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Jul 3, 2022 22:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by holiday613 on Jul 3, 2022 22:27:52 GMT -5
I really have no idea who abducted Farhan.. His decisions this year have been very peculiar His musical chair waiver moves have proven disasterous and like many here stated, the fact that Walton is still on the team ahead of Villar or Diaz is perplexing to say the least. I mentioned to Mark a nonth ago, that Walton looks like he just wants to drag the ball and most of his swings remind me of a frightened turtle.. Dont get me started with the Desclafani signing.. 36 million for this injured bum? And whats with all these stupid bullpen games? How has that worked out? Farhan should be embarrassed and call for an immidiate reshuffle.. So much dead wood on this team. Even Alex Wood!!
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Jul 4, 2022 8:37:36 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 4, 2022 8:37:36 GMT -5
I agree with you, holiday. A lot of what's going on falls in the lap of our general manager.
Of course, that said, we have a team full of underachieving players; veteran players to whom this shouldn't be happening.
I listened to Gabe Kapler's interview after the game, and he's saying what every manager has to say. Allow me to translate blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
In every season, all teams go through Collective good patches and bad patches. He is making light of the fact that this is now been going on for 2 months. That's not a bad patch. That's a signal of other underlying problems which are not being dealt with by either him or our general manager.
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Jul 4, 2022 9:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by holiday613 on Jul 4, 2022 9:55:28 GMT -5
Boly, it all started with Kaplers woke sitting out of the National Anthem.. Had a feeling it would change the dynamics of the team and it has.. Hope all the loonies on the left who follow the Giants are happy now
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Jul 4, 2022 10:57:39 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 4, 2022 10:57:39 GMT -5
You know, Mordy, you are right! That was the ignition point! I can't believe I forgot that time frame!
Sheesh! I'm really losing it!
Of course, it could all be coincidence... yeah. Right.
Reed speculated a while back that Kapler's ridiculous 'woke' move could have possibly stirred up the clubhouse. And to be honest, it WOULD have effected me!
My wife and I now avoid Disney movies and products like the plague, as well as many of the far left actors who feel they can use their fame as a platform to spout their left wing opinions.
We simply won't watch, let alone buy or go to any of their movies.
Not happening.
IF that effected my wife and I that much, I'm sure, as a veteran, Kapler's actions would have disturbed me greatly.
In fact, they still do.
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Jul 4, 2022 11:43:40 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 4, 2022 11:43:40 GMT -5
San Francisco's majority is very centrist. The politicians are left wing but they are learning they cannot get away with things as in the past. SF just voted out three leftist school board members who wanted to rename schools that were named after slaveowners (we are talking Washington) and a very lax DA (mother was in Weather Underground) and the people who voted them out were democrat and minorities.
The western half of the city consists of working class families mixture of all types of races and the western half has a totally different vibe from the eastern half. I tend to stay away from the east half of the city (downtown, tourist areas) because its turned into a toilet. The guys you see in the news like the politicians and celebrities are really into virtue signalling and performing very ittle action so it makes he city look like its totally inhabited by kooks.
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Jul 4, 2022 11:50:29 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 4, 2022 11:50:29 GMT -5
I agree with you, holiday. A lot of what's going on falls in the lap of our general manager. Of course, that said, we have a team full of underachieving players; veteran players to whom this shouldn't be happening. I listened to Gabe Kapler's interview after the game, and he's saying what every manager has to say. Allow me to translate blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. In every season, all teams go through Collective good patches and bad patches. He is making light of the fact that this is now been going on for 2 months. That's not a bad patch. That's a signal of other underlying problems which are not being dealt with by either him or our general manager. Giants are now two games out of the last wild card. With upcoming games against the Padres, Brewers, Dodgers, we could see them fall eight to ten games back and fall behind a bunch of teams. That should be the prompt to go into "sell" mode. Don't get your hopes up, though. They are not going to get rid of players like Darren Ruf, even for a bucket of baseballs. No teams wants the dead wood to take up a roster spot on their 26 man.
