|
Post by donk33 on Feb 13, 2015 15:33:17 GMT -5
Thank goodness that Spring Training is about to start and we can get back to writing about what is happening on the field.....Bochy always is slow to act, most of his work is near the trade date line....Sabean has always said the ball park is built for speed and pitching...and then he goes out to get an aging, slow footed slugger.
Did any one see the Affeldt interview on MLB., with Posey sitting close by, when he said that when he beckons Posey to the mound, Posey is petulant and does little talking. This is what I keep saying about Posey, he very rarely goes to mound on his own, and when he does go to the mound he does very little talking. My observation about the pitchers body language was that they don't really like to pitch to the guy despite what they say in public...
Aoki is a puzzle for me...isn't he Blanco with a different cover....he did very little in the WS and was moved around in the outfield and benched in the late innings,,,both Aoki and Blanco hit better against LH pitchers and would be hurt by platooning them with a RH hitter..
No one has replied with my post on how Posey was rated by the Fielding experts in the James Annual....every one of the pro experts say that Posey has to move to 1B because he wears done too easily catching...I would still move Posey to first and Belt to LF. do it now, not later...
This board is giving up too quickly on Sanchez...he is better than he appeared last year when he was all banged up...Susac and Sanchez can handle the catching....
The early reports on the pro's rating of the Giants seems to be in sync with down rating Panik...his WS numbers suffered almost as bad as Posey's..but they still are high on Posey
|
|
sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
Posts: 90
|
Post by sfgdood on Feb 13, 2015 17:21:39 GMT -5
I didn't give up on Hector but that cranium is going to be an issue for the rest of his life, that's just a fact. It's also a fact that Buster isn't moving anytime soon so you might want to change the record, pops
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 13, 2015 19:21:25 GMT -5
Don -- Aoki is a puzzle for me...isn't he Blanco with a different cover.. Rog -- They are certainly similar in results. Aoki has much better bat control, while Blanco may have a little more power. They're both fast on the bases. Blanco is the better fielder, while Aoki is the better fielder. Suffice it to say that if Pagan and Pence stay healthy, neither Aoki nor Blanco should be overworked. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3RfqtcLFZ
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 13, 2015 19:25:38 GMT -5
Don -- No one has replied with my post on how Posey was rated by the Fielding experts in the James Annual... Rog -- I don't remember if it was specifically in answer to your question, but I posted about Buster, who fell to 8th this season. Lucroy, Martin, Molina and Perez were ranked well above the others. I did hear today that Buster ranked #1 among all major league catchers in pitch framing last season. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1#ixzz3Rfrfz6Jm
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 13, 2015 19:27:23 GMT -5
|
|
sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
Posts: 90
|
Post by sfgdood on Feb 13, 2015 20:01:19 GMT -5
Not arguing, just stating facts...if you have an issue with one of those feel free to let me know where I'm in error
|
|
|
Post by donk33 on Feb 14, 2015 0:56:57 GMT -5
dk..this is the guy that doesn't like being called names....
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 14, 2015 3:32:33 GMT -5
El Dooderion -- Not arguing, just stating facts...if you have an issue with one of those feel free to let me know where I'm in error Rog -- You were in error when you derogatorily called Don "Pops." I agree with what you said, just not the juvenile way you said it. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3Rhqk3JrJ
|
|
|
Post by klaiggeb on Feb 14, 2015 11:20:37 GMT -5
Don -- Aoki is a puzzle for me...isn't he Blanco with a different cover..
***boly says****
Don, for me, it's not even close.
Not even in the same galaxy.
Aoki has a different swing, a TOTALLY different type of hitter.
Look at their OBP and BA over their careers.
Aoki's are considerably better.
Blanco is, IMHO, easily the better defender, and with more pop.
