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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 6, 2024 9:53:44 GMT -5
1-this team has more talent than any Giant team in the last 4 years
2-team strikeouts are down, and not by just a little. 3-there is a new, refreshing attitude among our players. It's visible. Maybe ya'all don't see it but, ME, normally Mr. Glass 1/2 Empty, sure does!
4-I have watched Lee, Chapman and Estrada, in particular, BUST THEIR FANNIES down the line on ground balls. I'm sure there are others, but those are the 3 who stand out.
5-Our defense is WAY better.
6-We've ONLY played 8 games! That is NOT enough time to for the team to figure out what kind of team they are, much less we fans!
7-We have all watched the Giants for years... many of us for 4 or 5 decades! We should know by now that the roster in the first month will NOT be the same roster we carry in the 2nd and subsequent months. We need to show more patience.
8-So far we have seen outstanding games thrown by Hicks (2), Winn (1) and Webb (1 of 2) Help is on the way.
9-Our bullpen, like MOST BULLPENS in the league, is a work in progress.
10-We put the ball in play a TON more than last 4 years.
11-Bobby is in charge... you know, the THREE time manager of the year, NOT NO CLUE Gabe.
There are opinions out here that he pulls the strings as dictated by the front office... but it's too early to make that statement.
Was he influenced to keep Ahmed and Yaz and NOT Luciano and Matos?
Sure. Very likely. We might have been, too, had we been in their shoes.
But there MUST be give and take between management and the manager.
NOT stupid compromise where people who have NEVER played the game dictate policy and line ups, but give and take.
Now make NO MISTAKE. I despise Farhan almost as much as I despise the Dodgers.
But until proven otherwise, I'm behind Melvin and what he's done.
12-And finally, IF...IF by the end of May... Middle of June things haven't changed... IF we aren't winning...IF our play is lackadaisical and Luciano and Matos are NOT on the team because others have played their way off (Ahmed, just to name one) THEN I'll agree with ya'all that nothing has changed. That that idiot Farhan is pulling the puppet strings.
But to make sweeping evaluations after only 8 games??
Sorry, but that's nuts.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 6, 2024 10:19:59 GMT -5
Boly- 8-So far we have seen outstanding games thrown by Hicks (2), Winn (1) and Webb (1 of 2) Help is on the way.
Boagie- I would not categorize Webb's first start or Winn's start as "outstanding."
Hicks? yes, he's been very good both his starts.
The best start outside of Hicks' two starts was probably Harrison's first start.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 6, 2024 10:51:45 GMT -5
Boly- 11-Bobby is in charge... you know, the THREE time manager of the year, NOT NO CLUE Gabe.
Boagie- I would take Melvin over Kapler by a wide margin, but I'd take Bochy over Melvin, and the margin there is even wider.
"Manager of the year" award doesn't mean much to me, Bochy only has one, Melvin has 3. Melvin has never even been to the World Series. Bochy's been there 5 times and won 4. Bochy should've easily won manager of the year in 2010, 2014 and last season.
I'm still on the fence with Melvin, but so far his in-game managing and his lineups (if he has control of that) has me favoring the not good side of the fence.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 6, 2024 16:02:17 GMT -5
With the way Zaidi composes a team it makes it hard to evaluate, even Bochy had problems with a Zaidi team. I’m not sure where to evaluate Melvin but I think Boagie is accurate
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 6, 2024 16:29:20 GMT -5
Boly- 8-So far we have seen outstanding games thrown by Hicks (2), Winn (1) and Webb (1 of 2) Help is on the way. Boagie- I would not categorize Webb's first start or Winn's start as "outstanding." Hicks? yes, he's been very good both his starts. The best start outside of Hicks' two starts was probably Harrison's first start. Wow! Do I see things differently.
Harrison's first start was decent to good, his second really showed his immaturity as a hurler.
As I posted, UNTIL he refines his change up, he's going to give up a ton of HRs.
Which he is doing.
I was IMPRESSED with Hicks' first start and even more so with his second.
Winn looked more than solid in his first start.
