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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 8, 2021 15:14:43 GMT -5
I'm being paranoid, I know, but the memories from that abomination of a world series in 1989 just won't go away.
We had, I still believe, the better team...yet got swept.
I fear the same thing now, and honestly, I shouldn't.
As it has been pointed out numerous times, what this team brings to the table simply can't be quantified, explained with any sense of rational thinking.
Winning 107 games... when 73-75 were expected is something I will never forget.
But if we end up getting swept, that will simply add fuel to the fire that "we never really were that good to begin with; we just got lucky"
I don't believe that.
Bochy was the first one who publicly said that this was a team of destiny, and I have seen nothing to change that.
But I also remember back in the 90's we we had likely the best team... only to get beaten/swept(?) by the Mets in the 1st round of the playoffs.
That was an Estes team, and I still remember him sliding into 2B...rolling over in pain and not even TRYING to get to the back.
Yeah it hurt!
Happened to me playing ball in Thailand for the Air Force.
I'm running out a double when I tore, yes tore, a hamstring!
Pain was off the charts, but I CRAWLED and CLAWED my way to the bag to beat the throw.
There was no way in hell I was going to roll over and scream like Estes did years late!
He was a cry baby, IMHO, in every sense of the word.
This team is not like that.
They step up, rebound, and plow forward with a tenacity I've never seen in a Giant team before.
The Dodgers are a TON better than we are on paper.
On paper, we have no chance at all.
But as the old saying goes, the game isn't played on paper.
But all the same, I worry.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 8, 2021 16:47:39 GMT -5
During the Dodgers-Cardinals watch party, the Giants supposedly had a poker tournament going so it shows they are keeping things loose.
Until the 2010-2012-2014 Championships, there was always this fear of what could go wrong and probably would. Estes, Maldonado, Cruz, etc come to mind and the 2002 series will still be etched in my memory forever. A big part of the problem in my opinion is no longer part of the organization (sitting in the Astros dugout sucking on toothpicks). Actually, it goes back even further to matty Alou stuck on third, Koufax, Bob Robertson, Cey-Russell-Sax-Garvey, Couldn't quite get over the top even when Giants were peaking.
Post all-star break, the Dodgers were treated like this big elephant in the room that no one could try to match up with. Except, I think Farhan is in the process of creating a bigger elephant. San Francisco might end up being the team everyone is scared of soon.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 8, 2021 18:50:31 GMT -5
Man! That would be nice, Reed!
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Post by reedonly on Oct 14, 2021 10:36:01 GMT -5
I'm being paranoid, I know, but the memories from that abomination of a world series in 1989 just won't go away.
We had, I still believe, the better team...yet got swept.
I fear the same thing now, and honestly, I shouldn't.
As it has been pointed out numerous times, what this team brings to the table simply can't be quantified, explained with any sense of rational thinking.
Winning 107 games... when 73-75 were expected is something I will never forget.
But if we end up getting swept, that will simply add fuel to the fire that "we never really were that good to begin with; we just got lucky"
I don't believe that.
Bochy was the first one who publicly said that this was a team of destiny, and I have seen nothing to change that.
But I also remember back in the 90's we we had likely the best team... only to get beaten/swept(?) by the Mets in the 1st round of the playoffs.
That was an Estes team, and I still remember him sliding into 2B...rolling over in pain and not even TRYING to get to the back.
Yeah it hurt!
Happened to me playing ball in Thailand for the Air Force.
I'm running out a double when I tore, yes tore, a hamstring!
Pain was off the charts, but I CRAWLED and CLAWED my way to the bag to beat the throw.
There was no way in hell I was going to roll over and scream like Estes did years late!
He was a cry baby, IMHO, in every sense of the word.
This team is not like that.
They step up, rebound, and plow forward with a tenacity I've never seen in a Giant team before.
The Dodgers are a TON better than we are on paper.
On paper, we have no chance at all.
But as the old saying goes, the game isn't played on paper.
But all the same, I worry.
This morning, Estes was talking about how guys would want the ball in an elimination game and he said in passing that he wasn't one of those. I guess at the time, the Giants knew it, too and that's why he got run out of town (traded for just Relaford and Shinjo). He referenced his own experience to compare with how Webb would do better. He also felt that Webb has learned to make in-inning adjustments during a game and to recover from a meltdown like he had against San Diego last month.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 14, 2021 14:02:03 GMT -5
That's a great report, Reed! Thanks for posting it!
