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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 2, 2022 13:56:12 GMT -5
I have this bad, bad feeling that a lot of Giant fans are going to be TICKED come the 3:00 deadline.
And I mean seriously ticked!
I know I will be if we come away with nothing!
Rodon, Pederson and Flores SHOULD be moved, as well as Ruf.
We must MUST get more athletic, or soon, we'll be cellar-dwellers for years to come.
Why can't Farhan see that?
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Post by reedonly on Aug 2, 2022 15:39:01 GMT -5
Well, they got rid of Ruf to the Mets for JD Davis and prospects Thomas Szapucki, Nick Zwack and Carson Seymour
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Post by reedonly on Aug 2, 2022 15:42:57 GMT -5
Curt Casali to Seattle for a AA relief pitcher.
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Post by reedonly on Aug 2, 2022 15:57:59 GMT -5
Matthew Boyd traded, also.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 2, 2022 16:14:40 GMT -5
Curt Casali to Seattle for a AA relief pitcher. But still nothing on Rodon or Pederson or Flores? Please, say it ain't so, Joe! (He said, quoting from Damned Yankees) I Really like Casali, but I'm honestly glad to see them keep Winns over him. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 2, 2022 16:14:55 GMT -5
Matthew Boyd traded, also. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 2, 2022 16:18:57 GMT -5
Well, they got rid of Ruf to the Mets for JD Davis and prospects Thomas Szapucki, Nick Zwack and Carson Seymour
Like I said, probably the best we could do.
But I can't find a thing on Seymour or Zwack; where do they play? Or are they pirchers? |
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Post by reedonly on Aug 2, 2022 17:28:03 GMT -5
No Rodon or Joc trade
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Post by holiday613 on Aug 2, 2022 17:43:36 GMT -5
Im done with this damn team
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 2, 2022 18:46:38 GMT -5
Im done with this damn team
both guys walk... and we're stuck with:
1-Egg on our face
2-A Massive enema
3-On the outside, in the cellar next year, and looking up for years to come.
What an absolute JACKASS!
Any move was better than NO move for crying out loud! |
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Post by reedonly on Aug 3, 2022 9:34:30 GMT -5
Matthew Boyd traded, also. Got Andy Thomas, a High A catcher. |
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Post by reedonly on Aug 3, 2022 10:32:04 GMT -5
I just added the information from Metsminors.net. The Ruf trade looks like a good trade to re-stock the pitching depth. On another thread, you were asking why they would get rid of Rosenthal when they needed relievers. Szapucki might be a short term solution and the other two look promising. Also, Casali was traded for another pitcher. Farhan overall had a bad day yesterday, but this trade looks good.
Szapucki, 26, was once a highly regarded Mets prospect, but his stock has taken a hit due to injuries. His calling card is his fastball/curveball combination with he uses to rack to the strikeouts.
He struggled in his two Major League appearances. With Triple-A Syracuse this season, he was 2-6 with a 3.38 ERA, 1.297 WHIP, 4.1 BB/9, and a 12.2 K/9.
Seymour, 23, was the Mets sixth round draft pick out of Kansas State University last year.He has a mid-90s fastball which tops off at 99 MPH, and he combines that with a strong curvy slider.
Between St. Lucie and Brooklyn, he is 5-5 with a 2.76 ERA, 1.090 WHIP, 2.3 BB/9, and a 10.1 K/9.
The final pitcher, Zwack, 24, was the Mets 17th round draft pick out of Xavier University in last year’s draft. While he was not on any top 30 prospect rankings to begin the year, he was definitively going to be on them on the strength of this season.
Zwack had been the breakout pitcher of the Mets system this year. He features a low 90s fastball, low 80s slider, and a change. With his ability to generate spin on these pitches, he gets a lot of swings-and-misses.
Between St. Lucie and Brooklyn, he’s made 15 starts and three relief appearances. He’s 6-2 with a 2.36 ERA, 0.996 WHIP, 2.1 BB/9, and an 11.3 K/9.
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Post by reedonly on Aug 3, 2022 10:44:46 GMT -5
Well, they got rid of Ruf to the Mets for JD Davis and prospects Thomas Szapucki, Nick Zwack and Carson Seymour
Like I said, probably the best we could do.