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Jul 5, 2022 15:23:44 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 5, 2022 15:23:44 GMT -5
Boly, it all started with Kaplers woke sitting out of the National Anthem.. Had a feeling it would change the dynamics of the team and it has.. Hope all the loonies on the left who follow the Giants are happy now When a clubhouse is lost, its hard to get it back. You can pinpoint the tailspin beginning after the Kapler national anthem antics. They are not going to say it but it likely made a lot of the players mad at Kapler. Kapler now sounds like he is doing damage control and say that players need to spend more energy bringing each other up instead of complaining about errors or field conditions. Easier said than done. Kapler: Are we channeling and challenging ourselves with that energy?” Kapler mused. “Collectively we’re all doing that. It’s as simple as a player doesn’t make a play on defense. Rather than express frustration about it, going up to that player and reminding them how good he is. And how we depended on him in the past and how we’re going to depend on him in the future.” Meanwhile, to show how much people are paying attention to Kapler: during the Oakland A's fireworks, someone shot a gun either in or around the Coliseum and bullet fragments hit at least four people. I guess he has impressed his circle of friends and other managers but whenever I have a discussion with other people about Kapler, he is considered a virtue signalling d-bag.
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Jul 5, 2022 16:51:05 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 5, 2022 16:51:05 GMT -5
San Francisco's majority is very centrist. The politicians are left wing but they are learning they cannot get away with things as in the past. SF just voted out three leftist school board members who wanted to rename schools that were named after slaveowners (we are talking Washington) and a very lax DA (mother was in Weather Underground) and the people who voted them out were democrat and minorities. The western half of the city consists of working class families mixture of all types of races and the western half has a totally different vibe from the eastern half. I tend to stay away from the east half of the city (downtown, tourist areas) because its turned into a toilet. The guys you see in the news like the politicians and celebrities are really into virtue signalling and performing very ittle action so it makes he city look like its totally inhabited by kooks. Wow! Reed! Color me surprised! I mean, falling on the floor surprised!
Centrist?
After so many years with Crazy Gavin at the helm?
But I'm honestly glad to hear people there are realizing that the left ISN'T the way to go.
I was having a discussion with a lady last night and she was displeased that Republicans weren't trying to at least offer some compromise with the left. She said there had to be some middle ground.
I told her that wasn't possible because there can NEVER be a compromise between socialism and democracy.
There is no middle ground upon which to even begin a discussion.
I'll be really interested to see what goes on in SF based upon your observations.
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Jul 6, 2022 10:22:57 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 6, 2022 10:22:57 GMT -5
San Francisco's majority is very centrist. The politicians are left wing but they are learning they cannot get away with things as in the past. SF just voted out three leftist school board members who wanted to rename schools that were named after slaveowners (we are talking Washington) and a very lax DA (mother was in Weather Underground) and the people who voted them out were democrat and minorities. The western half of the city consists of working class families mixture of all types of races and the western half has a totally different vibe from the eastern half. I tend to stay away from the east half of the city (downtown, tourist areas) because its turned into a toilet. The guys you see in the news like the politicians and celebrities are really into virtue signalling and performing very ittle action so it makes he city look like its totally inhabited by kooks. Wow! Reed! Color me surprised! I mean, falling on the floor surprised!
Centrist?
After so many years with Crazy Gavin at the helm?
But I'm honestly glad to hear people there are realizing that the left ISN'T the way to go.
I was having a discussion with a lady last night and she was displeased that Republicans weren't trying to at least offer some compromise with the left. She said there had to be some middle ground.
I told her that wasn't possible because there can NEVER be a compromise between socialism and democracy.
There is no middle ground upon which to even begin a discussion.
