|
Farhan
Jul 13, 2022 10:26:44 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 13, 2022 10:26:44 GMT -5
This post was started by criticizing Farhan's approach to the roster this season. I can't argue because obviously mistakes have been made. The question I keep wondering about is the dynamic between Farhan and Kapler. Does Kapler have any say in who gets sent down or called up? Does Kapler have any say in how many pitches someone throws? Obviously we can blame Farhan for trading Doubon for essentially nothing, and he came out and said he traded Doubon fully knowing he could become a solid player elsewhere, but we aren't getting too many answers on anything else that we've talked about here. Kapler seems like he is smug and arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have to answer for his mistakes. The most open discussion Kapler has had this season was about gun violence and sitting out the national anthem. While I do disagree with some of Farhan's moves, I have to wonder just how much of the blame can fall on his shoulders. One thing we should take notice of is the fact that with every struggling player, we have had an answer here on the board...whether it's calling up so-and-so, or stretching out a pitcher, or letting a bench player get more at bats..The point is, we have the talent. We have players at the higher level that come in and play well, and if we didn't have them a move was made to get them. With that said, I think most, if not all the blame should fall directly on Kapler's shoulders. I'm not sure what success ratio of an average GM is. I think its probably less than half because the guys that are available are usually players that other teams don't want for one reason or another. If Farhan is successful half the time, it actually might be a good ratio. However, as I've mentioned before, I get a little leery whenever Farhan says that "we've been trying to get this player for a few years" because that description decribes Tauchman and Papierski.
|
|
|
Farhan
Jul 13, 2022 13:02:41 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 13, 2022 13:02:41 GMT -5
This post was started by criticizing Farhan's approach to the roster this season. I can't argue because obviously mistakes have been made. The question I keep wondering about is the dynamic between Farhan and Kapler. Does Kapler have any say in who gets sent down or called up? Does Kapler have any say in how many pitches someone throws? Obviously we can blame Farhan for trading Doubon for essentially nothing, and he came out and said he traded Doubon fully knowing he could become a solid player elsewhere, but we aren't getting too many answers on anything else that we've talked about here. Kapler seems like he is smug and arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have to answer for his mistakes. The most open discussion Kapler has had this season was about gun violence and sitting out the national anthem. While I do disagree with some of Farhan's moves, I have to wonder just how much of the blame can fall on his shoulders. One thing we should take notice of is the fact that with every struggling player, we have had an answer here on the board...whether it's calling up so-and-so, or stretching out a pitcher, or letting a bench player get more at bats..The point is, we have the talent. We have players at the higher level that come in and play well, and if we didn't have them a move was made to get them. With that said, I think most, if not all the blame should fall directly on Kapler's shoulders. I'm not sure what success ratio of an average GM is. I think its probably less than half because the guys that are available are usually players that other teams don't want for one reason or another. If Farhan is successful half the time, it actually might be a good ratio. However, as I've mentioned before, I get a little leery whenever Farhan says that "we've been trying to get this player for a few years" because that description decribes Tauchman and Papierski. Once again, you make some very solid points, Reed.
When Farhan joined us I said I'd give him 5 years and then re evaluate him... since I was not a fan of his being hired in the first place.
However, after watching him operate these last 3 seasons, I like him... and I'm willing to go along with some of the chances he takes; such as Yaz, Wade, Gonzalez, and a few others and maybe Mercedes
I guess I could also add the likes of Leone and Lyttle, and Alphonso, all of whom were sort of just "so-so" guys until last season.
|
|
|
Farhan
Jul 13, 2022 15:34:19 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 13, 2022 15:34:19 GMT -5
When Bochy was manager, they said Bochy appreciated the way Farhan used the churn as a tool to keep supplying the team with fresh bodies and to strategically rest other players. Instead of selling off all the players, he allowed Bochy to keep Mad Bum for one last run. The smart thing to do at that time was to sell off everyone but Farhan wanted Bochy to go out on a high note.
|
|
|
Farhan
Jul 13, 2022 16:03:15 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jul 13, 2022 16:03:15 GMT -5
When Bochy was manager, they said Bochy appreciated the way Farhan used the churn as a tool to keep supplying the team with fresh bodies and to strategically rest other players. Instead of selling off all the players, he allowed Bochy to keep Mad Bum for one last run. The smart thing to do at that time was to sell off everyone but Farhan wanted Bochy to go out on a high note. I've always admired Farhan for that.
|
|
|
Farhan
Jul 14, 2022 10:23:49 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jul 14, 2022 10:23:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure what success ratio of an average GM is. I think its probably less than half because the guys that are available are usually players that other teams don't want for one reason or another. If Farhan is successful half the time, it actually might be a good ratio. However, as I've mentioned before, I get a little leery whenever Farhan says that "we've been trying to get this player for a few years" because that description decribes Tauchman and Papierski. Once again, you make some very solid points, Reed.