But I can't find a thing on Seymour or Zwack; where do they play? Or are they pirchers?I see Ruf for Davis as almost even and then they add three pitchers and take Ruf's salary. I'd consider that one good. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 3, 2022 12:01:47 GMT -5
That's what Kuip basically said to BFF in the booth yesterday; JD and Ruf are basically the same player, only JD is 4 or 5 years younger and can play some 3B.
But at what level?
Kris Bryant's level?
No thank you!
I have no problem in moving Ruf and getting what we did for him. That made sense.
But Ruf wasn't making that much money. So now...we're what, pinching pennies?
I go back to what I said in another thread; BFF has never shown any signs of GETTING an impact player in FA, why should believe he'll get one now?
I mean seriously, WHO wants to come where HRs go to die?
Certainly not Judge!
Certainly not Ohtani.
Though this would be a good park for him to pitch in.
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Post by reedonly on Aug 3, 2022 15:22:05 GMT -5
That's what Kuip basically said to BFF in the booth yesterday; JD and Ruf are basically the same player, only JD is 4 or 5 years younger and can play some 3B. But at what level? Kris Bryant's level? No thank you! I have no problem in moving Ruf and getting what we did for him. That made sense. But Ruf wasn't making that much money. So now...we're what, pinching pennies? I go back to what I said in another thread; BFF has never shown any signs of GETTING an impact player in FA, why should believe he'll get one now? I mean seriously, WHO wants to come where HRs go to die? Certainly not Judge! Certainly not Ohtani. Though this would be a good park for him to pitch in. On another thread, you said Ruf's salary was asinine so they got rid of that. As far as athleticism, Ruf=JD and they get a couple more years of team control, less power, but three pitchers, one of which might help the big club (Szapucki) and Zwack has potential. I would have been happy to ship out ruf for a bag of baseballs and to get salary relief and three pitchers made it a good trade. As far as Judge, he grew up in Linden which is about 100 miles east of San Francisco and growing up, he was a fan of the Giants. As such, Judge might show interest. This will make up for drafting Christian Arroyo seven slots ahead of him. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 3, 2022 15:54:59 GMT -5
I just added the information from Metsminors.net. The Ruf trade looks like a good trade to re-stock the pitching depth. On another thread, you were asking why they would get rid of Rosenthal when they needed relievers. Szapucki might be a short term solution and the other two look promising. Also, Casali was traded for another pitcher. Farhan overall had a bad day yesterday, but this trade looks good. Szapucki, 26, was once a highly regarded Mets prospect, but his stock has taken a hit due to injuries. His calling card is his fastball/curveball combination with he uses to rack to the strikeouts.
He struggled in his two Major League appearances. With Triple-A Syracuse this season, he was 2-6 with a 3.38 ERA, 1.297 WHIP, 4.1 BB/9, and a 12.2 K/9.
Seymour, 23, was the Mets sixth round draft pick out of Kansas State University last year.He has a mid-90s fastball which tops off at 99 MPH, and he combines that with a strong curvy slider.
Between St. Lucie and Brooklyn, he is 5-5 with a 2.76 ERA, 1.090 WHIP, 2.3 BB/9, and a 10.1 K/9.
The final pitcher, Zwack, 24, was the Mets 17th round draft pick out of Xavier University in last year’s draft. While he was not on any top 30 prospect rankings to begin the year, he was definitively going to be on them on the strength of this season.
Zwack had been the breakout pitcher of the Mets system this year. He features a low 90s fastball, low 80s slider, and a change. With his ability to generate spin on these pitches, he gets a lot of swings-and-misses.
Between St. Lucie and Brooklyn, he’s made 15 starts and three relief appearances. He’s 6-2 with a 2.36 ERA, 0.996 WHIP, 2.1 BB/9, and an 11.3 K/9.
Though I'm not sure if I'll EVER forgive BFF for what he did, these deals actually look good.
Then again, this is typical BFF. He'll take a flier but he won't go out and get a real guy to try and even the playing field.