I'll be really interested to see what goes on in SF based upon your observations.Two sides of San Francisco are divided by hills in the middle. The west side of the hills only has Golden Gate Park and the beach for tourists otherwise its residential with a melting pot of different ethnicities. The vibe in the residential areas is different. The homeless and the politicals tend to congregate near the freeways, downtown, and the tourist areas. This is also where most of the media coverage and photo ops take place. Where I live, I am away from the noise and only go through downtown when I have to go to the East Bay for freeway access. I mentioned before that Kapler's political statement pretty much went unheard locally and when you look at the media such as espn or yahoo, they magnified it a lot bigger than it actually was. Remember, when Kapler made his big announcement, it was right in the middle of the NBA playoffs and about 95% of the sports buzz in San Francisco was about the Warriors. Outside of KNBR, nobody was paying attention to the Giants and nobody was paying attention to Kapler. Most of the people I discuss baseball with (who are San Franciscans) think Kapler is a d-bag. LaRussa called Kapler out because his antics did not really address the problem of gun violence. Only after LaRussa called Kapler out did he make donations to anti-gun and veteran's funds. Most of the time, he virtue signals by re-tweets, which take up as much time and energy as forwarding an e-mail (you can see a lot of these on his twitter account and his lifestyle website). People can see through the facade and if I was a player in the clubhouse, he would have lost me.
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Jul 6, 2022 11:03:25 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 6, 2022 11:03:25 GMT -5
A D-bag? Man! Do I agree with that!
He is the ONLY Giant manager, in my life time of watching which goes back to 1957, which I have absolutely despised from day 1.
I only had contempt for Alou and then Baker after YEARS of watching them ignore youngsters and badly manage the club they had.
Great stuff here, Reed! Thank you !
I never get to hear this kind of thing so please, continue to post stuff like this when you hear it!
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Jul 6, 2022 15:52:04 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 6, 2022 15:52:04 GMT -5
I cannot stand Kapler's personality and political grandstanding but I think he might be a good fit when they start to incorporate more of the minor leaguers. I could not stand Clyde King (pseudo-intellectual who didn't know what he was doing), Dave Bristol (over his head), Davenport (ditto) and grew to not like Frank Robinson, Baker, and Alou.
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Jul 6, 2022 16:02:31 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 6, 2022 16:02:31 GMT -5
the whole context of the Kapler anthem thing makes it appear that he was trying to copy Steve Kerr who made an excellent speech earlier that day. Steve Kerr has a great deal more credibility having won three championships with the Warriors up to that point and with him losing his father to gun violence when he was younger. As such, Kerr's speech was more from the heart and more honest. Later that day, I think Kapler felt compelled to copy Kerr being another field manager of a Bay Area sports franchise and make some sort of statement. The anthem thing was the best he could come up with. What was amusing was that Kapler's statement was really feeble in comparison to Kerr's and nobody really noticed or gave much credibility to Kapler. In the end, he looked like a guy who was riding Kerr's coattails. And what is worse, anthem protests were generally passe after six years of NFL and NBA players doing it. Comments made by Kerr and Kapler may have had good intentions but the fact is that in San Francisco, the number of gun violence victims in 2019 to 2021 rose 62% but I guess that speaking out only after the Uvalde incident fits their narrative better.
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Jul 6, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 6, 2022 17:50:44 GMT -5
I cannot stand Kapler's personality and political grandstanding but I think he might be a good fit when they start to incorporate more of the minor leaguers. I could not stand Clyde King (pseudo-intellectual who didn't know what he was doing), Dave Bristol (over his head), Davenport (ditto) and grew to not like Frank Robinson, Baker, and Alou. I'm with you on Kapler. I like the way he runs the offense, and the team in general, but not the pitching staff.
To me, he's just another clueless former hitter who "thinks" he understand the pitching side when he clearly does not.
I remember King managing the Giants but I lived in S. Calif at the time and knew nothing of him at all.
Bristol I never cared for, and I didn't think he was a very good manager of ANY of the teams he managed.
Davenport 'might' have been okay IF he had a front office and the players to go with him. I don't believe he had either.
I look at all of the players we moved PRIOR to Craig getting there in 1986, and I can see where Craig's additional 21 wins came from.
Robinson was another guy who simply did not understand pitchers. My memories of him always focus on the same thing; he usually left a pitcher in for 1 or two hitters too many.
He was a real old school guy, the game was changing... and he couldn't or wouldn't.
Even though Bochy won 3 championships for us, my favorite manager is Roger Craig. IMHO, he did more with LESS talent on the mound than anyone of the Giant Managers I can remember.
I mean, let's be fair; look at who Bochy had: Lincecum, Cain, Bum, Sanchez, and Vogey just to name a few.