Until I see Aoki being selfish, which I've never seen or read about to date, I'll take HIM, in a heartbeat over Blanco.
boly
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 14, 2015 13:28:43 GMT -5
Boly -- Until I see Aoki being selfish, which I've never seen or read about to date, I'll take HIM, in a heartbeat over Blanco. Rog -- I like Aoki too, but I think it's a lot closer than that. Nori's career numbers of .287/.353/.387/.711 are easily better than Blanco's .257/.344/.344/.688, but his ,285/.349/.360/.710 last season was just three ticks ahead of Blanco's .260/.333/.374/.707. If we remember the huge hole Blanco dug for himself early last season, his bounce back was quite impressive. Given that Blanco is clearly the better fielder, I think the gap is smaller than might be thought. Boly is right on the button that they are very different types of hitters. Aoki is a contact hitter who occasionally shows some power. Blanco is a swing-away guy who sometimes makes contact. I doubt I'll have time to research this anytime soon (going away for Valentine's Day weekend), but I would be willing to bet that Nori advances more runners with his outs, and Gregor advances runners further with his his. At bat I prefer Nori. In the field, it's Gregor. I think it comes down to how much more one values offense over defense. And while I give Nori the edge, I think it's a lot closer than it might seem. Fan Graphs actually thinks Gregor is better. It gives him 7.2 WAR the past three seasons, 1.0 more than Nori. Given that Gregor played less, his advantage as measured by Fan Graphs is even higher. Does this indicate Gregor is a better player than Nori? Not necessarily. But it would seem to point in the direction of their being fairly close in value. I see Gregor as being a 4th outfielder. But I also see him as one of the game's better 4th outfielders. As a part-time player, he has scored 157 runs over the past three years while driving home 113. For a guy who usually bats near the bottom of the order, that's pretty good. Especially when one couples it with strong defense. I'd better not keep looking at this too long, or I will start to prefer Gregor! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3RkCZFSGA
|
|
|
Post by Islandboagie on Feb 14, 2015 15:06:34 GMT -5
Very similar players, Blanco has slightly more pop, Aoki gets on base a bit more. I hope Bochy decides to go with the hot hand with these two.
|
|
|
Post by klaiggeb on Feb 14, 2015 17:21:56 GMT -5
Though I understand "why" you see them as similar, Boagie, on a scale of 1-10, I disagree 7.
Aoki is an OBP guy, Blanco is not
Blanco doesn't steal bases nearly as well.
Blanco has a longer swing, and much more power; albeit not huge by any means.
Blanco is, IMHO, a far superior outfielder.
Aoki is a better hitter for average,a nd in his career, has not been prone to the proglonge slumps of Blanco.
Given the choice, for me, there isn't a choice; Aoki in a heart beat.
boly
|
|
|
Post by Islandboagie on Feb 14, 2015 20:30:27 GMT -5
The key point you made is that Aoki isn't prone to long slumps like Blanco, which is why Aoki will get the starting job over Blanco. But Blanco does get on base, his .344 career obp is only 9 points lower than Aoki's. If Aoki goes cold and Blanco gets hot, to me, giving Blanco a few starts is a no-brainer.
|
|
|
Post by klaiggeb on Feb 15, 2015 10:15:42 GMT -5
Don, in response to your comments on Posey... remember, I've long been saying that, as a catcher, he's "average," at best.
I've also advocated heavily for moving him out from behind the plate.
I wanted him at 3B, since he played so much SS, and with his arm, it should be a relatively easy transition.
Maybe after this season, if McGehee doesn't do much, or walks if he does, they'll do what they should have done this off season.
Then again, they likely won't.
Stubborn is how I see managment on this issue, stubborn.
boly
|
|
|
Post by klaiggeb on Feb 15, 2015 10:17:25 GMT -5
Boagie, you've long liked Blanco more than I did, or do.
Even if Aoki gets cold, other than a day or two starting in his, I don't want him on the field because that means he has to hit.
