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Post by rxmeister on Dec 3, 2013 10:43:36 GMT -5
They actually tendered all five arbitration eligible players, who were Brandon Belt, Tony Abreu, Yusmeiro Petit, Joaquin Arias and Gregor Blanco. No real surprises there, as Petit became more or less mandatory as insurance when they re-signed Vogelsong. Abreu also became more or less a must because of Marco Scutaro's shaky health. They did cut loose Sandy Rosario though, which creates the 40 man roster spot for Ryan Vogelsong. I guess they saw what I did with regards to Rosario, which was a guy who had decent numbers, but got away with a lot of hanging sliders.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 3, 2013 11:23:23 GMT -5
I was surprised by the Rosario move. I thought he had some potential. There's some players that were non-tendered who I think had some value. Garret Jones, Ronald Belisario, JP Arencibia, Dylan Axelrod, Jayson Nix. Not world beaters, but guys who could fill a role for you.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 3, 2013 11:25:46 GMT -5
I like Belisario only on that list, although if they want to pay Garrett Jones to pinch hit and get a rare start, I can deal with that. Keeping Blanco and having the left handed Belt at 1B would prohibit a Jones signing though. Why a rich team like that would not want to go to arbitration with an arm like Belisario's is a surprise to me. With the exception of the elite relievers, most relievers are hit and miss, and Ronald Belisario is as likely to have a bounce back year as anyone they sign to replace him.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 3, 2013 11:58:21 GMT -5
I guess five minutes later, it's becoming clearer. Brian Wilson is going back to the Dodgers after coming close to signing with Detroit. Detroit has signed a different ex Giant to close, Joe Nathan.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 3, 2013 12:27:22 GMT -5
I didn't necessarily mean they had value to the Giants, just that they had value.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 4, 2013 14:01:47 GMT -5
I saw Rosario as having a lot more to offer than Abreiu. Arias can play all infield positions and there is plenty of help on the farm for backup infield roster spots. The only other surprise was Belt...is he really eligible already? Wow time flies and he still hasnt come close to reaching his potential.
I am both cackling at Brian Wilson being brought down a few pegs by the lack of interest in him as a closer and also pissed off that we have to see his scraggly hair for another season. He gets way more attention than he deserves. Here's hoping his elbow blows out on him again!
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Post by allenreed on Dec 4, 2013 15:59:31 GMT -5
Man, you got a mean streak. Wilson's act is definitely more than tired, but I don't wish him any personal harm.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 4, 2013 16:04:51 GMT -5
Never will I have an ounce of pity for those who switch voluntarily from the orange and black over to the dark side in Chavez Latrine. Wilson will be fine once his baseball career is over. There's always money to be made in lala land for those with no shame.
~Dood
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Post by allenreed on Dec 4, 2013 17:17:37 GMT -5
Did Wilson leave the Giants voluntarily, or did they not want him back?
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 4, 2013 17:56:00 GMT -5
Leaving the Giants may not have been voluntary but his choice of the Dodgers certainly was. It was not an accident. Everything Wilson ever does is calculated for some selfish reason.
~Dood
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Post by dk on Dec 4, 2013 19:15:15 GMT -5
I saw Rosario as having a lot more to offer than Abreiu. Arias can play all infield positions and there is plenty of help on the farm for backup infield roster spots. The only other surprise was Belt...is he really eligible already? Wow time flies and he still hasnt come close to reaching his potential. I am both cackling at Brian Wilson being brought down a few pegs by the lack of interest in him as a closer and also pissed off that we have to see his scraggly hair for another season. He gets way more attention than he deserves. Here's hoping his elbow blows out on him again! ~ dk...and what do you call someone who wishes body harm on someone.....especially someone who was the key man on so many wins by your favorite team...you are a.......(fill in the blanks)
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 4, 2013 19:25:19 GMT -5
I am a Giants fan
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Post by allenreed on Dec 4, 2013 19:25:52 GMT -5
So Brian was supposed to decline what he felt was the best offer because it came from the Dodgers?