When Farhan joined us I said I'd give him 5 years and then re evaluate him... since I was not a fan of his being hired in the first place.
However, after watching him operate these last 3 seasons, I like him... and I'm willing to go along with some of the chances he takes; such as Yaz, Wade, Gonzalez, and a few others and maybe Mercedes
I guess I could also add the likes of Leone and Lyttle, and Alphonso, all of whom were sort of just "so-so" guys until last season.
The way we evaluate Farhan is multifold, not just on how the big league club does as a whole. That's just one aspect. He probably ranks above average in terms of waiver wire pickups and dumpster diving. This is where he gets guys like Junis, Gonzalez, Mercedes, and Wynns. Evaluating the players they pick in the amateur draft is now an incomplete because most of the players drafted on his watch are still in the minors. The area of player development is a big concern because most of the youngsters drafted by the Giants and developed by the Giants are struggling. Much hyped Matos is hitting .171 at Eugene and similar for Bailey, Bishop, and so forth. Not a good sign if most of the young talent we were counting on is struggling at A level.
|
|
|
Farhan
Aug 13, 2023 11:47:48 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Aug 13, 2023 11:47:48 GMT -5
I think we've definitely dispelled the notion that Sabean and Bochy were not tuned into the Sabremetric side of the game. They just didn't allow themselves to be defined by it, but I'm fairly certain they used it extensively. Wouldn't they be stupid not to?...we've been looking at secondary stats here on this board since the early 2000s, if they aren't dialed into any avenue that might give them an advantage then they're simply not doing their jobs. Two GMs who are really into their analytics are in trouble now. They are currently being criticized for being too reliant on analytics and for sitting on the fence and being passive at the trade deadline. While that may describe someone with the initials "FZ", it also describes Brian Cashman and Chaim Bloom. The 2023 trade deadline is now considered Bloom's final act. I was hoping the Giants signed Bloom when they were looking for a GM but now I admit that Bloom would have been a huge mistake and that they dodged a bullet with that one. FZ probably should be thankful that he doesn't work in a market like New York or Boston otherwise he would be polishing up his linkdin resume by now. I'm not sure if this represents a swing away from analytics but I think it pretty much shows that only a fool would use the information obtained on an ipad as the sole decision maker.
|
|
|
Post by klaiggeb on Aug 13, 2023 19:02:08 GMT -5
Again, I was thinking the same thing.
Boch has so much experience... as a player and even more as a SUCCESSFUL manager.
Something I don't think Kaptain Ego will ever obtain.
|
|
|
Post by reedonly on Aug 13, 2023 21:41:49 GMT -5
Again, I was thinking the same thing. Boch has so much experience... as a player and even more as a SUCCESSFUL manager. Something I don't think Kaptain Ego will ever obtain. Joe Maddon had some interesting comments about analytics after he was fired by the Angels. Comments made said pre game meetings were too long and the analytics department was giving players too much information and the analytics guys seem to be overstepping the coaches in authority. Maddon said players get too much information when they are looking for nuggets. They don;t need to know how to build a watch, they just need to know what time it is. I can see GK overloading players with a lot of information about launch angles and body mechanics and its probably overwhelming especially for the younger players.
|
|
|
Post by reedonly on Aug 13, 2023 21:59:22 GMT -5
I was reading an article about when Kevin Cash pulled Blake Snell in the World Series after 80 pitches in a dominant outing. The article said that Cash failed the eye test and the team probably made the decision to pull Snell at that point even before the game started. This was a decision based on analytic data and anyone who was watching the game with eyes would have left Snell in. Bottom line was that the Rays placed too much faith in their data and just because it is labelled as reasearch or comes out on an ipad, screen, or reams of reports doesn't mean that the data is useful or true. Second if that while the data may be useful, its important to look at the data in the context of the players. GK relies too much on his data and probably does not know which is useful or not useful.
|
|