Craig had the likes of: LaCoss, Kelly Downs, and a couple of other decent guys, but none like what Boch had.
Still, Bochy was awfully good!
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Jul 7, 2022 10:40:10 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 7, 2022 10:40:10 GMT -5
Craig also had Krukow, Hammaker, and Reuschel.
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Jul 7, 2022 11:28:05 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 7, 2022 11:28:05 GMT -5
Craig also had Krukow, Hammaker, and Reuschel. Agreed. But Krukow was just an average ML pitcher. Hammaker, after his injury, was never the same.
IMHO, on Reuschel was a top of the line starter, as were Bum, Lincecum, and Cain.
Vogey was better than Krukow, too. Again, IMHO, Bochy had a better staff to work with
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Jul 8, 2022 19:29:39 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jul 8, 2022 19:29:39 GMT -5
Garrelts and Burkett were pretty good too.
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Jul 9, 2022 13:22:07 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 9, 2022 13:22:07 GMT -5
A D-bag? Man! Do I agree with that!
He is the ONLY Giant manager, in my life time of watching which goes back to 1957, which I have absolutely despised from day 1.
I only had contempt for Alou and then Baker after YEARS of watching them ignore youngsters and badly manage the club they had.
Great stuff here, Reed! Thank you !
I never get to hear this kind of thing so please, continue to post stuff like this when you hear it! Most of the stuff from Krukow and Estes is on the knbr.com website and go to podcasts under "Murph and Mac". Currently, Krukow is on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, Kuiper on Tuesday, and Estes on Thursday. Also, Will Clark is on Wednesday (always entertaining). If I don't hear them on the broadcast, I just listen to the podcast during my lunch break.
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Jul 9, 2022 14:44:54 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 9, 2022 14:44:54 GMT -5
A D-bag? Man! Do I agree with that!
He is the ONLY Giant manager, in my life time of watching which goes back to 1957, which I have absolutely despised from day 1.
I only had contempt for Alou and then Baker after YEARS of watching them ignore youngsters and badly manage the club they had.
Great stuff here, Reed! Thank you !
I never get to hear this kind of thing so please, continue to post stuff like this when you hear it! Most of the stuff from Krukow and Estes is on the knbr.com website and go to podcasts under "Murph and Mac". Currently, Krukow is on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, Kuiper on Tuesday, and Estes on Thursday. Also, Will Clark is on Wednesday (always entertaining). If I don't hear them on the broadcast, I just listen to the podcast during my lunch break. I normally don't want to spend time listening to pod casts, Reed, but I think I'm GOING to make an exception for these guys!
Thanks!
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Jul 9, 2022 16:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jul 9, 2022 16:40:02 GMT -5
This post was started by criticizing Farhan's approach to the roster this season. I can't argue because obviously mistakes have been made. The question I keep wondering about is the dynamic between Farhan and Kapler. Does Kapler have any say in who gets sent down or called up? Does Kapler have any say in how many pitches someone throws?
Obviously we can blame Farhan for trading Doubon for essentially nothing, and he came out and said he traded Doubon fully knowing he could become a solid player elsewhere, but we aren't getting too many answers on anything else that we've talked about here. Kapler seems like he is smug and arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have to answer for his mistakes. The most open discussion Kapler has had this season was about gun violence and sitting out the national anthem.
While I do disagree with some of Farhan's moves, I have to wonder just how much of the blame can fall on his shoulders. One thing we should take notice of is the fact that with every struggling player, we have had an answer here on the board...whether it's calling up so-and-so, or stretching out a pitcher, or letting a bench player get more at bats..The point is, we have the talent. We have players at the higher level that come in and play well, and if we didn't have them a move was made to get them.
With that said, I think most, if not all the blame should fall directly on Kapler's shoulders.
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Jul 9, 2022 18:12:43 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 9, 2022 18:12:43 GMT -5
You make an excellent point. I think its about half half. There are guys that Farhan has been quoted as saying that he has been trying to get them for a long time such as Tauchman and Papierski and those were guys who really did not work out. Also, Boly and I were thinking that Donovan Walton was not scouted in person because he is incompetant in so many phases of the game and the Mariners fans couldn't believe that Walton could be had for a #30 level prospect. Furthermore, there have been overpays from Farhan in some of his contracts (DeSclafani, LaStella, Ruf, Wood).
