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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 8, 2022 19:36:25 GMT -5
With your ability to sign players just a couple of days away, I thought I'd write and try to influence your moves before you do something stupid.
1-Unless Joc is going to be the DH, we don't need him. He's Pat Burrell in the OF, and we don't need that.
2-Go get a CF. We can likely live with a platoon of either Yaz and Slater, or Wade and Slater in RF
3-Trade Gonzalez. He's not going to hit for power, and he's a defensive question mark in spite of his speed.
4-Don't resign Belt. The chance that his knee just won't hold up is way too great.
5-Don't go out and sign a 2B IN SPITE of Estrada's metrics. He's still learning the position, turns the DP exceptionally well, is fast and has excellent range.
6-DON'T pursue Rodon. Too expensive. There are other very good options.
7-Sign a SS. Crawford is one of my all time favorites, but he's too slow and he's not the hitter he was in 2021. I'd prefer Turner, but his defense is just average.
8-Sign DeGrom if at all possible.
9-Move La Stella for ANYTHING
10-Let Longoria walk. I'd rather have the kid and Crawford playing over there.
11-DON'T pursue high end relievers. You've got some good pieces in place like Shelby, Waits and THE BIG GUY.
12-Stop trolling the sewers for "hidden" talent. It AIN'T there.
13-Don't sit around and wait to see what's what.
14-Don't do anything stupid! Yeah. Like that's going to stop you.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 8, 2022 21:19:05 GMT -5
BOly: 1-Unless Joc is going to be the DH, we don't need him. He's Pat Burrell in the OF, and we don't need that.
I think the plan will be to try to work out a two year extension and failing that, give him a qualifying offer. it is an over pay but FZ wants the draft pick if he doesn't sign. Rodon will also get the qualifying offer which he will decline. FZ also wants the slot pool sp that they will have the ability to sign better players.
If they fail to sign Joc, whenthegiantscometotown thinks Joey Gallo on a pillow contract is Plan B.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 8, 2022 21:23:22 GMT -5
Boly: 11-DON'T pursue high end relievers. You've got some good pieces in place like Shelby, Waits and THE BIG GUY.
I would look for two guys who can bridge to Doval but are capable of closing.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 9, 2022 9:13:18 GMT -5
BOly: 1-Unless Joc is going to be the DH, we don't need him. He's Pat Burrell in the OF, and we don't need that. I think the plan will be to try to work out a two year extension and failing that, give him a qualifying offer. it is an over pay but FZ wants the draft pick if he doesn't sign. Rodon will also get the qualifying offer which he will decline. FZ also wants the slot pool sp that they will have the ability to sign better players. If they fail to sign Joc, whenthegiantscometotown thinks Joey Gallo on a pillow contract is Plan B. I am not a big fan of Joey gallo, and I really hope that's not the plan.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 11, 2022 12:35:40 GMT -5
Joc got the QO
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 11, 2022 16:49:13 GMT -5
I saw that. Makes sense to do it so we get a draft pick back...IF someone signs him.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 12, 2022 17:45:45 GMT -5
They want the slot and the compensatory pick so much that they are willing to risk overpaying Joc. After being so aggressive in the international market last season, the Giants are ranked last in available slot money so they need to recover some of that. Also, power from the left side is rare this off season and he is the best lefthanded hitter on the market so supply and demand dictates an overpay. Of note, Joc was seen at the Warriors game the other night and Krukow says that's a sign that he's saying he's out there and wants to come back. Payroll is at $70 million right now so the qualifying offer to Joc should not prevent the Giants from making other moves. The $19.6 million from the qualifying offer is probably more than he could get from any average annual value on a multi-year deal so I think he accepts.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 15, 2022 11:23:23 GMT -5
Boly: 10-Let Longoria walk.
Longoria posted on social media something to the effect of "Thanks for a good five years" so I guess he feels he's gone. They are probably stocked at 3B with Villar, Davis, Schmitt available and Flores in a pinch. Krukow feels that Davis has a bad rap on defense and that our coaches can fix him.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 15, 2022 23:38:20 GMT -5
I view this is good news.
We don't need to be hanging on to any people art really not as athletic as we need, and our way up in years.
Not sure if David Villar is the answer over there, but it does look like you can hit, and I guess we'll see about davis.
I watch Davis it a lot, and his Bat looks slow to me.
Then again, I've been wrong a lot about these kinds of things.
We just need to sign some really good hitters, and one started to go along with Webb
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Post by reedonly on Nov 16, 2022 9:53:26 GMT -5
Not sure if David Villar is the answer over there, but it does look like you can hit, and I guess we'll see about davis.
Villar was PCL MVP and PCL All Star third baseman so he should be at least adequate.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 16, 2022 11:14:25 GMT -5
Not sure if David Villar is the answer over there, but it does look like you can hit, and I guess we'll see about davis. Villar was PCL MVP and PCL All Star third baseman so he should be at least adequate. And I agree, Reed.
But I'd like to see him do it over the course of a season, or at least 1/2 a season.
