB ratio, although he does hit enough home runs to mitigate that slightly when the ratio is expanded to K/BB/HR. Still not good enough for me though. That said, Roger his .306 with a .980 OPS at Fresno last year. For better or worse, that's Nate Schierholtz territory. Roger is 26 now, so he needs to show he can stay healthy and produce at the major league level. He is reaching the period of time that can involved the prospect/suspect evolution. If Roger does become the 5th outfielder, I think that would be a break for Tony Abreu, who bats right-handed while Kieschnick is a lefty swinger. Roger does have pop, having smacked for 1.74 bases per hit, but his high strikeout rate of more than one K per four at bats has limited his batting average to .276. That and his low walk rate have put him at only a .329 OBP. Defensively, Kieschnick runs and throws above averagely, and he catches the balls he gets to. At the plate he grounds into few double plays, an indication of his speed and especially his propensity for hitting fly balls. A fly ball hitter with power has potential, but he's got to get the holes out of his swing in order to make more contact. But he's the one guy with the potential to provide the pop the Giants clearly could use off the bench. But he's an outfielder, not an infielder, and he swings lefty, not righty. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KWA1PMPO
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 10, 2013 12:36:05 GMT -5
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Post by donk on Feb 10, 2013 17:33:53 GMT -5
[ Don -- you even made sure we knew you were buddies with Tim's father....but I guess he got wise to you, too and he now has nothing to do with you...
Rog -- We still email occasionally, but not nearly as often as used to. Remember, two different time IIRC you disagreed when I said that Tim began to throw his change up in 2007. I kind of shut that down (at least I thought so the first time) when I posted an email from Chris that showed he and I discussed Tim's throwing change ups in his very first start at Fresno. dk...the eMail you showed us said he was fooling around with a change...it did not say he was throwing it in a game.....
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Post by donk on Feb 10, 2013 17:36:59 GMT -5
[ If Roger does become the 5th outfielder, I think that would be a break for Tony Abreu, who bats right-handed while Kieschnick is a lefty swinger. Roger does have pop, having smacked for 1.74 bases per hit, but his high strikeout rate of more than one K per four at bats has limited his batting average to .276. That and his low walk rate have put him at only a .329 OBP.
dk...Abreau is listed as a switch hitter....
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Post by Islandboagie on Feb 10, 2013 21:11:11 GMT -5
Boagie -- When I say a little pop I mean someone who can hit 5-10 homeruns in a backup role.
Rog -- Remember, we're talking about the sixth infielder here. Barring a plethora of injuries, a sixth infielder who could hit 5-10 homers as a backup would have more than a little pop -- especially at the 10 homer level.
Boagie- Obviously if a backup infielder hit 5-10 homeruns he would be considered more likely the 5th infielder. Last year Pill hit 4 homeruns in 105 at-bats. If he had been a backup all year he would have likely hit close to 10 homeruns. That's the kind of power numbers I'd like to see...not that it would happen, but it would be nice.
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 11, 2013 1:17:02 GMT -5
Rog -- We still email occasionally, but not nearly as often as used to. Remember, two different time IIRC you disagreed when I said that Tim began to throw his change up in 2007. I kind of shut that down (at least I thought so the first time) when I posted an email from Chris that showed he and I discussed Tim's throwing change ups in his very first start at Fresno. dk...the eMail you showed us said he was fooling around with a change...it did not say he was throwing it in a game..... Rog -- OK, Don. Here it is -- for the THIRD TIME. This was Chris's response to my review of Tim's Fresno debut: Thanks Rog He said nobody really hit the ball hard.He was quite pleased..Fastball and change-up mostly..Only about 13 curves(his best pitch).He said his change was nasty and the fastball was causing them to be late. Did you catch that "Fastball and change-up mostly" part? I just can't understand why you continue to write (many) things that just aren't true. When I ask you to show where I said something you wrote, you very rarely do. And when you do so, it's virtually always just a difference in our interpretations. Whereas, here -- for the third time -- I showed that what I said was correct, even though you continue to post mis-information. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#8696#ixzz2KZGS1Afx
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 11, 2013 1:20:40 GMT -5
[ If Roger does become the 5th outfielder, I think that would be a break for Tony Abreu, who bats right-handed while Kieschnick is a lefty swinger. Roger does have pop, having smacked for 1.74 bases per hit, but his high strikeout rate of more than one K per four at bats has limited his batting average to .276. That and his low walk rate have put him at only a .329 OBP. dk...Abreau is listed as a switch hitter... Rog -- Good correction, Don. That augurs even better for Tony. I still like Tanaka's chances -- if he's close to fully healthy. By the way, you'll be seeing a little spring training, won't you, Boagie? Please fill us in. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#ixzz2KZK1MCVB
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 11, 2013 12:14:40 GMT -5
In looking through a couple of emails from Chris Lincecum, I came across another pitcher for whom he predicted arm trouble. You may remember that on KNBR, Chris predicted arm trouble for Stephen Strasburg, and later that very same week Strasburg went on the DL and underwent Tommy John surgery.