The area that Kapler is at fault at is that he tries to maximize his matchups with all the flipping of the lineups, bullpen games, and lefty-righty switches and he probably is the one who has the say in trying to maximize the 26 man roster (for example, having Hjelle up for a day then back down to Sac for a position player). Its the old catch-22 where a player has a bad match-up but won't get many opportunities to work his way out of that problem. I think he has stunted the progress of a lot of players on the big club, not just the ones he's been shuffling back and forth to Sacramento. Wade Jr, Yaz, Slater, Pederson have been reduced to being platoon guys. Sam Long still isn't trusted to go more than two innings. Supposedly Kapler is a guy who knows his analytics but a better manager will know how *not* to use analytics for the sake of improvement. The other areas Kapler is weak at are bullpen management (as we've discussed previously) and he seems to have a blind spot for defense. Also, they stick too long with guys like LaStella (Farhan's fault for $11 million contract in 2023, Kapler's fault for the way he's rehabbed him and uses him. The anthem protest will probably be looked at as the hinge point of the season and that's definitely all on him and having the clubhouse become so negative is mostly on him, also.
For me, at least Farhan keeps trying. We know Papierski did not work out but he turned around and got Wynns and Mercedes. He is good at churning acquisitions but I would feel better if some of the guys who have been prospects for so long start to graduate to the big club. I like listening to his discussions. He doesn't give out much information but he's not as arrogant as Kapler and he seems open to learning and doing whatever it takes to improve the club. I like the Welker acquisition which is low risk and shows resourcefulness. Kapler, on the other hand, bothers me when he talks. He seems more concerned that we are using *his* process and not so much with results.
Bochy and Sabean give off the impression that they were old school guys who really did not care about analytics. That was really an illusion that they tried to push. The fact is that the team is located 50 miles from Silicon Valley, how could they not have access to the sabermetics and data? They just didn't go around walking around with their ipad or look at huge television monitors in the dugout. They were smart enough not to reveal the process and let the data become a part of the decision making process, not have the data become the decision.
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Jul 9, 2022 19:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jul 9, 2022 19:14:44 GMT -5
I think we've definitely dispelled the notion that Sabean and Bochy were not tuned into the Sabremetric side of the game. They just didn't allow themselves to be defined by it, but I'm fairly certain they used it extensively. Wouldn't they be stupid not to?...we've been looking at secondary stats here on this board since the early 2000s, if they aren't dialed into any avenue that might give them an advantage then they're simply not doing their jobs.
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Jul 9, 2022 19:16:17 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 9, 2022 19:16:17 GMT -5
This post was started by criticizing Farhan's approach to the roster this season. I can't argue because obviously mistakes have been made. The question I keep wondering about is the dynamic between Farhan and Kapler. Does Kapler have any say in who gets sent down or called up? Does Kapler have any say in how many pitches someone throws? Obviously we can blame Farhan for trading Doubon for essentially nothing, and he came out and said he traded Doubon fully knowing he could become a solid player elsewhere, but we aren't getting too many answers on anything else that we've talked about here. Kapler seems like he is smug and arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have to answer for his mistakes. The most open discussion Kapler has had this season was about gun violence and sitting out the national anthem. While I do disagree with some of Farhan's moves, I have to wonder just how much of the blame can fall on his shoulders. One thing we should take notice of is the fact that with every struggling player, we have had an answer here on the board...whether it's calling up so-and-so, or stretching out a pitcher, or letting a bench player get more at bats..The point is, we have the talent. We have players at the higher level that come in and play well, and if we didn't have them a move was made to get them. With that said, I think most, if not all the blame should fall directly on Kapler's shoulders. Good post, boagie.
I think it's fair to say we all understand that everyone...every GM... every manager makes mistakes.
At least Farhan seems more willing to admit them.
Tauchman, Papierski, Dubon...it's going to happen.
We do have the talent, that is for sure. That they aren't performing better, that rattlings of complacency seem to abound lately from inside the team and from outside...those things concern me. It also tells me this is NOT a good club house.