And it confirms what I always suspected about Estes: Not a gamer.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 14, 2021 15:31:25 GMT -5
I am actually surprised he would own up to it. Most players would not admit something like that.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 22, 2021 20:04:21 GMT -5
I'm very disappointed that Shawn couldn't hold the bag, but I don't know his pain threshold, so I can't say I've walked a mile in his shoes. Reason for skepticism? You bet.
But we just don't know for sure. If we ever met Shawn though, it would be intriguing to discuss the situation -- not in an accusatory manner, but in a learning one. He sounds like a guy who might be honest.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 23, 2021 7:16:26 GMT -5
I’ll never forgive Shawn for limping off second after he sprained his ankle and getting tagged out in the playoffs against the Mets, I think it was game two. He’s become a decent announcer though, although he’ll never replace Krukow, Kuiper Miller or even Flem.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 23, 2021 10:08:33 GMT -5
I’ll never forgive Shawn for limping off second after he sprained his ankle and getting tagged out in the playoffs against the Mets, I think it was game two. He’s become a decent announcer though, although he’ll never replace Krukow, Kuiper Miller or even Flem. I'm with you, Mark.
What a freaking baby.
As I've said before, I done exactly what Shawn did.
I was playing for the Air Force in Thailand, and hammered a ball into the RF gap. About 2/3 of the way to second base my left hamstring went POP, and the pain was off the freaking charts!
We weren't playing for money, as Estes was, but my FIRST THOUGHTS were... "I'm going to GET to 2B! You ain't throwing me out!"
I scrapped and clawed my way to the bag and was safe... and was unable to play for over almost 2 weeks.
Shawn's 1st thoughts likely were: "Ohmygodohmygodohmygod that hurts!"
Not one thought for the team.
Not one.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 23, 2021 15:20:31 GMT -5
I can't imagine doing what Shawn did, but unless I know precisely how Shawn felt, I don't feel right in judging him.
I think it is possible that when someone suffers extreme pain, he literally stops thinking (at least rationally). The closest thing I can think of to Shawn's situation was the last time I dislocated my knee, which happened while batting. I collapsed and had to leave the game. But it was only later when I discussed it with a teammate that I realized I had let out a horrendous scream. My sense is that if I could scream and not even know it, it is possible Shawn literally left his mind briefly.
I greatly admire how you handled your situation, Boly, but there is a timing difference between what you did and what happened to Shawn. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect you went down when you tore the hammy. After the second or two it took you to go down, you then had the presence of mind to scrap and claw your way to the bag. You had time to recover from going down. In Shawn's case, the pain caused him to lose contact with the bag, and he didn't have much time to recover. The damage was already done.
Now, I admire you for what you did, Boly. I certainly don't admire Shawn for how he handled his situation. But since I wasn't in his shoes, I find it hard to condemn him. He may have literally temporarily lost his mind.
Now, I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but I suspect there are some here who are far more forgiving of President Trump for not calling off the dogs for hours on January 6th, when he had PLENTY of time to do the right thing, than they are for a split-second lapse by Estes.
I'll tell you what. One of these days I'll see Shana Alexander, who lives across the street from me and is a team psychologist for the Giants. I'll ask her if it is possible that the pain may have caused Shawn to literally lose him mind for a few seconds.
I'll tell her what you did, Boly, and I'll bet she'll be pretty proud of you.
You told us what you thought Shawn's first thoughts likely were, Boly. I'm going to make a guess that for a brief period of time, he was incapable of thought. Reverting back to my own experience, how in the world could I NOT have known that I screamed out in pain? But I was completely unaware I did so, and despite its loudness, I didn't even hear it.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 24, 2021 9:07:04 GMT -5
Honestly Rig if you have never been in that situation you cannot possibly understand.
You can and DO continue to think.
The Brain does not shut down. Not at all.
Mine and his were different.
My first thoughts were to be SAFE at 2nd.