Webb, once again, REFUSED to work all parts of the strike zone and STUNK up the lot in his second start.
You simply CANNOT pitch LH hitters DOWN in the zone and expect to win. Not with their bats.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 6, 2024 16:29:59 GMT -5
Boly- 11-Bobby is in charge... you know, the THREE time manager of the year, NOT NO CLUE Gabe. Boagie- I would take Melvin over Kapler by a wide margin, but I'd take Bochy over Melvin, and the margin there is even wider. "Manager of the year" award doesn't mean much to me, Bochy only has one, Melvin has 3. Melvin has never even been to the World Series. Bochy's been there 5 times and won 4. Bochy should've easily won manager of the year in 2010, 2014 and last season. I'm still on the fence with Melvin, but so far his in-game managing and his lineups (if he has control of that) has me favoring the not good side of the fence. We would all take Boch. No question.
But we could have done TON worse than Bobby M
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 6, 2024 16:31:08 GMT -5
Boly- 11-Bobby is in charge... you know, the THREE time manager of the year, NOT NO CLUE Gabe. Boagie- I would take Melvin over Kapler by a wide margin, but I'd take Bochy over Melvin, and the margin there is even wider. "Manager of the year" award doesn't mean much to me, Bochy only has one, Melvin has 3. Melvin has never even been to the World Series. Bochy's been there 5 times and won 4. Bochy should've easily won manager of the year in 2010, 2014 and last season. I'm still on the fence with Melvin, but so far his in-game managing and his lineups (if he has control of that) has me favoring the not good side of the fence. Waaaay too early to decide which side of the fence we are on.
8 games...
As I suggested, let's give him until the end of may, early june.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 6, 2024 20:15:28 GMT -5
Let me be as transparent as I can about my thoughts on Melvin, so you don't misunderstand my stance...I'm only "on the fence" with Melvin because I want to see the Giants do good. The fact is, Melvin has been around for 20 years, I already know who Melvin is. When the Giants announced Melvin was the manager I was very dissapointed with the pick. I think I would have had about the same feeling getting Kapler back for another year, and I was definitely not a fan of Kapler. The only optimism I have is because Williams and Burrell joined the coaching staff. Melvin's only real saving grace with me is that he once donned a Giants uniform as a player, so I believe it's our duty to support him.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 6, 2024 20:48:45 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Wotus was our first choice, Melvin was Plan B, then there were Kai Correa, Vogt, Hallberg, etc. Wotus is too old school for Zaidi's taste so he just got an interview for the sake of it. The others were either too inexperienced, too analytic and others committed to other teams (Venable, Espada). There were a couple other candidates who were brought up in the Dodger system. The inexperienced ones like Vogt would have merely been a mouthpiece for Zaidi. They could have done better, they could have done a lot worse.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 7, 2024 1:07:38 GMT -5
Besides reconciling with Bochy, my first choice was Posey. I knew it was a long shot, but I was still hoping someone would talk him into it. I was lead to believe Posey had a fair amount of say there, but the way they treated Crawford I now question that.
Wotus would've been my second pick, but I was a little skeptical of him because I felt he's been around too long and it seems like he's adopted the Farhan way. But in the end I feel he's put in the time and deserved the chance.
Outside of those three, I really didn't see any applicants to be excited about.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 7, 2024 11:46:55 GMT -5
Bochy would not have come back with Zaidi around.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 7, 2024 15:24:20 GMT -5
And who could blame him!
I suspect that everything FZ stands for runs contrary to what Bochy, a guy who actually PLAYED the game, believes in.
I also suspect that like Kapler and others of his ilk, see Bochy as over the hill. A guy with outdated ideas and ideologies.
Oh... wait a sec... he just won ANOTHER world series!
So much for over the hill!
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Post by reedonly on Apr 7, 2024 18:00:37 GMT -5
If I spent decades doing in my way like Bochy and having success with it, there would be no way I would do it Zaidi's way, especially if everything I had to do had to get signed off by a couple dozen stats geeks or if my clubhouse was taken over by CPUs and servers. I would rather do it my way elsewhere or retire than to come back to work under Zaidi. No possible chance of reconcilitation as long as FZ is there.