Perhaps Kruk and Kuip are right; that Posey's absence IN the clubhouse has hurt more than his absence on the field... and I find I can't argue with that logic.
Something is wrong. Terribly wrong and I don't see any forth coming solutions.
I WAS AND AM glad McGee got cut.
I thought he lost it late in the 2nd half last year and really didn't deserve a contract to come back this season.
Most of all I agree with you about where the majority of the blame should fall; Kapler. Just like it did during his time in Philly.
I don't think it's a coincidence that he seems to have lost this clubhouse as he lost that one.
His schtick wears thin. And if I were one of his players, it would have gotten old long ago.
Which makes me ask this question: Why in the world would Pederson or Rodon, for that matter, want to come back next year and play for this guy?
Same with Yaz and others. As someone pointed out (Reed?), they are platoon players under Kapler, nothing more.
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Jul 9, 2022 19:22:12 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 9, 2022 19:22:12 GMT -5
You make an excellent point. I think its about half half. There are guys that Farhan has been quoted as saying that he has been trying to get them for a long time such as Tauchman and Papierski and those were guys who really did not work out. Also, Boly and I were thinking that Donovan Walton was not scouted in person because he is incompetant in so many phases of the game and the Mariners fans couldn't believe that Walton could be had for a #30 level prospect. Furthermore, there have been overpays from Farhan in some of his contracts (DeSclafani, LaStella, Ruf, Wood). The area that Kapler is at fault at is that he tries to maximize his matchups with all the flipping of the lineups, bullpen games, and lefty-righty switches and he probably is the one who has the say in trying to maximize the 26 man roster (for example, having Hjelle up for a day then back down to Sac for a position player). Its the old catch-22 where a player has a bad match-up but won't get many opportunities to work his way out of that problem. I think he has stunted the progress of a lot of players on the big club, not just the ones he's been shuffling back and forth to Sacramento. Wade Jr, Yaz, Slater, Pederson have been reduced to being platoon guys. Sam Long still isn't trusted to go more than two innings. Supposedly Kapler is a guy who knows his analytics but a better manager will know how *not* to use analytics for the sake of improvement. The other areas Kapler is weak at are bullpen management (as we've discussed previously) and he seems to have a blind spot for defense. Also, they stick too long with guys like LaStella (Farhan's fault for $11 million contract in 2023, Kapler's fault for the way he's rehabbed him and uses him. The anthem protest will probably be looked at as the hinge point of the season and that's definitely all on him and having the clubhouse become so negative is mostly on him, also. For me, at least Farhan keeps trying. We know Papierski did not work out but he turned around and got Wynns and Mercedes. He is good at churning acquisitions but I would feel better if some of the guys who have been prospects for so long start to graduate to the big club. I like listening to his discussions. He doesn't give out much information but he's not as arrogant as Kapler and he seems open to learning and doing whatever it takes to improve the club. I like the Welker acquisition which is low risk and shows resourcefulness. Kapler, on the other hand, bothers me when he talks. He seems more concerned that we are using *his* process and not so much with results. Bochy and Sabean give off the impression that they were old school guys who really did not care about analytics. That was really an illusion that they tried to push. The fact is that the team is located 50 miles from Silicon Valley, how could they not have access to the sabermetics and data? They just didn't go around walking around with their ipad or look at huge television monitors in the dugout. They were smart enough not to reveal the process and let the data become a part of the decision making process, not have the data become the decision. There are many things that bother me about Kapler, over and above his over use of the pen, his rhetoric, and his arrogance.
1-We have some guys who can run... but we rarely do. Last night was a perfect example with Snell on the mound. Slow to the plate but neither Thairo or anyone else attempted to run.
2-Kapler won't bunt a runner over. Won't. Now I'm not a huge fan of that, but when you team CAN'T/WON'T score runs, do something to put the ball in play. Give the other team a chance to SCREW up and make a bad throw.
3-The Sam Long issue, as you pointed out. 2 and gone. That's ridiculous. He's shown he has the stuff to start and Kapler would rather go with a bullpen game then stretch the guy out.