It's one thing to "look down the road," but at some point, you have to say, it's time to drive the road we're on! |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 3, 2022 15:57:48 GMT -5
That's what Kuip basically said to BFF in the booth yesterday; JD and Ruf are basically the same player, only JD is 4 or 5 years younger and can play some 3B. But at what level? Kris Bryant's level? No thank you! I have no problem in moving Ruf and getting what we did for him. That made sense. But Ruf wasn't making that much money. So now...we're what, pinching pennies? I go back to what I said in another thread; BFF has never shown any signs of GETTING an impact player in FA, why should believe he'll get one now? I mean seriously, WHO wants to come where HRs go to die? Certainly not Judge! Certainly not Ohtani. Though this would be a good park for him to pitch in. On another thread, you said Ruf's salary was asinine so they got rid of that. As far as athleticism, Ruf=JD and they get a couple more years of team control, less power, but three pitchers, one of which might help the big club (Szapucki) and Zwack sows potential. I would have been happy to ship out ruf for a bag of baseballs and to get salary relief and three pitchers made it a good trade. As far as Judge, he grew up in Linden which is about 100 miles east of San Francisco and growing up, he was a fan of the Giants. As such, Judge might show interest. This will make up for drafting Christian Arroyo seven slots ahead of him.
I understand Judge is from the area, but why in the world would he want to go to a place, where, as I said, Home Runs go to die?
From his perspective, that makes no sense.
Unless, of course he WANTS to play near home. |
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Post by reedonly on Aug 3, 2022 15:59:48 GMT -5
Kawakami said today in the Athletic that the Giants are in a bad position and they might be forced to spend money in free agency. Judge, Trea Turner, Correa, and Contreras are the big targets.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 3, 2022 17:03:51 GMT -5
A very interesting take. From my observations, joy Bart has become a very good defensive catcher and his throwing has really improved.
He also is showing signs that he will be able to hit at this level, which in my opinion, makes Wilson Contreras not needed.
Now Trea Turner would feel a ton of needs, because I think Crawford is just about done.
I have never seen judge play defense, so I'm curious if anyone knows is he a good defender in the Outfield or not?
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Post by reedonly on Aug 3, 2022 21:07:57 GMT -5
I saw on a Braves website that they did try to trade for PEderson but they did not have enough draft capital left and its possible that a lot of teams were scared off by Joc's concussion.
Your observations on Bart is encouraging because getting rid of Casali means they are showing more support for Bart.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 3, 2022 23:21:09 GMT -5
Right now, Joey is making solid progress with the bat, and that is encouraging. He looks like he feels he believes. And as Mike krukow and Kuiper continue to point out, that's half the battle.
It is obvious he still has a lot of learning to do, but I personally am impressed with how he overcame all the failure and as used it as motivation to get better.
That requires a strong Constitution
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Post by reedonly on Aug 4, 2022 10:15:07 GMT -5
Right now, Joey is making solid progress with the bat, and that is encouraging. He looks like he feels he believes. And as Mike krukow and Kuiper continue to point out, that's half the battle. It is obvious he still has a lot of learning to do, but I personally am impressed with how he overcame all the failure and as used it as motivation to get better. That requires a strong Constitution Joey Bart is finally over .200 |
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Post by reedonly on Aug 4, 2022 10:17:19 GMT -5
Boly: JD is a station-to-station guy, and we already have enough of them.
We are in year four of Farhan and he's complaining that we have too many DH, non-athletic guys. In year four, we should not be thinking about doing a tear down, but we are. If he's complaining about too many non-athletic players, complain to the mirror.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 4, 2022 13:44:05 GMT -5
Boly: JD is a station-to-station guy, and we already have enough of them. We are in year four of Farhan and he's complaining that we have too many DH, non-athletic guys. In year four, we should not be thinking about doing a tear down, but we are. If he's complaining about too many non-athletic players, complain to the mirror.
HE'S the guy that assembled the roster in the first place!