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 4, 2013 19:29:33 GMT -5
I'm not inclined to believe the offer the Dodgers made was indeed the best one...judging by the lack of a line forming for his services as a closer, it didn't benefit him any more being a Dodger than it might have anyplace else.
~Dood
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Post by allenreed on Dec 4, 2013 19:36:51 GMT -5
Maybe it was the only offer. Maybe he wanted to get back at the Giants for letting him go, and figured that was his best chance to do so. Maybe it was the team that allowed him to stay closest to his home.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 4, 2013 21:48:53 GMT -5
Brian lives in Southern California, and he chose to sign there, I have no problem with that. I can't root for him to pitch well because they're our division rival, but I don't wish injury on him. In fact, pitching ineffectively would help the Giants a lot more than him getting hurt, going on the DL, and having the Dodgers pick up another expensive reliever. Krukow actually had a funny line about him signing with the Dodgers, saying "they don't play music for the eighth inning guy!"
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 5, 2013 11:06:47 GMT -5
Leaving the Giants may not have been voluntary but his choice of the Dodgers certainly was. It was not an accident. Everything Wilson ever does is calculated for some selfish reason.
---boly says--- YES! YES!YES!YES!
Randy, you hit the bullseye dead center!
That IS Brian Wilson!
boly
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 5, 2013 11:12:26 GMT -5
Brian lives in Southern California, and he chose to sign there, I have no problem with that
---boly says---
Mark, with all due respect, I don't believe Brian when he says that.
Was it a factor? Likely. But I don't think it was a huge factor.
Detroit wanted him to CLOSE.
LA will have him set up.
Why would Brian choose to do that? If I believed I was a closer, no way I take that role.
No. I believe this is HIS was of sticking it to the Giants.
I think it's that simple, and that complicated.
boly
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Post by allenreed on Dec 5, 2013 12:13:37 GMT -5
Let's see. Work near his home where there's great weather, or in Detroit, which has lousy weather, is bankrupt, and is basically a war zone. What to do, what to do.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 5, 2013 15:50:51 GMT -5
I see your point Allen, but no matter what the state of any big league city, the millionaire players will be as sheltered from the bad parts as they choose to be. And the weather in Detroit is hardly lousy during the baseball season. If Wilson wanted to live somewhere warm during the winter, he can certainly afford to pay someone to keep an eye on his LA digs from March through October if needs be.
~Dood
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Post by allenreed on Dec 5, 2013 16:33:44 GMT -5
You're talking about Detroit here. Virtually no police services, nor fire services. Packs of wild dogs roam the streets. Murders and robberies are common place. They often don't turn the streetlights on. The wreckage of liberalism. Who wants to live in a place like that? Even if you're a millionaire, you have to go out some time. Tune into a Tiger game in April, May, or September. The weather is pretty bad. Certainly doesn't compare with the weather in LA. Another aspect here is that I would imagine Brian sees a future for himself in showbiz. LA or Detroit, which will facilitate that future? Maybe Brian does want to stick it to the Giants. I'm sure most players want to stick it to a team that got rid of them. Human nature.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 5, 2013 19:28:36 GMT -5
Wilson's deal is said to call for $10 million for this season, with a $9 million player option for next. Pretty good money for a setup guy. I'll go out on a limb and say that was probably the best offer.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2013 0:00:28 GMT -5
Wilson supposedly was close to signing with Detroit, then abruptly told them he was ceasing negotiations because he wanted to stay close to home. I just don't see how he's "sticking it" to the Giants. First of all, the players couldn't care less about a rivalry, only the fans do. Therefore he would only be hurting Giants fans by signing with the Dodgers, and Giants fans loved him, so what motivation would he have to do this?