Mine were team oriented his were not and for both of us actions spoke louder than words
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Post by reedonly on Oct 24, 2021 10:32:07 GMT -5
I’ll never forgive Shawn for limping off second after he sprained his ankle and getting tagged out in the playoffs against the Mets, I think it was game two. He’s become a decent announcer though, although he’ll never replace Krukow, Kuiper Miller or even Flem. He's developed into a decent announcer and provided good insight during his morning show on Thursdays during the regular season. Doing better than George Kontos, for sure. One guy who might have made a good announcer was Montefusco but after an arrest in 1997, the Giants probably wouldn't want to have anything to do with him. With Kuiper's health issues, Estes is the first man up to get more chances.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 24, 2021 12:38:49 GMT -5
I totally agree with you about Shawn Estes being a decent studio analyst, Reed.
He does provide many good insights and a pretty decent analysis of what's going on.
I like him in the studio, but not in the booth.
Then again, if I compare him to Mark Grant, Shawn Estes comes out on top, and by a large, large, large, margin.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 24, 2021 14:28:37 GMT -5
With regard to how brains react to pain, I suspect -- but don't know for sure -- that different brains react differently. What I'm almost sure of though is that we're talking about a psychological area none of us here is properly trained in to speak with much certainty.
A question for you, Boly. You say that if I haven't been in that situation I cannot understand. That kind of backs up my point that since we haven't been in SHAWN'S brain, we may not be able to understand his particular situation. And I did point out the time I collapsed to the ground when my knee popped out of joint, but had no idea that I had screamed. The pain was certainly intense, and apparently it was so intense that I didn't even realize and didn't even hear my own scream of agony.
I pointed out how I had been in a similar situation to what we were talking about. I was batting, not running, when it happened. I believe that had I been running, I would have gotten up and tried to get to the base, as you did. I'm guessing getting up off the ground was the toughest part, but depending on how far away from the bag you were, it must all have been agony.
But I know for sure that the pain I experienced caused me not to realize I had screamed and shut out my ability to hear myself doing so. I was almost shocked when my friend and teammate said I had screamed.
My point here is that neither you nor I walked a mile in Shawn's shoes. We -- and especially you -- both walked a similar mile, but we walked them in our shoes (bodies), not his.
I said that I admired you and not Shawn for your actions. But I don't feel I have the knowledge or expertise to condemn him. I'm curious though to see if Shana Alexander has learned anything about this particular area of psychology. I know she did excellent work with Drew Robinson, and in fact he and his dog visited her at her house about a month ago. I suspect they now work together, perhaps fairly closely.
Hey, I could be all wet here. But knowing how little I know here, I feel it is fair to give Shawn the benefit of the doubt. IMO we are often far too quick to condemn. There is a reason for the saying that we should walk a mile in one's shoes before judging them.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 24, 2021 14:30:03 GMT -5
As for announcers, Randy Winn is growing on me a little. I've never thought much of him as an announcer, but he's one heck of a guy, and I do think his announcing is improving.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 24, 2021 14:37:23 GMT -5
As for announcers, Randy Winn is growing on me a little. I've never thought much of him as an announcer, but he's one heck of a guy, and I do think his announcing is improving. I like Randy... but he needs to SPEAK as one college educated.
It's VERSUS... not verse.
Sheesh! That ticks me off!
A verse is a line in a poem or a song...
VERSUS means against!
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Post by reedonly on Oct 24, 2021 14:53:06 GMT -5
With regard to how brains react to pain, I suspect -- but don't know for sure -- that different brains react differently. What I'm almost sure of though is that we're talking about a psychological area none of us here is properly trained in to speak with much certainty. A question for you, Boly. You say that if I haven't been in that situation I cannot understand. That kind of backs up my point that since we haven't been in SHAWN'S brain, we may not be able to understand his particular situation. And I did point out the time I collapsed to the ground when my knee popped out of joint, but had no idea that I had screamed. The pain was certainly intense, and apparently it was so intense that I didn't even realize and didn't even hear my own scream of agony. I pointed out how I had been in a similar situation to what we were talking about. I was batting, not running, when it happened. I believe that had I been running, I would have gotten up and tried to get to the base, as you did. I'm guessing getting up off the ground was the toughest part, but depending on how far away from the bag you were, it must all have been agony. But I know for sure that the pain I experienced caused me not to realize I had screamed and shut out my ability to hear myself doing so. I was almost shocked when my friend and teammate said I had screamed. My point here is that neither you nor I walked a mile in Shawn's shoes. We -- and especially you -- both walked a similar mile, but we walked them in our shoes (bodies), not his. I said that I admired you and not Shawn for your actions. But I don't feel I have the knowledge or expertise to condemn him. I'm curious though to see if Shana Alexander has learned anything about this particular area of psychology. I know she did excellent work with Drew Robinson, and in fact he and his dog visited her at her house about a month ago. I suspect they now work together, perhaps fairly closely. Hey, I could be all wet here. But knowing how little I know here, I feel it is fair to give Shawn the benefit of the doubt. IMO we are often far too quick to condemn. There is a reason for the saying that we should walk a mile in one's shoes before judging them. I have a theory that its because he's a left handed pitcher. Those guys are wired differently.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 24, 2021 14:59:04 GMT -5
Randy should indeed be able to say that right. I believe he might have a degree in ... accounting (which I don't, by the way). He worked as an intern for my friend's accounting firm in Walnut Creek, and they still play golf together.