4-Kapler's reluctance to adapt and change. In any part of his game. For 81 games what he's been doing is NOT working. Try something different and stop being so quick to pull the plug on a guy and pinch hit.
THAT hasn't worked out. In fact, it's backfired on him frequently as other teams literally 'set him up' to make a change they know he'll make, and then later capitalizing on it.
Not smart. Not smart at all.
He of all people should KNOW that baseball is a game of adjustments.
But he seems unwilling to make any.
but most of all, what I see happening HERE is what I saw happen in Philly; one good year... and then people see through his nonsense and the toilet flushes on the season.
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Post by reedonly on Jul 11, 2022 10:24:22 GMT -5
Boly: I'm with you on Kapler. I like the way he runs the offense, and the team in general, but not the pitching staff.
Actually, I don't like the way he runs the offense. His main strategy is to load up on the lefty-righty matchup and flip the lineup when the other team changes pitchers. As I mentioned before, he has reduced some of the players to becoming platoon players and they are not getting a chance to see lefty-lefty or right-right as much.
The sabermetric thinking on the bunt is that it gives up an out and the risk-benefit is not favorable. I think if the defense gives it up and the situation is a tight game, it might be worth a shot every so often to keep the defense on its toes.
One thing that worked recently was that during the losing streak, he did not personally call out the players or flip the spread but he let Rodon and Belt, the veteran players, do the talking. This one seemed effective. Also, Longoria lightened things up over the weekend by having a home run derby. Maybe it got the players minds off of their asinine manager. At any rate, the winner of the home run derby was Slater.
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Jul 11, 2022 10:39:21 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 11, 2022 10:39:21 GMT -5
Boly: I'm with you on Kapler. I like the way he runs the offense, and the team in general, but not the pitching staff. Actually, I don't like the way he runs the offense. His main strategy is to load up on the lefty-righty matchup and flip the lineup when the other team changes pitchers. As I mentioned before, he has reduced some of the players to becoming platoon players and they are not getting a chance to see lefty-lefty or right-right as much. The sabermetric thinking on the bunt is that it gives up an out and the risk-benefit is not favorable. I think if the defense gives it up and the situation is a tight game, it might be worth a shot every so often to keep the defense on its toes. One thing that worked recently was that during the losing streak, he did not personally call out the players or flip the spread but he let Rodon and Belt, the veteran players, do the talking. This one seemed effective. Also, someone lightened things up over the weekend by having a home run derby. Maybe it got the players minds off of their asinine manager. At any rate, the winner of the home run derby was Slater. I like that he's aggressive with pinch hitting, but NOT in the 4th or 5th inning.
Opposing managers have grown wise to what he does, and they manage their bullpens so that, late in the game, match ups we could have/would have had... aren't there.
To me, THAT'S a classic case of 2 things;
1- Over managing.
2- Thinking he's so smart that regardless of how the opposition has adjusted, he's still smarter and he's going to do it his way.
Then again, IMHO, # 2 sums up Kapler.
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Farhan
Jul 12, 2022 10:25:19 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 12, 2022 10:25:19 GMT -5
Kuiper was discussing Kapler pinch hitting Ruf for Joc and with Melancon looming as closer in the ninth. Kuiper says that they realize they will lose Joc for the later matchup but Kapler feels the earlier matchup would be a higher leverage situation. The discussion also said that Kapler is not the first manager to swap Joc in and out and he does not seem to have a problem with it. Kuip feels that without judicious use of JOc that Joc probably does not make the All Star team. However, later in the segment, Kuiper said that an opposing scout tried to bait him into having a discussion about Kapler saying "I'll bet you are tired of that guy" and Kuiper said that he knew where the scout was trying to take the conversation and said that Kapler was doing a good job and he did not want to talk with the scout about Kapler. I guess the insiders are going to defend him.