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 6, 2013 0:42:10 GMT -5
Wilson's a grade A douche, and douchebags, especially those who call LA their homes, tend to do assholic things like show his ass in front of the world by cussing out Larry Baer after the last game of the Giants/Dodgers last series at AT&T. Another would be to use the Tigers as patsies to drive up the Dodgers offer, which he would have accepted all along in order to stick it to the Giants and their fans, who have had far less love for him on Social Media since he turned traitor last season. He knew what to expect but he's feigning indignance anyway. The guy's a selfish LA slimeball now and I wish him nothing but pain.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 6, 2013 12:51:05 GMT -5
Allen -- I was surprised by the Rosario move. Rog -- Me too. Allen -- I thought he had some potential. There's some players that were non-tendered who I think had some value. Garret Jones Rog -- Jones has power, but he's a poor fielder and worse, when it comes to platoon possibilities, a lefty hitter. He also seems to be becoming more and more a first baseman, and the Giants are saying Brandon Belt won't be moved. Maybe Arencibia could be of interest if the Giants were to trade Hector Sanchez. If Belt isn't going to be moved, it seems likely Buster will both catch more and sit more. That would seem to lessen the need at the backup catcher position. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2118#ixzz2miYHaRgV
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 6, 2013 12:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 6, 2013 12:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 6, 2013 12:58:27 GMT -5
Randy -- Wilson's a grade A douche
Rog -- I don't recall you're mentioning that when he was a Giant.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 6, 2013 13:21:18 GMT -5
I cringed every time I saw him with his "friend" the Machine on that cable show and that body suit he wore to the Espys was downright garish and "look at me." I don't really care about those things when the player is doing his job in an adequate fashion and Wilson did that, for the most part, as a Giant. I hate any player that voluntarily switches from orange and black to Dodger blue, but that scene at the owner's box with Larry Baer is really what tipped the scale for me from just general Giants/Dodger hate to pure disgust.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 6, 2013 14:34:49 GMT -5
Randy -- I hate any player that voluntarily switches from orange and black to Dodger blue Rog -- For starters, think about hating not people but their actions. I'm sorry too that you hate Juan Marichal. He is clearly the greatest Giants pitcher of my lifetime. As for Brian Wilson, I've never been a big fan, but I'm pretty sure his first choice last summer was to sign with the Giants. And on their part, they fell out of the race to where it didn't make sense to sign him. I guess we'll never agree on this hating the Dodgers thing. All I can say is that your position is irrational. I realize fan stems from fanatic -- but it doesn't stem from irrational. Don can perhaps address this, but I get the feeling that the Giants/Dodgers rivalry was more even when the two teams were in New York. Maybe the rivalry was even stronger for the Dodgers, since in the early 20th century, the Giants were the more successful team. But now it seems the rivalry is stronger on the part of the NorCal fans. We don't hear Dodgers fans chanting, "Beat SF," do we? Let me throw this one out at you, Randy. I'm at least as big a Giants fan as you, and I don't hate the Dodgers. I don't exactly wish them well, but I certainly don't hate them. I try not to be irrational. If the Giants weren't in the Bay Area, do you think you would root for them? I'm guessing the chances are that you wouldn't. On the contrary, the chances are that I would. I became a big-time Giants fan when I lived first in Cubs territory and later in Cardinals space. In other words, you're more a fan of the San Francisco part of the San Francisco Giants. I'm more a Giants fan, regardless of where they happened to play. So one could make a strong argument that I am more a GIANTS fan than you. I would likely be a fan if they still played in New York (as I was before they moved to SF). You likely wouldn't be. So don't give me this utter crap that you're a bigger Giants fan than I. If you want to say you're a bigger San Francisco fan, possibly. But a bigger GIANTS fan? Highly unlikely. I'm a pure GIANTS fan. You're a SAN FRANCISCO Giants fan. No WONDER you think you have to hate the Dodgers! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2118&page=1#17394#ixzz2mixa4qL2
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