I've said many times he needs to change his stroke. His swing is too long, has a loop in it at the top, and thus he's too prone to prolonged slumps.
boly
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 14:18:07 GMT -5
Boly -- I've said many times he needs to change his stroke. His swing is too long, has a loop in it at the top, and thus he's too prone to prolonged slumps. Rog -- No doubt you're right, just as you would be if you said that Aoki is too slappy. But this isn't about form; it's about production. And last season, despite a very poor start when he was mostly coming off the bench (behind Morse and at times even Colvin), Blanco hit just about as well as Aoki last season. Aoki is a pretty consistent hitter. Where he slumps is with his limited power. In the months of May through August last season, he had 14 extra base hits -- 11 doubles, triples and his lone home run of the season. He had only seven hits all season that were longer than a double. Clearly Blanco is the better fielder. Because of that, he has been rated slightly higher than Aoki in Wins Above Replacement (WAR). Aoki has had the edge as a hitter over their careers; Blanco as a fielder. The higher one values hitting compared to defense, the more likely he is to choose Aoki as the better player. The higher one values fielding, the more likely he is to choose Blanco. There is little wrong with Aoki's fielding; Blanco's is simply better. Neither one is a great hitter. Their base running is about the same. Both his lefties about as well as righties. Aside from the obvious answer "when he's in a slump," you know when to give Nori a rest? That's against finesse pitchers. Blanco does his best hitting against finesse pitchers, while Nori does his worst. The two hitters approach their at bats in far different manners. But the results they get aren't horribly different. Aoki hits for more average; Blanco hits for better power. Aoki makes far more consistent contact, which makes him less streaky. But when one gets to the bottom line, their results aren't a tremendous amount. I don't think the offensive advantage Aoki enjoys over Blanco is as much as the defensive advantage Blanco enjoys over Aoki. Which player is better and by how much depends on how one values offense compared to defense. And how much he values consistency versus explosiveness. The best way to use them is to start the one who is likely to get the better results in a particular game. Aoki will likely receive the vast majority of starts, but their should be little drop off when Blanco starts in his stead. And on days in which a finesse pitcher is throwing for the opposition and the Giants are starting a fly ball pitcher, Blanco is more likely to be the better player. Another way to look at the situation is that Aoki is likely the better leadoff man, and Blanco is the better hitter when RBI's and other base advancement via hits are needed. Here's what I think: When it comes to hitting the RIGHT way, there is a significant difference between the two. When it comes to overall results, there isn't. When we say it isn't close between the two, we must be looking more at form than results. True, Blanco is easily the most streaky of the two hitters. But the Giants' best hitter, Buster Posey, is also a notorious streak hitter. As was likely their best hitter of all time, Willie Mays. If we want consistency, put Aoki out there (except against finesse pitchers). If we want defense and similar overall results at the plate, start Blanco. If we want a lead off hitter, start Aoki. If we want a hitter third or lower in the order, start Blanco. Based on results, that's the way to do it -- at least as far as I have been able to find. I may try to look further into Aoki's ability to drive in runs. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3Rw0vXu4N
|
|
sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
Posts: 90
|
Post by sfgdood on Feb 16, 2015 15:59:53 GMT -5
Aoki is a pretty consistent hitter. Where he slumps is with his limited power. In the months of May through August last season, he had 14 extra base hits -- 11 doubles, triples and his lone home run of the season. He had only seven hits all season that were longer than a double.
