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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 11:31:53 GMT -5
Not only that, but the Spurs were playing their fourth straight on the road and had played the previous night. The Warriors lost the same way they always lose. They're undisciplined, unfocused, and fundamentally inept. They had 24 turnovers leading to 31 Spur points, and there's the difference in the game. The Warriors absolutely owned the boards and the paint, but don't move the ball and get good shots. They just throw the ball around the perimeter until someone hoists up a three. The Spurs were just light years ahead of them fundamentally, so they could beat the W's using their backups. The Spurs played as a team, while the Warriors played as if they had just met in the parking lot 10 minutes before the game. Curry, Thompson and Iguodala combined for 14 turnovers . What's disappointing is that you would have hoped the younger guys would improve during the offseason, maybe work on their game a bit and become better NBA players. Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and Kent Bazemore seem to have actually regressed. I would put Thompson on the trade block while he still has some value, preferably for someone who can actually handle the ball. I'm not sure Barnes or Bazemore have much value now. In fact Bazemore needs to go back to the D league.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 12:41:53 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 12:43:52 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 12:52:22 GMT -5
Allen -- Who were the three players that boosted USF to national prominence in the 70s, and later drew them some NCAA sanctions? Rog -- Cartwright, Boynes, Hardy, and it seems like there was also a tough guard, whom you likely meant instead of Cartwright, who likely was earlier. The guard guy was my favorite of the three, but I can't remember his name. I think he might have been from Chicago. Or I could be all wet here. I'm pretty sure swingman Boynes and power forward Hardy are for real though. This one's too easy for you, Allen, but for others, who was Bill Russell's teammate at both USF and the Celtics? And this is for you too, Allen -- and I'm not sure I know the full answer. Who were the great USF football players who went on to star in the NFL? I think one of them is from your home town, Allen. Sorry to get away from the Giants here. I think I'll try to stop now (at least after I complete any posts that are already there). Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2072&page=2#ixzz2o2RJqzuK
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 12:59:37 GMT -5
Allen -- What other Warrior #1 draft choice had his career (and I think his life) ruined by drugs? Hint: He attended NC State and was dumber than a box of rocks. Rog -- You are thinking of Chris Washburn, but I believe even before that the same thing happened to Dave (Big Daddy) Lattin, who played on the team in Texas (UTEP) which was the first college team to start five blacks IIRC. I was thinking of Bernard's (pronounced by BER-nard by some national announcer --Marv Albert?) brother and suddenly I believe I have the answer. There is another Bernard King who I'm guessing is Bernard's son who played in college and I believe the minor league. Then again, Isiah Thomas isn't related to Isiah Thomas. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2072&page=2#ixzz2o2T4TFxU
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 13:49:01 GMT -5
Does Willoughby refer to ex-Giants pither Jim?
Actually I don't remember Boynes at USF. The three I had in mind were Hardy, Cartwright, and (San) Quentin Dailey. Quentin played for the Bulls, I believe. Maybe that's where you got the Chicago connection.
Correct on the Washburn.
Bernard had a younger bother named Albert, whom I believe went to Maryland. He had a short NBA career, I think, but no big splash. No idea if he was named after the famed blues guitarist.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 13:54:48 GMT -5
Russell's Teammate was KC Jones, no?
Gino Marchetti is one that I remember. Indeed from Antioch. I was school and softball chums with two of his nephews. Can't recall another one for sure. Dan Colchico?
Gino has a nephew named Mark Edward Marchetti, or Mark Eddie Marchetti.
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2013 13:56:53 GMT -5
Even dumber than Chris Washburn was a Detroit Pistons center named Reggie Harding. He was over 7 feet tall and one day he put a ski mask over his head and tried to rob a liquor store that he was a regular customer in. The store owner said, "Is that you, Reggie?" Reggie replied, "No, it ain't me. Give me the money!" They later re enacted this story in the movie "White Men Can't Jump" with one of the characters. Marvin Barnes was another brain surgeon. When he was in the ABA, he noticed that a team flight was actually arriving earlier than it departed, because it was a short flight and there was a one hour time difference. He told a teammate, "I don't know about you, but I ain't getting in no time machine!" His teammate swore he was serious!