I'm pretty sure Randy knows the difference between versus and a verse. He likely is sloppy in his pronunciation, which he shouldn't be. I'm pretty sure his mom is (or was) a doctor, and his father may have been as well.
Perhaps his biggest weakness is that he doesn't have a true announcer's voice.
Speaking of announcers, one of our posters here used to trash Dave Flemming, but Dave has had an excellent career in multiple sports. I will give Dave the compliment of saying he knows a lot more about baseball and the Giants than that critic does.
Two very famous announcers who did work for the Giants: Vince Scully and Joe Garagiola. I remember seeing Al Michaels in spring training addressing the Giants Booster Club in his first season with the Giants. Jon Miller, Lon Simmons and Bill King are of course great announcers who have been associated with the Giants, and I would identify Miller and Simmons with the Giants more than any other team.
Simmons and Miller have been my favorites, although for a single call, I don't think "The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" can be beaten. Pretty much brings tears to my eyes every time.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 24, 2021 15:01:43 GMT -5
During my lifetime, the Giants have been blessed with tremendous announcers. And the four they have now must be as good as any quartet in the business.
My favorite term paper I ever wrote was about announcers. Pretty much wrote it off the top of my head, although I used The Sporting News as my primary reference. Man, those were the days!
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Post by reedonly on Oct 24, 2021 15:04:11 GMT -5
Randy should indeed be able to say that right. I believe he might have a degree in ... accounting (which I don't, by the way). He worked as an intern for my friend's accounting firm in Walnut Creek, and they still play golf together. I'm pretty sure Randy knows the difference between versus and a verse. He likely is sloppy in his pronunciation, which he shouldn't be. I'm pretty sure his mom is (or was) a doctor, and his father may have been as well. Perhaps his biggest weakness is that he doesn't have a true announcer's voice. Speaking of announcers, one of our posters here used to trash Dave Flemming, but Dave has had an excellent career in multiple sports. I will give Dave the compliment of saying he knows a lot more about baseball and the Giants than that critic does. Two very famous announcers who did work for the Giants: Vince Scully and Joe Garagiola. I remember seeing Al Michaels in spring training addressing the Giants Booster Club in his first season with the Giants. Jon Miller, Lon Simmons and Bill King are of course great announcers who have been associated with the Giants, and I would identify Miller and Simmons with the Giants more than any other team. Simmons and Miller have been my favorites, although for a single call, I don't think "The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" can be beaten. Pretty much brings tears to my eyes every time. A good baseball announcer is like a part of the family. Baseball announcers are heard on a daily basis so when Kuiper got sick or when we lost Lon and Hank I was affected.
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 24, 2021 15:31:32 GMT -5
I love your feelings here, Reed. The morning after Lon died, I was driving to work, and I knew before they said who it was that they must be talking about Lon. And, yeah, I couldn't help crying. It was indeed like losing a member of the family.
I've told this story here before, but I don't think you've heard it, Reed. It's one those who know only cell phones might not fully appreciate.