Dood - that is just flat out pathetic
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 18:25:26 GMT -5
Rog -- Aoki is a pretty consistent hitter. Where he slumps is with his limited power. In the months of May through August last season, he had 14 extra base hits -- 11 doubles, triples and his lone home run of the season. He had only seven hits all season that were longer than a double. Dood - that is just flat out pathetic Rog -- In and of itself, yes. But what counts is a player's overall performance. For Aoki, that wasn't bad. Billy North was considered a pretty good leadoff man, and yet his .261/.365/.323/.688 career marks weren't all that different than Aoki's .287/.353/.387/.341 career numbers. The biggest difference between the two was that Aoki has had a fair amount more power. You may cite that Billy led the league in steals two different times. That is an excellent point -- but he also led the league in caught stealings FOUR times, meaning he wasn't helping his team much with his stealing. Another way to look at it is that Mike Morse's defense was as bad as Aoki's lack of power. It's the overall package that matters most. Miami is expected to play Mike at first base this season, and I think his defense is incrementally better there. Still, if the Giants had re-signed Morse, I would have recommended he make the move to first, with Belt moving to left field. I believe you started off with unrealistic expectations this off-season, and I don't think there was any reasonable way you would have been pleased. Here's the ironic thing: A year ago, before Morse was signed by the Giants, there was lament here that certainly the Giants could have put together a better package to acquire Aoki than Will Smith, the southpaw the Royals traded to acquire Nori. At that time it was pointed out that Smith was a decent reliever and also had been a starter. He went on to lead the league in games pitched for the Brewers in 2014. The point is that a year ago some thought Aoki would make a good left fielder for the Giants. Now all of a sudden, he's viewed by some here as garbage. Aoki isn't a great player, but he's likely the best leadoff man the Giants have. Morse wasn't the Giants best at much of anything, and he was quite likely their WORST fielder. I like Mike, but the difference between him and Aoki likely isn't nearly as much as you think. Here's something that would make a nice coincidence. A year before they acquired him, I had brought up how it would have been nice to acquire Morse, and he did well once they did. A year ago someone or someones here posted that it would have been nice to acquire Aoki. Maybe Nori too can make good a year later. One advantage Aoki might have is that he performed well in his year before the Giants, whereas Morse did not. The Giants do not have a roster of players as good as they had last October when they won the World Series. What they do have though is a better roster of AVAILABLE players. Don't you agree that the Giants are better this season in left, center and starters two through four than they were in October? And worse only at third base? So which is it? Were the Giants lucky to win the World Series in October, or are they better now than you're giving them credit for? Don't you remember that the Giants went into 2010, 2012 and 2014 with question marks? It's how they answer those question that counts. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3Rx2mXjeN
|
|
|
Post by donk33 on Feb 16, 2015 18:56:35 GMT -5
The pitching is not the same this year as last because we knew Cain was healthy and he still a question mark this year...also we have seen that Hudson, Vogey and Tim have been declining...another strong question mark is the pen...they got a lot out of the pen last year and it is always questionable if relievers can put 2 good years in a row....also, we thought we would see a return of Scutaro, a trim Pablo,etc.
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 18:59:37 GMT -5
Don -- The pitching is not the same this year as last because we knew Cain was healthy and he still a question mark this year.. Rog -- We don't know for sure if Matt is healthy now, although the signs and Matt's own comments indicate he is. But last October we knew he WASN'T healthy -- and yet the Giants won the World Series without him. You don't think they can be competitive this season WITH him? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3RxJ8Xut9
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 19:01:09 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 19:08:19 GMT -5
Don -- another strong question mark is the pen...they got a lot out of the pen last year and it is always questionable if relievers can put 2 good years in a row. Rog -- You make a good point here. Relievers can be VERY inconsistent from year to year. Yet the Giants have had consistently good relief pitching since the 2010 trade deadline when they picked up Lopez and Ramirez. They have overcome the loss of their closer, Brian Wilson, and now have two different pitchers who can close well. They have two southpaw relievers that are the envy of most teams. They have six starters, meaning they may have a backup for Yusmeiro Petit, considered by some to be the best long man in the game. They have two highly-rated rookie relievers who can throw close to 100 mph. None of these things guarantee success by the bullpen this season -- but almost every other teams would trade bullpens with the Giants. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1#ixzz3RxKCXZxX
|
|
sfgdood
Long time member
stats geeks never played the game...that's why they don't get it and never will
Posts: 90
|
Post by sfgdood on Feb 16, 2015 20:38:22 GMT -5
Another way to look at it is that Mike Morse's defense was as bad as Aoki's lack of power.