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Farhan
Jul 12, 2022 13:37:36 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 12, 2022 13:37:36 GMT -5
Kuiper was discussing Kapler pinch hitting Ruf for Joc and with Melancon looming as closer in the ninth. Kuiper says that they realize they will lose Joc for the later matchup but Kapler feels the earlier matchup would be a higher leverage situation. The discussion also said that Kapler is not the first manager to swap Joc in and out and he does not seem to have a problem with it. Kuip feels that without judicious use of JOc that Joc probably does not make the All Star team. However, later in the segment, Kuiper said that an opposing scout tried to bait him into having a discussion about Kapler saying "I'll bet you are tired of that guy" and Kuiper said that he knew where the scout was trying to take the conversation and said that Kapler was doing a good job and he did not want to talk with the scout about Kapler. I guess the insiders are going to defend him. It's good that Kuip was not baited into bad mouthing his manager.
As sort of a "face" of the club, he can't.
He holds the microphone and is paid by the club to talk about the Giants.
Bad mouthing Kapler would not be smart.
But that said, based upon things he and Kruk have said... I think they've had enough of Kapler and that they don't particularly care for the way he's ruining...errr, I mean, 'running' the club.
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Farhan
Jul 12, 2022 15:10:00 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 12, 2022 15:10:00 GMT -5
Kuiper was discussing Kapler pinch hitting Ruf for Joc and with Melancon looming as closer in the ninth. Kuiper says that they realize they will lose Joc for the later matchup but Kapler feels the earlier matchup would be a higher leverage situation. The discussion also said that Kapler is not the first manager to swap Joc in and out and he does not seem to have a problem with it. Kuip feels that without judicious use of JOc that Joc probably does not make the All Star team. However, later in the segment, Kuiper said that an opposing scout tried to bait him into having a discussion about Kapler saying "I'll bet you are tired of that guy" and Kuiper said that he knew where the scout was trying to take the conversation and said that Kapler was doing a good job and he did not want to talk with the scout about Kapler. I guess the insiders are going to defend him. It's good that Kuip was not baited into bad mouthing his manager.
As sort of a "face" of the club, he can't.
He holds the microphone and is paid by the club to talk about the Giants.
Bad mouthing Kapler would not be smart.
But that said, based upon things he and Kruk have said... I think they've had enough of Kapler and that they don't particularly care for the way he's ruining...errr, I mean, 'running' the club.Not matter what they think of Kapler privately, Kuiper showed some class. I don't think the entire team is upset at the anthem thing. Yaz, Antoan Richardson, and Cueto knelt with Kapler last season. I'm not sure who else.
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Farhan
Jul 12, 2022 16:58:53 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 12, 2022 16:58:53 GMT -5
It's good that Kuip was not baited into bad mouthing his manager.
As sort of a "face" of the club, he can't.
He holds the microphone and is paid by the club to talk about the Giants.
Bad mouthing Kapler would not be smart.
But that said, based upon things he and Kruk have said... I think they've had enough of Kapler and that they don't particularly care for the way he's ruining...errr, I mean, 'running' the club. Not matter what they think of Kapler privately, Kuiper showed some class. I don't think the entire team is upset at the anthem thing. Yaz, Antoan Richardson, and Cueto knelt with Kapler last season. I'm not sure who else. Agreed. He showed a lot of class.
But I have to say... all of the respect I had for Yaz, Cueto and the others, just went out the window.
One more time I'll say it on the fluke chance they read this; that is SUCH disrespect for the Military who served and/or fought for this country and in some cases, died for this country.
It's disrespectful to fire fighters and policemen who served and in some cases, died for this country.
Why they can't see that; why they WON'T/REFUSE to see that befuddles me.
And, might I also say, angers me.
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Farhan
Jul 13, 2022 10:21:02 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 13, 2022 10:21:02 GMT -5
I think we've definitely dispelled the notion that Sabean and Bochy were not tuned into the Sabremetric side of the game. They just didn't allow themselves to be defined by it, but I'm fairly certain they used it extensively. Wouldn't they be stupid not to?...we've been looking at secondary stats here on this board since the early 2000s, if they aren't dialed into any avenue that might give them an advantage then they're simply not doing their jobs. I thought it was cool that they tried to make it look like they were so old school that they looked like they didn't know what an iPad was. The thing with "gut feeling" is a little harder to define. For guys like Bochy, it may not have been "gut feeling" so much as things he has learned after years and years of managing. All the data in his head is so ingrained that it looks like the decisions are made by reflex.
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