Buster would have been an extremely long shot because he was tired of travelling with the team. Unless you are Boly, travelling by air sucks.
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 7, 2024 18:21:23 GMT -5
Like I've said before, I don't know the relationship between GM and manager. Especially Farhan and Bochy, because it didn't last long. But if I were to put money on it, I'd guess Baer was more the reason Sabean and Bochy were pushed out. The Giants wanted to go with a more modern image of sabremetrics, taking knees and all that garbage. They thought it would play well in San Francisco. I believe Farhan basically stayed out of Bochy's way during Bochy's final year.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 7, 2024 18:43:17 GMT -5
Like I've said before, I don't know the relationship between GM and manager. Especially Farhan and Bochy, because it didn't last long. But if I were to put money on it, I'd guess Baer was more the reason Sabean and Bochy were pushed out. The Giants wanted to go with a more modern image of sabremetrics, taking knees and all that garbage. They thought it would play well in San Francisco. I believe Farhan basically stayed out of Bochy's way during Bochy's final year. I believe there was actually no relationship between the two but the physical presence of the analytic team is really intrusive. The computers have taken up the area where Murph's office used to be, and where the team used to hang out and store equipment. If my stuff was moved to make way for Zaidi's stuff, I could see the writing on the wall. Its like coming back home from college and your bedroom has your younger brother's stuff and your stuff is in the closet somewhere. Not a word needs to be said but the intent is clear. Notice the team uses the dugout for press conferences now because the computers took over what used to be the clubhouse and the press area. Zaidi and Baer were careful not to tell Bochy to leave but they made Bochy feel as unwelcome as possible.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 8, 2024 8:25:23 GMT -5
If I spent decades doing in my way like Bochy and having success with it, there would be no way I would do it Zaidi's way, especially if everything I had to do had to get signed off by a couple dozen stats geeks or if my clubhouse was taken over by CPUs and servers. I would rather do it my way elsewhere or retire than to come back to work under Zaidi. No possible chance of reconcilitation as long as FZ is there. Buster would have been an extremely long shot because he was tired of travelling with the team. Unless you are Boly, travelling by air sucks. Extremely well said, Reed! But I don't know why you think.I like traveling by air because I do not We take 2 cruises a year and from where I live.It's only a one hour flight from the boise airport to seattle Where we catch the princess ship to alaska I think you and I are old enough to remember when flying used to be fun For me that stopped around 1980. And after 9:11 just got worse.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 8, 2024 8:27:19 GMT -5
Normally I do not believe in burning bridges behind me
But I will be honest, If I was bochy, I would have had a few choice words to say to f.Z and management before I left
And considering the 3 Championships he won he had every right to speak his mind.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 8, 2024 14:23:52 GMT -5
Normally I do not believe in burning bridges behind me But I will be honest, If I was bochy, I would have had a few choice words to say to f.Z and management before I left And considering the 3 Championships he won he had every right to speak his mind. I had a chance to burn bridges behind me when I retired but it would bother me a lot if I acted like that. I could have even reported a lot I saw to compliance but the minute I left, it was no longer my concern.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 8, 2024 14:24:58 GMT -5
I know a guy who used to make business trips for a living. He gained 30 pounds and had dangerously bad blood pressure, cholesterol, and so forth. Almost lost him. After he quit business trips, he got healthy. The rich food, time changes, and airport stress are killers. Major trip is as hazardous as some life changing events. I cannot blame Buster for not wanting to deal with the travel.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 8, 2024 16:32:30 GMT -5
Normally I do not believe in burning bridges behind me But I will be honest, If I was bochy, I would have had a few choice words to say to f.Z and management before I left And considering the 3 Championships he won he had every right to speak his mind. I had a chance to burn bridges behind me when I retired but it would bother me a lot if I acted like that. I could have even reported a lot I saw to compliance but the minute I left, it was no longer my concern. 99% of the time I would follow suite, Reed, but this is one of those cases where I would not have.