Dood - I totally disagree with this. Mike is no threat to win a gold glove but I don't believe he is as bad with the glove that most here do. I think it was a mistake to sit him against St. Louis and KC in postseason. I can't recall a play of his as bad as Ishikawa's in Game 5 of the NLCS that would have cost us the game were it not for the power in Michael's bat.
I believe you started off with unrealistic expectations this off-season, and I don't think there was any reasonable way you would have been pleased.
Dood - you're right. I unrealistically expected the Giants to have the balls and desire to close deals finally. Sadly this expectation fell short yet again.
Here's the ironic thing: A year ago, before Morse was signed by the Giants, there was lament here that certainly the Giants could have put together a better package to acquire Aoki than Will Smith, the southpaw the Royals traded to acquire Nori. At that time it was pointed out that Smith was a decent reliever and also had been a starter. He went on to lead the league in games pitched for the Brewers in 2014.
Dood - he's also a pretty good actor and rap artist.
The point is that a year ago some thought Aoki would make a good left fielder for the Giants.
Dood - not me
Now all of a sudden, he's viewed by some here as garbage.
Dood - I don't think I ever put it quite like that. He might serve a purpose if we didn't already have a leadoff man. But we do...and Bochy has stated he will not lead off with Aoki. Thus the ACQUISITION was not a good one.
Aoki isn't a great player, but he's likely the best leadoff man the Giants have.
Dood - which, again, might mean something if Bochy planned to use him in that role. He doesn't
The Giants do not have a roster of players as good as they had last October when they won the World Series. What they do have though is a better roster of AVAILABLE players.
Dood - Exsqueeze me??
Don't you agree that the Giants are better this season in left, center and starters two through four than they were in October? And worse only at third base?
Dood - Defensively maybe. Offensively we are worse at both LF and 3B...and the difference at 3B is huge. As for the starters, that's POSSIBLE but no sure thing given all the question marks. If we only needed 4 starters instead of 5 (as in postseason) then I would feel a little better about the rotation...but the more pressing question is how much worse will our rotation be compared not to ours in October but compared to those of LA and SD.
So which is it? Were the Giants lucky to win the World Series in October, or are they better now than you're giving them credit for?
Dood - the Giants were a bit lucky to hold on to the final playoff spot after being the best team in baseball for the first 2 months of the season. In October they showed their mettle in some tough short series. They got hot you might say at the right time. The Panda and MadBum pretty much put the team on their backs. One of those guys is gone and the other, well as great as he is, he is entering uncharted waters, coming off a huge workload.
Don't you remember that the Giants went into 2010, 2012 and 2014 with question marks? It's how they answer those question that counts.
Dood - agreed...and they went into 2011 and 2013 with high expectations that fizzled quickly. Unfortunately 2015 is another odd year and instead of getting better we got worse in the offseason.