And HE was the guy that went out and added Mercedes, who is not slug-footed, isn't what we need in terms of athleticism |
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Post by reedonly on Aug 5, 2022 10:40:46 GMT -5
Every one of the fan websites is roasting Farhan. However, Hunter Pence made a statement the other day saying that it would have been a mistake to trade off the farm for Juan Soto (which we all agreed on). Even though the minor league system is having a down year, they can bounce back. Luciano is on a rehab assignment. I'm not sure if Ramos is heavy or bulked up but I think he needs to spend time before the next camp to get back into shape. Pence said basically that they didn't need to add Soto to become winners but the prospects should make each other winners. I guess I'm happy that they did not trade off the farm for a stupid rental but you would think Rodon and Pederson might have brought back something. For most of us, Farhan was being delusional and half-*ssed. They really need to stop under-estimating the intelligence of the fans, its not just about panda hats.
I"m pleased with the progress Bart has made and he credited a lot of it to his "big brother" Will Clark. Clark not only spent time in the cage with Bart but they hung out a lot while he was on that MiLB assignment. If Bart stays on track, and the minor leagues start improving, they are baby steps.
Still mad at them, though.
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 5, 2022 12:56:57 GMT -5
From what I've seen the criticism isn't about not getting Soto. It's more about the fact we didn't unload Rodon, Pederson and others. But maybe I haven't been paying attention enough.
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Post by reedonly on Aug 5, 2022 15:50:32 GMT -5
I did not think the Giants were going to get blue chip prospects for Rodon because of that opt-in clause but that it precisely why they should have traded him, even for low level prospects. If he gets hurt, he's going to opt in and they are stuck for $22 million in 2023 (as well as $7 million for the rest of 2022). From an economic standpoint, they're risking up to nearly $30 million by keeping him. this cannot be compared to the Castillo deal that Seattle put together earlier. Another thing I've read was that the two teams that were interested in Rodon were St Louis and Philly, which were the two teams ahead of the Giants in the wild card race. I think he didn't want to trade to one of those two teams and then have Rodon be the reason that they were beaten out for the last spot. As we are seeing, they are falling fast, with or without Rodon so that point has become moot. It's okay to trade Rodon even for low level parts to get out from under Johnny Cueto Deal II.
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Post by reedonly on Aug 5, 2022 15:54:18 GMT -5
Even as bad as it looks right now, I think the minor league prospects will begin to turn it around. Eugene is doing well and we are getting some progress from unexpected, less familiar prospects.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 5, 2022 16:15:58 GMT -5
I did not think the Giants were going to get blue chip prospects for Rodon because of that opt-in clause but that it precisely why they should have traded him, even for low level prospects. If he gets hurt, he's going to opt in and they are stuck for $22 million in 2023 (as well as $7 million for the rest of 2022). From an economic standpoint, they're risking up to nearly $30 million by keeping him. this cannot be compared to the Castillo deal that Seattle put together earlier. Another thing I've read was that the two teams that were interested in Rodon were St Louis and Philly, which were the two teams ahead of the Giants in the wild card race. I think he didn't want to trade to one of those two teams and then have Rodon be the reason that they were beaten out for the last spot. As we are seeing, they are falling fast, with or without Rodon so that point has become moot. It's okay to trade Rodon even for low level parts to get out from under Johnny Cueto Deal II.
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Post by reedonly on Aug 8, 2022 10:41:53 GMT -5
I did not think the Giants were going to get blue chip prospects for Rodon because of that opt-in clause but that it precisely why they should have traded him, even for low level prospects. If he gets hurt, he's going to opt in and they are stuck for $22 million in 2023 (as well as $7 million for the rest of 2022). From an economic standpoint, they're risking up to nearly $30 million by keeping him. this cannot be compared to the Castillo deal that Seattle put together earlier. Another thing I've read was that the two teams that were interested in Rodon were St Louis and Philly, which were the two teams ahead of the Giants in the wild card race. I think he didn't want to trade to one of those two teams and then have Rodon be the reason that they were beaten out for the last spot. As we are seeing, they are falling fast, with or without Rodon so that point has become moot. It's okay to trade Rodon even for low level parts to get out from under Johnny Cueto Deal II.
Problem is, Farhan with his churn is doing the multiple prospect thing except that most of the guys he picks up are rejects from other teams with huge flaw in their games. That's why they become available in the first place. For every Yaz or Ruf, there seems to be about a dozen guys that don't make it. |
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