In Joe Angel's first spring training with the Giants, Lon came rushing down from the press box with a phone, breathlessly telling Joe that the station manager wanted to talk to him. The phone was naked, not hooked up to anything, but in his panic, Joe stammered, "Hello? Hello? HELLO?" Only then did he realize he had been had.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 25, 2021 9:38:39 GMT -5
With regard to how brains react to pain, I suspect -- but don't know for sure -- that different brains react differently. What I'm almost sure of though is that we're talking about a psychological area none of us here is properly trained in to speak with much certainty. A question for you, Boly. You say that if I haven't been in that situation I cannot understand. That kind of backs up my point that since we haven't been in SHAWN'S brain, we may not be able to understand his particular situation. And I did point out the time I collapsed to the ground when my knee popped out of joint, but had no idea that I had screamed. The pain was certainly intense, and apparently it was so intense that I didn't even realize and didn't even hear my own scream of agony. I pointed out how I had been in a similar situation to what we were talking about. I was batting, not running, when it happened. I believe that had I been running, I would have gotten up and tried to get to the base, as you did. I'm guessing getting up off the ground was the toughest part, but depending on how far away from the bag you were, it must all have been agony. But I know for sure that the pain I experienced caused me not to realize I had screamed and shut out my ability to hear myself doing so. I was almost shocked when my friend and teammate said I had screamed. My point here is that neither you nor I walked a mile in Shawn's shoes. We -- and especially you -- both walked a similar mile, but we walked them in our shoes (bodies), not his. I said that I admired you and not Shawn for your actions. But I don't feel I have the knowledge or expertise to condemn him. I'm curious though to see if Shana Alexander has learned anything about this particular area of psychology. I know she did excellent work with Drew Robinson, and in fact he and his dog visited her at her house about a month ago. I suspect they now work together, perhaps fairly closely. Hey, I could be all wet here. But knowing how little I know here, I feel it is fair to give Shawn the benefit of the doubt. IMO we are often far too quick to condemn. There is a reason for the saying that we should walk a mile in one's shoes before judging them. I have a theory that its because he's a left handed pitcher. Those guys are wired differently. I disagree with you about needing to be in Shawn's brain. Anyone that has popped a hamstring while in the process of running knows exactly what it feels like. To me, it's a matter of character, and intestinal fortitude. It's a matter of, yes, I'm hurting, but that's not going to stop me from being safe and helping my team win. You may disagree with me, but that's the way I see
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 25, 2021 9:41:43 GMT -5
I didn't used to care for Dave Fleming, but in the past three years he is improved to 10000 per cent!
I've listen to Vin Scully, Joe garagiola, and countless others.
For decades I always contended that Vin Scully was the best I ever heard, can I still put them up there.
But beyond the Vin Scully, I have never heard anybody better than Duane Kuiper call a game. And I will take Mike krukow over any color commentator I've ever heard.
And that includes Joe Morgan, whom I consider to be the second best I ever heard.
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Post by Islandboagie on Oct 25, 2021 10:39:03 GMT -5
I'm too young to have listened to Lon Simmons or Joe Garagiola in their prime...but I heard Lon when he came back to the Giants in the late 90s and he was terrible in my opinion...as was Garagiola with the Diamondbacks and national broadcasts...it's like they had zero knowledge of today's game or what was currently happening on the field...they only wanted to ramble on about cracker jack and lemonade stands. I can appreciate that, but not when there's someone rounding third in a tie game. It's like listening to Garrison Keillor try to announce a game.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 25, 2021 10:42:24 GMT -5
I'm too young to have listened to Lon Simmons or Joe Garagiola in their prime...but I heard Lon when he came back to the Giants in the late 90s and he was terrible in my opinion...as was Garagiola with the Diamondbacks and national broadcasts...it's like they had zero knowledge of today's game or what was currently happening on the field...they only wanted to ramble on about cracker jack and lemonade stands. I can appreciate that, but not when there's someone rounding third in a tie game. It's like listening to Garrison Keillor try to announce a game. Lon was good in the 60s but I think nowadays, the average fan is more educated and more discerning so his style would not be acceptable now. there was a lot of dead air and filler (he would go over the positions, previous at-bats, and so forth but seldom much insight). Lon and Russ used to just say what was going on on the field, and that's about it. The deepest that those old guys got was to call a pitch a slider or a curve inside or outside but that's about it. They wouldn't even do things like pitch counts or the importance of moving runners over. It might be because these were radio guys for the most part and not television so the old school guys would try to paint more of a visual picture for the audience who couldn't see it. On television, you can see all that stuff so the analysts have to provide more insight or else you might as well just turn off the sound. And now we have all the information on the screen. Lon was like your 80 year Uncle telling jokes, most of which would make anyone cringe.