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 22:36:53 GMT -5
Boly -- Aoki is an OBP guy, Blanco is not Rog -- The difference is small -- .353 for Aoki to .344 for Blanco. Boly -- Blanco doesn't steal bases nearly as well. Rog -- This one isn't true. If we look at Blanco's career, he has stolen 82 bases in 111 attempts, a 74% rate. Nori has stolen 68 bases in 95 attempts, a .71% rate. If we look at the past three seasons (Aoki's career in the major leagues), Nori maintains the same 68-95, while Gregor falls to 56 for 76. That's still 74%. Nori has played more often, which has given him more steal attempts than Gregor, but on the margin he has stolen 12 more bases than Gregor in 19 more attempts. That's only 63% on the incremental attempts. So far Gregor has actually been slightly the BETTER base stealer, although it's very close. If we look at last season only, Gregor stole 16 bases in 21 attempts. Nori stole 17 bases in 25 attempts. That's one more steals in four more attempts by Nori. Slight edge to Gregor.. From what I have seen, their overall base running is pretty close, as well. Boly -- Blanco has a longer swing, and much more power; albeit not huge by any means. Rog -- This is something of a shocker, but over their careers, Nori has had slightly more power, averaging 1.36 bases per hit to Blanco's 1.34. Last season though, Gregor held a significant edge, 1.44 bases to 1.26. Because of the large difference last season in Blanco's favor, I would give him the advantage, but it is a small one. Boly -- Blanco is, IMHO, a far superior outfielder. Rog -- As much premium as you put on defense, Boly, I'm surprised this doesn't seem to carry more weight with you. Boly -- Aoki is a better hitter for average,a nd in his career, has not been prone to the proglonge slumps of Blanco. Given the choice, for me, there isn't a choice; Aoki in a heart beat. Rog -- As I put all the pieces together, here is what I see: . Batting average -- large advantage to Aoki. . Getting on base -- small advantage to Aoki. . Base stealing and running -- small advantage to Blanco. . Power -- small (but growing) advantage to Blanco. . Fielding -- clear advantage to Blanco. . Consistency -- large advantage to Aoki. Does Aoki's greater batting average, resultant better on-base percentage and consistency trump Blanco's base stealing, power and most importantly, fielding advantage? I think one can argue that either way, but I don't see either of them having a huge advantage over the other. Remember, because of his better fielding, Blanco has a better Wins Above Replacement (WAR) than Nori. The difference isn't large, but when adjusted for how often each has been on the field, the advantage becomes a bit more meaningful. We have discussed that while WAR is a good measure by which to compare players, it is far from perfect. One thing it is though is objective, which I'm not sure is the case in your evaluation, Boly. If you gave the advantage to Aoki, I wouldn't argue much. But when you say it isn't even close, I feel you wander astray. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food#ixzz3Ry4HbvU9
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 16, 2015 22:45:11 GMT -5
Rog -- Another way to look at it is that Mike Morse's defense was as bad as Aoki's lack of power. Dood - I totally disagree with this. Mike is no threat to win a gold glove but I don't believe he is as bad with the glove that most here do. Rog -- I thought he was able to hide his deficiencies pretty well the first half, but it caught up with him as the season went along. The metrics place him as something like the 3rd-worst outfielder in the big leagues. El Dooderino -- I think it was a mistake to sit him against St. Louis and KC in postseason. I can't recall a play of his as bad as Ishikawa's in Game 5 of the NLCS that would have cost us the game were it not for the power in Michael's bat. Rog -- I too would have played Mike, health allowing. As for his not making a play as bad as Travis', IIRC that was one of over aggressiveness, wasn't it? Mike's problem as that he didn't judge balls too well, and he was slow to get to them once he did so. In summary, Nori was one of the worst for power. Mike was one of the worst in the field. I know you're not a big fan of WAR, but because of defense, Aoki's WAR was higher than Morse's. Personally, I would take Mike -- especially with something of an Aoki clone as the fourth outfielder. But I think it is closer than many realize. You don't think Mike was as bad defensively as many here. If not for the metrics and Mike's fall-off as the season went on, I might agree with you. Personally I thought Mike was clearly better at first base than in left field. IMO Blanco is much closer to Aoki than Boly gives him credit for. And as a left fielder, Aoki is closer to Morse than one would think. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1#ixzz3RyCj2x93
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 17, 2015 1:43:25 GMT -5