Via email, Chris predicted in April of 2007 that Daisuke Matsuzaka would have arm trouble. Matsuzaka did indeed suffer serious arm problems and has pitched only 668 innings over six years. Since the end of the 2008 season, he has pitched fewer than 300 innings, including just 83 over the past two seasons.
On the one hand, pitchers get injured a lot. Predicting they will go down will often happen, given enough time. But Strasburg and Matsuzaka were two very profile cases. The former broke down within a week, and the latter within two seasons.
Chris also believed that the pitcher most like Tim was Felix Hernandez. Notice that both pitchers have been consistent 200-inning guys, although Tim broke a string of four straight seasons with 186 frames.
But in 7+ seasons, King Felix has thrown over 1600 innings, while The Freak has added over 1200 frames in 5+ seasons. Since his partial-season rookie year, Felix has never pitched fewer than 190 innings, and Tim had never fallen below 200 in any full season prior to 2012.
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Post by donk on Feb 11, 2013 13:03:08 GMT -5
and Tim has had two straight below par and terrible seasons....and King Felix'x big contract is on hold because he is having arm trouble.......and try finding the eMail that said Tim was fooling around with a change...just like every Giant reporter had indicated....
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 12, 2013 17:31:03 GMT -5
Don -- and Tim has had two straight below par and terrible seasons.... Rog -- If a 2.74 ERA, a 7.3 hit rate, more than a strikeout per inning, and a 2.6 K/BB ratio is below par, I would have to agree with you. Don -- and King Felix'x big contract is on hold because he is having arm trouble....... Rog -- Felix's motion must be pretty, shall we day, innings-friendly. He pitched what some would consider to be too many innings as a young age, and he continues to pitch 200 or more innings, season after season. Apparently he does have some elbow issues, but the Mariners just added 5/$135 to his existing 2/$40 contract, so they don't appear to be all that worried. It does appear they are going to include language about a specific elbow situation. To have wear and tear on the pitching arm is the rule moreso than the exception though. A couple of winters ago the Giants extended Matt Cain for only one more season instead of two because they were worried about some foreign matters in his elbow. But Matt continues to be the horse that Felix also is. Don -- and try finding the eMail that said Tim was fooling around with a change...just like every Giant reporter had indicated.... Rog -- What is wrong with you on this one, Don? Not once, not twice but THREE times I have shown you the early April, 2007 email in which Chris mentioned that Tim told him he threw almost all fastballs and change ups in his first Fresno start. I was there, and charted every pitch. I was sitting right over the umpire's right shoulder and in the 2nd row. You know how Tim's change up comes in in the low-to-mid 80's, and his curve comes in in the high 70's? Even if I COULDN'T see the break on the ball from right behind the plate, I could tell the pitch he threw by its speed. If there indeed WAS an email from Chris about Tim's simply fooling around with a change up, it had to have been referring to 2006 or perhaps the winter of 2006/2007 BEFORE the 2007 season. I'm nearly 100% sure I posted here at the time about the pitches Tim threw at Fresno. If I told Chris I was really impressed by Tim's change up then, why WOULDN'T I have posted about it here? I know for sure that I posted here after Tim's first major league start that Bengie should have called more curves and change ups. IIRC, Tim threw exactly 100 pitches, and only 15 of them were secondary pitches. Looking it up, Tim DID throw exactly 100 pitches that day. I was going to guess that 55 (his uniform number) of them were strikes; actually it was 53. You complained that I was saying that I didn't know Tim's pitches as well as Bengie did (which in Tim's first start is quite questionable, since I had seen Tim pitch a lot more than Bengie had), but you never said that Tim didn't throw a change up. It's really tough to communicate with you, Don, when you often argue against the facts. This is clearly another example where that is the case. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#8706#ixzz2KityDH64
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 12, 2013 17:33:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure of this, of course, and I suspect that Dick Tidrow may be the lone exception, but as far as I know, no one aside from Tim himself saw more of Tim's minor league career than I.
Why in the world would someone say I didn't know what pitches Tim threw when he came up? As nearly as I can tell, it would be simply to be obnoxious.
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Post by donk on Feb 13, 2013 0:38:48 GMT -5
I wasn't the one that started that conversation, but I rrepeasted what everyone, including Tim's father said about his pitches.....at this point in time, I don't remember when it was that you were talking about his change and Tim's father said he was playing around with that pitch...which means he was PROBABLY throwing it in the pen.....and in giving Tim's stats you sure didn't show he was the owner of the highest ERA of all starters in the NL in 2012 and he did have a losing record in 2011.....
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Post by sharksrog on Feb 13, 2013 10:06:22 GMT -5
Don -- at this point in time, I don't remember when it was that you were talking about his change and Tim's father said he was playing around with that pitch... Rog -- If I did write that, it would have had to be before the 2007 PCL season started. Three times I have shown you that Chris and I talked about Tim's change up and that according to Chris, Tim himself said that he threw mostly fastballs and change ups, throwing only about 13 curves. Shall we stop this ridiculous discussion? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1441&page=1#8850#ixzz2Kn9dOATg
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