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Post by rxmeister on Oct 25, 2021 12:39:11 GMT -5
Flem was terrible when he started, I got the impression he would forget he was on the radio and the listeners couldn’t see what was happening. He’d say “popped it up” and in my mind I would see a harmless out and a few seconds later would say it was a foul ball back in the stands. Used to drive me nuts! He certainly got straightened out on that by somebody, and he’s excellent now. Krukow, Kuip and Miller are all elite. Scully of course was legendary and told great stories, but if you listened to him for an entire series he would tell the same story about each player every night. Garagiola was average at best to me, but it’s hard for national announcers to know each team that well. When Joe was starting out, both he and Phil Rizzuto were in the Yankees broadcast booth with the legendary Red Barber. Unfortunately for them, Barber was strictly old school and really resented that ex jocks were handed major league announcing jobs when he had worked decades to get into that booth. He treated them with such open disdain that the Yankees felt they had no choice but to let him go and stick with the younger guys.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 25, 2021 15:30:05 GMT -5
Flem was terrible when he started, I got the impression he would forget he was on the radio and the listeners couldn’t see what was happening. He’d say “popped it up” and in my mind I would see a harmless out and a few seconds later would say it was a foul ball back in the stands. Used to drive me nuts! He certainly got straightened out on that by somebody, and he’s excellent now. Krukow, Kuip and Miller are all elite. Scully of course was legendary and told great stories, but if you listened to him for an entire series he would tell the same story about each player every night. Garagiola was average at best to me, but it’s hard for national announcers to know each team that well. When Joe was starting out, both he and Phil Rizzuto were in the Yankees broadcast booth with the legendary Red Barber. Unfortunately for them, Barber was strictly old school and really resented that ex jocks were handed major league announcing jobs when he had worked decades to get into that booth. He treated them with such open disdain that the Yankees felt they had no choice but to let him go and stick with the younger guys. Flemming has made such great progress that he's getting a number of national assignments as well as Stanford
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Post by sharksrog on Oct 25, 2021 16:37:10 GMT -5
The Giants are blessed with all four announcers, although I think Jon Miller is the best. But for PAIRINGS, I'm not sure there is a duo better than Kruk and Kuip.
The first time I saw Jon was in spring training in the 70's. I remember he was wearing shorts and just having a good old time doing the game. I had no idea who he was, but we just happened to sit near Jon and Monte Moore.
What I liked best about Lon was his sense of humor, which IMO set him apart from Russ Hodges. I think my favorite football call may have been his call of Steve Young's long touchdown run against the Vikings. One of the things I loved about Lon was that his voice would break with emotion at exciting moments, making them all the more exciting.
I know Don was critical of Vince Scully, and I'm sure Vince faded a bit in the later years. But Vince could paint a beautiful portrait with his words, and while I recall he made an error regarding Denard Span, I thoroughly enjoyed his calling that inning for the Giants the final day of his career.
There have been a ton of excellent announcers over the years (Al Michaels is one of my favorites), but has anyone in any sport been better than Vince? That said, while Bill King was just average in baseball IMO, he was fabulous at both football and basketball.
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Post by reedonly on Oct 26, 2021 8:55:39 GMT -5
I have a theory that its because he's a left handed pitcher. Those guys are wired differently. I disagree with you about needing to be in Shawn's brain. Anyone that has popped a hamstring while in the process of running knows exactly what it feels like. To me, it's a matter of character, and intestinal fortitude. It's a matter of, yes, I'm hurting, but that's not going to stop me from being safe and helping my team win. You may disagree with me, but that's the way I see Actually, what I remember most about that series was not Shawn Estes but I remember lack of timely hitting and the bullpen getting lit up. Also, we couldn't hit Bobby Jones.
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Post by klaiggeb on Oct 26, 2021 9:48:45 GMT -5
I'm too young to have listened to Lon Simmons or Joe Garagiola in their prime...but I heard Lon when he came back to the Giants in the late 90s and he was terrible in my opinion...as was Garagiola with the Diamondbacks and national broadcasts...it's like they had zero knowledge of today's game or what was currently happening on the field...they only wanted to ramble on about cracker jack and lemonade stands. I can appreciate that, but not when there's someone rounding third in a tie game. It's like listening to Garrison Keillor try to announce a game. boagie, that explains why I didn't care for Lon Simmons and thought he wasn't particularly good; I caught him when he CAME BACK to the team, not in his prime.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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