Rog -- I believe you started off with unrealistic expectations this off-season, and I don't think there was any reasonable way you would have been pleased. Dood - you're right. I unrealistically expected the Giants to have the balls and desire to close deals finally. Sadly this expectation fell short yet again. Rog -- It isn't that the Giants lacked the balls or desire. They lost out on Pablo and Lester for non-financial reasons. They lost out on Shields even though they made him a higher offer than he later accepted. The biggest issue they faced is that just to retain the players they already had, they would have needed to spend in excess of $50 million per season, including committing to Pablo for at least 5 years. That's pretty tough when you've got about $30 million to spend to keep and add free agents. You say the Giants should spend more, but you're not their -- or anyone's, as far as we know -- accountant, so you don't really have a clue about the details of their financial state. Please share with us when you gain access to their financials. Until they, you have little idea what they should or even could be spending. It seems as if every time you are given financial data, you ignore it. You ignore that the Giants consistently are among the top quartile of salary spenders, even though they are in a market that wouldn't usually dictate such a high expenditure. You ignore that most of the big spenders -- both LA teams, San Diego, New York -- have billion dollar media contracts the Giants don't enjoy. You ignore that the Giants are almost the only team paying off their own stadium, even though if their owners hadn't chipped in the money to build a state-of-the-art stadium, you would likely have needed to go to Tampa to watch their home games. Basically, you act like a spoiled child who just keeps complaining in an effort to get what he wants. Let us know how YOU would better have spent the $30 million or so the Giants had in their budget for free agents and trade acquisitions, or just admit that aside from crying that the Giants should spend more money, you've got nothing. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1&scrollTo=26266#ixzz3RyuVgnzH
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 17, 2015 1:52:55 GMT -5
Dood - I don't think I ever put it quite like that. He might serve a purpose if we didn't already have a leadoff man. But we do...and Bochy has stated he will not lead off with Aoki. Thus the ACQUISITION was not a good one. Rog -- How would you have better spent the $4.7 million the Giants guaranteed Aoki? If you don't have a better idea, how can you say the acquisition wasn't a good one? As for saying that the acquisition wasn't a good one because Bochy has stated he won't lead off with Aoki, wouldn't that be an indictment more of Bruce's decision than of the acquisition itself? And what makes you think that if the Giants aren't playing well we won't see Nori moved up in the order? You seem to be using assumptions and a lack of logic without even having a reasonable idea for improvement. You just continue to be a broken record that the Giants should spend more money. Let's suppose you ARE right. They aren't going to do so, so you're merely spitting upwind. Come up with something meaningful rather than continuing your broken record approach. Any fool can come up with better ideas of how to spend the Giants' money if they had $20 million more in their budget. It takes a keen observer to come up with something better that was within their budget and actually attainable. Not being critical of any political individual or party, but haven't we learned that spending more than we should isn't the answer to everything? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1#ixzz3RyxZrp8i
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 17, 2015 1:56:05 GMT -5
Rog -- The Giants do not have a roster of players as good as they had last October when they won the World Series. What they do have though is a better roster of AVAILABLE players. Dood - Exsqueeze me?? Rog -- In October the Giants had Pablo and Morse available, but they didn't have Cain, Pagan, Aoki or McGehee. They had a better roster, but not all the roster was available as it hopefully is now or will be soon. You're exsqueezed. Oh, man, are you exsqueezed. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1#ixzz3RyzrdwDv
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 17, 2015 2:00:26 GMT -5
Rog -- Don't you remember that the Giants went into 2010, 2012 and 2014 with question marks? It's how they answer those question that counts. Dood - agreed...and they went into 2011 and 2013 with high expectations that fizzled quickly. Unfortunately 2015 is another odd year and instead of getting better we got worse in the offseason. Rog -- So you're saying that the Giants have entered each of the past five seasons with question marks and that despite those, they have won three World Series in the past five seasons? Believe it or not, the Giants didn't enter 2011 or 2013 with more fewer questions than they had entering 2010, 2012, 2014 -- or now. In fact, they seemed to enter into the season with fewer perceived question marks. You have little idea what will happen in the 2015 season, and yet here you are bitching away as if you had a clue. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/2709/food?page=1#ixzz3Rz0qTqEI
|
|
|
Post by Rog on Feb 17, 2015 2:01:24 GMT -5
Clearly you had little or no clue in August of 2012 or 2014, Randy. What makes you think you have one now?
|
|