It's his defense that concerns me.
What I saw last year was... well, iffy, at best.
And THAT is not good enough for a 3B man.
I will say one thing; He's better over there than Jim Ray Hart was!
But if he hits like Jimmy, the Jimmy prior to his drinking problems, we can live with that.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 16, 2022 11:17:18 GMT -5
They want the slot and the compensatory pick so much that they are willing to risk overpaying Joc. After being so aggressive in the international market last season, the Giants are ranked last in available slot money so they need to recover some of that. Also, power from the left side is rare this off season and he is the best lefthanded hitter on the market so supply and demand dictates an overpay. Of note, Joc was seen at the Warriors game the other night and Krukow says that's a sign that he's saying he's out there and wants to come back. Payroll is at $70 million right now so the qualifying offer to Joc should not prevent the Giants from making other moves. The $19.6 million from the qualifying offer is probably more than he could get from any average annual value on a multi-year deal so I think he accepts. Joc signing is not getting younger and more athletic but Kuiper pointed out this morning that the Giants never said anything about having to get "younger and more athletic" at the DH position.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 16, 2022 11:37:29 GMT -5
Boly: I view this is good news.
We don't need to be hanging on to any people art really not as athletic as we need, and our way up in years.
When his finger gets better, Longoria can now spend all the time he wants to on the Monterey golf courses and not have to worry about getting into playing condition. I'm still angered that he screwed around for several months last year before deciding he needed to get his finger worked on and that he seemed to never have bought into being a Giant the way Hunter Pence did. We can only blame so much on him being older but looking at the pattern of last season's finger injury, I don't believe he even picked up a bat for a few months. Earlier in his career, he was a generational talent, possibly a Hall of Fame type but I think he squandered it.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 17, 2022 11:37:36 GMT -5
I view this is good news. We don't need to be hanging on to any people art really not as athletic as we need, and our way up in years. Not sure if David Villar is the answer over there, but it does look like you can hit, and I guess we'll see about davis. I watch Davis it a lot, and his Bat looks slow to me. Then again, I've been wrong a lot about these kinds of things. We just need to sign some really good hitters, and one started to go along with Webb With all the 3rd basemen candidates, there was no room for Vosler and so he was DFA'd. I think being on the San Francisco-Sacramento shuttle the past two years may have kept him from getting a fair shake but once they traded for Davis, Vosler became expendable. Jarlin Garcia was also DFA'd because they did not want to deal with him in arbitration.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 17, 2022 11:45:51 GMT -5
I view this is good news. We don't need to be hanging on to any people art really not as athletic as we need, and our way up in years. Not sure if David Villar is the answer over there, but it does look like you can hit, and I guess we'll see about davis. I watch Davis it a lot, and his Bat looks slow to me. Then again, I've been wrong a lot about these kinds of things. We just need to sign some really good hitters, and one started to go along with Webb With all the 3rd basemen candidates, there was no room for Vosler and so he was DFA'd. I think being on the San Francisco-Sacramento shuttle the past two years may have kept him from getting a fair shake but once they traded for Davis, Vosler became expendable. Jarlin Garcia was also DFA'd because they did not want to deal with him in arbitration. Vosler was 29 so that doesn't surprise me at all.
At that age, he should have either made a solid impression by now. So even though he had some "moments" with us, he was too old, IMHO, to build around, or to be a building piece around others.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 18, 2022 11:31:13 GMT -5
I guess they used Vosler in multiple defensive positions as a way to give him some value but he was not up for it. I'm hearing that LaStella will be forced to be that kind of a multi-positional player if he wants to stick but the guy could barely play in the field in 2022. He's probably going to be cut loose at some point. Wisely, who they just obtained, is a similar kind of player.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 18, 2022 16:28:40 GMT -5
Boly: 5-Don't go out and sign a 2B IN SPITE of Estrada's metrics. He's still learning the position, turns the DP exceptionally well, is fast and has excellent range.
This might be Wisely.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 19, 2022 9:42:56 GMT -5
I know nothing about the kid, but I do know Estrada showed a tremendous ability to come through in the clutch at the plate.
We have to find a way to keep himIn the lineup, regardless of where he plays
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Post by reedonly on Nov 19, 2022 11:31:56 GMT -5
Wisely is multi positional and has hit at every level. I think he is seen as a replacement for LaStella, not Estrada.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 19, 2022 16:27:12 GMT -5
Vosler had an .812 OPS, he should've had more playing time.
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Post by reedonly on Nov 19, 2022 17:36:23 GMT -5
Vosler had an .812 OPS, he should've had more playing time. Vosler was superior to La Stella, Padlo, Walton and even had higher OPS than Longoria and Villar. Vosler was definitely better than all of the guys on the churn, so yes, I think he got the shaft.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 19, 2022 21:00:58 GMT -5
Kapler.
Kapler
Kapler.
Organizing I'm guessing his metrics at the minor league level didn't look good, so Gabe Kepler saw him it's just a feeling kind of a guy.
He doesn't believe in the eye test, which makes him part of theRog-school-of -thinking.