I would NEVER have said a thing to the media, but to the people in charge? Farhan and the other idiots? I would have.
Couldn't have lived with myself if I failed to do so.
And Bochy winning last year with a team that had NO BUSINESS winning...AGAIN, he's got an I TOLD YOU SO that he can keep close to his heart forever!
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 8, 2024 16:35:23 GMT -5
I know a guy who used to make business trips for a living. He gained 30 pounds and had dangerously bad blood pressure, cholesterol, and so forth. Almost lost him. After he quit business trips, he got healthy. The rich food, time changes, and airport stress are killers. Major trip is as hazardous as some life changing events. I cannot blame Buster for not wanting to deal with the travel. Me neither. Players, at least, travel on the team plane and NOT with normal flying customers.
Dealing with those people is the killer and raises the stress level.
Especially today with united laying off pilots for NOT having enough work for them, and all the delays!
Sheesh!
We're off on a cruise on May 10th. We fly to Anchorage and catch the train down to Whittier, Alaska for the actual departure.
I'm already concerned about flight delays and we're going a day early!
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Post by reedonly on Apr 9, 2024 14:55:05 GMT -5
I had a chance to burn bridges behind me when I retired but it would bother me a lot if I acted like that. I could have even reported a lot I saw to compliance but the minute I left, it was no longer my concern. 99% of the time I would follow suite, Reed, but this is one of those cases where I would not have.
I would NEVER have said a thing to the media, but to the people in charge? Farhan and the other idiots? I would have.
Couldn't have lived with myself if I failed to do so.
And Bochy winning last year with a team that had NO BUSINESS winning...AGAIN, he's got an I TOLD YOU SO that he can keep close to his heart forever!I felt Bochy would not tell the Giants' management off because Bochy, unlike Zaidi and Baer, has class.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 9, 2024 14:56:53 GMT -5
Me neither. Players, at least, travel on the team plane and NOT with normal flying customers.
Dealing with those people is the killer and raises the stress level.
Especially today with united laying off pilots for NOT having enough work for them, and all the delays!
Sheesh!
We're off on a cruise on May 10th. We fly to Anchorage and catch the train down to Whittier, Alaska for the actual departure.
I'm already concerned about flight delays and we're going a day early! I realize baseball players are not really exposed to the public at airports and planes but the stress of travel on the body cannot be underestimated.
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Post by reedonly on Apr 9, 2024 15:00:48 GMT -5
Boly: I think you and I are old enough to remember when flying used to be fun
When we flew to Asia last year, the Asian run airlines felt a lot like flying in a plane in the 80s. Had legroom, courteous attendants, and adequate restrooms. American run airlines just cram as many people in as possible, overbooking, and F--- the passengers.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 9, 2024 15:25:44 GMT -5
Yep! You pretty much summed up US airlines and US passengers!
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Post by pachyderm on Apr 9, 2024 18:28:02 GMT -5
We're still horrible.
We need to learn to win without Bochy.
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 9, 2024 23:13:31 GMT -5
I finally agree with you.
It's not a case of learning to win without Bruce.It's a case of learning to play smart baseball
Let's review how many times if we had runners picked off?
Tonight we had a runner picked off and the ball got stuck and wade's glove
I've seen more stupid baseball out of this team in twelve games Then I saw the entire month of september last year
There is too much of that kind of crap happening and there's no excuse for it
These clowns are supposed to be major leagues
In twelve games they've mostly looked like little leaguers.
I expect better we all should
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Post by reedonly on Apr 10, 2024 9:41:29 GMT -5
Washington is not one of the better teams in the league but they are improved over last year. They are like the Diamondbacks with their speed and pressure on the basepaths. The 90 feet mistakes are on the players.
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Post by pachyderm on Apr 12, 2024 14:33:59 GMT -5
We are not a good team.
The Rogers Twins aren't good. Wade isn't good. etc etc
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 12, 2024 15:13:44 GMT -5
I'll give you the Rogers Twins, Pachy, but Wade?
I asked you in another thread. What's your logic here?
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