The eyes don't matter, only numbers
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Post by reedonly on Nov 20, 2022 1:43:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they were looking at. OPS is one of the things sabermetricians look at. Vosler was better statistically and visually than most of those rejects so I really don't get it unless they think having both Villar and Vosler around made one of them redundant.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 5, 2022 11:30:19 GMT -5
Boly: 13-Don't sit around and wait to see what's what.
I'm reading where the Giants seem to be in on most of the major name FAs. They appear to be more aggressive than they have been in the past. Let's see how this shakes out.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 5, 2022 21:38:50 GMT -5
I understand that, but yesterday the Rangers made a couple of dramatic moves, and we did nothing. Jacob DE Grahm was the picture I wanted.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 6, 2022 11:18:11 GMT -5
Krukow was discussing the DeGrom signing this morning and said five years for a 35 year old guy who has pitched less than 150 innings over the past two years is risky. I'm hearing Rodon is now looking for a SIX year deal.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 6, 2022 12:42:13 GMT -5
Krukow was discussing the DeGrom signing this morning and said five years for a 35 year old guy who has pitched less than 150 innings over the past two years is risky. I'm hearing Rodon is now looking for a SIX year deal. Normally, I wouild agree; a 35 year old guy might not be worth that.
I would counter with Verlander, Hill and Wainwright.
Plus, with his surgically repaired arm, he didn't pitch for a while, meaning he has one less year of wear and tear on that arm.
But my point remains the same; we keep 'hearing' stuff... like we've always heard from and about the Giants front office... and nothing has happened... again.
Every year under Farhan is the same; he waits and waits and waits and waits... and he waits too long.
If we're going to sign a SS, DO IT already!
Personally, I just can't see Crawford agreeing to move to 3B. And if he did, I'd want a platoon of him and Villar, at least until Villar proves he can't do the job.
As my father was wont to say when he was alive: "S_ _ _ or get off the pot!"
Farhan, that means you!
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Post by reedonly on Dec 6, 2022 16:11:36 GMT -5
Krukow was discussing the DeGrom signing this morning and said five years for a 35 year old guy who has pitched less than 150 innings over the past two years is risky. I'm hearing Rodon is now looking for a SIX year deal. Normally, I wouild agree; a 35 year old guy might not be worth that.
I would counter with Verlander, Hill and Wainwright.
Plus, with his surgically repaired arm, he didn't pitch for a while, meaning he has one less year of wear and tear on that arm.
But my point remains the same; we keep 'hearing' stuff... like we've always heard from and about the Giants front office... and nothing has happened... again.
Every year under Farhan is the same; he waits and waits and waits and waits... and he waits too long.
If we're going to sign a SS, DO IT already!
Personally, I just can't see Crawford agreeing to move to 3B. And if he did, I'd want a platoon of him and Villar, at least until Villar proves he can't do the job.
As my father was wont to say when he was alive: "S_ _ _ or get off the pot!"
Farhan, that means you!Another thing is that if you get mad at the Giants for missing out, at least have some consolation that they did not go to NL West opponents. Trea Turner was being chased pretty aggressively by the Padres (supposedly, it was for more money than what he got with Philadelphia and it was over $341 million, Trea left over $40 million on the table) and I believe the Dodgers made a token offer. Verlander was being courted by the Dodgers so I'm glad he went to the Mets instead. What is worrisome is that San Diego might be one of the "mystery teams" in on Judge.
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Post by reedonly on Dec 6, 2022 16:29:46 GMT -5
Boly: As my father was wont to say when he was alive: "S_ _ _ or get off the pot!"
Farhan, that means you!
the offer to Judge is now up to $369 million and supposedly, they're in on Nimmo and Correa, too.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 7, 2022 9:25:26 GMT -5
Normally, I wouild agree; a 35 year old guy might not be worth that.
I would counter with Verlander, Hill and Wainwright.
Plus, with his surgically repaired arm, he didn't pitch for a while, meaning he has one less year of wear and tear on that arm.
But my point remains the same; we keep 'hearing' stuff... like we've always heard from and about the Giants front office... and nothing has happened... again.
Every year under Farhan is the same; he waits and waits and waits and waits... and he waits too long.
If we're going to sign a SS, DO IT already!
Personally, I just can't see Crawford agreeing to move to 3B. And if he did, I'd want a platoon of him and Villar, at least until Villar proves he can't do the job.
As my father was wont to say when he was alive: "S_ _ _ or get off the pot!"
Farhan, that means you! Another thing is that if you get mad at the Giants for missing out, at least have some consolation that they did not go to NL West opponents. Trea Turner was being chased pretty aggressively by the Padres (supposedly, it was for more money than what he got with Philadelphia and it was over $341 million, Trea left over $40 million on the table) and I believe the Dodgers made a token offer. Verlander was being courted by the Dodgers so I'm glad he went to the Mets instead. What is worrisome is that San Diego might be one of the "mystery teams" in on Judge. In that respect, I am pleased. But that we haven't made a bigger impact still concerns me
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