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 14:11:18 GMT -5
Reminds me of John Kruk driving by Lake Michigan and asking which ocean it was. The character trying to rob the liquor store in White Men (racist title! ) was played by an NBA star. Name?
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2013 15:50:42 GMT -5
I was thinking of that when I wrote that post. It was Marques Johnson, ex UCLA star.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 16:51:29 GMT -5
Very good. I thought he did a good job. I like that movie, though Rosie Perez's voice is hard to take in large doses.
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 16:54:17 GMT -5
BTW, Marques also had a pretty good NBA career. Mostly with the Bucks, I believe.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 17:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 17:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 17:29:19 GMT -5
Allen -- Actually I don't remember Boynes at USF. The three I had in mind were Hardy, Cartwright, and (San) Quentin Dailey. Quentin played for the Bulls, I believe. Maybe that's where you got the Chicago connection. Rog -- As it turns out, the trio was Hardy, Cartwright and Boynes. Boynes and Hardy left for the NBA after their junior seasons and were replaced by Dailey. Dailey's first USF season was Cartwright's senior season. Boynes and Hardy had short NBA careers, while Dailey had a long one and Cartwright a very long one. I like the (San) Quentin Dailey. How about Quentin (Night and) Dailey? The USF program did indeed shut down and was reopened a few years ago. Its coach is Rex Walters, who is the son of Monte Walters, with whom I reffed and whose place I took in going over game films with the Pac-10 refs immediately Cal games. Monte is a great guy, so I suspect Rex is, as well. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2072&page=3#ixzz2o3YVKy6r
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 19:33:00 GMT -5
Rex was a long range bomber at Kentucky, no?
John Henry Johnson was from Pittsburg. Don't know about the rest, other than that St. Clair ate raw meat, and according to late Detroit Lion John Gordy, once shot a deer, cut the heart out and ate it on the spot.
San Quentin Dailey was an actual nickname fopr that player as he was thought to be something of a criminal. Bill Cartwright was from what Northern California town?
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2013 20:50:08 GMT -5
Allen, I've mentioned before that I'm married to a woman who both looks AND sounds like Rosie Perez. I actually like her voice when she's not angry. When she's yelling though, I wish I had headphones!
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 22:24:33 GMT -5
I think you mentioned that you were married to a Dominican. I don't recall you saying she sounded like Rosie. Too screechy for me. I'm glad she found someone who can appreciate her.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 22:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by allenreed on Dec 20, 2013 22:43:17 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 22:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 22:47:25 GMT -5
Mark -- I was thinking of that when I wrote that post. It was Marques Johnson, ex UCLA star. Rog -- I do believe my friend Josh Adande had a radio show with Marques. Several years ago he was telling me he was on a radio show with someone, and I was so surprised he was on a radio show that I frankly missed who it was. Just recently I think I saw or heard it was with Marques. By the way, I like Marques' work on Pac-12 basketball. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2072&page=3#ixzz2o4rtDavy
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 20, 2013 22:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by dk on Dec 21, 2013 1:30:09 GMT -5
Mark -- I was thinking of that when I wrote that post. It was Marques Johnson, ex UCLA star. Rog -- I do believe my friend Josh Adande had a radio show with Marques. Several years ago he was telling me he was on a radio show with someone, and I was so surprised he was on a radio show that I frankly missed who it was. Just recently I think I saw or heard it was with Marques. By the way, I like Marques' work on Pac-12 basketball. dk...Marques tried to break Wilt's record with women when he was still in college...his room mate, Richard Washington used to get jealous because Marques was never home at night....
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Post by allenreed on Dec 21, 2013 10:54:56 GMT -5
According to Wikipedia, Rex went to Kentucky. Saw Adande working as a sideline reporter for ESPN at the Laker/TWolves game last night.
T-Wolves were wearing the sleeved jerseys recently modeled by the Warriors. I like the look. One of the major drawbacks to basketball is having to look at armpits.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 21, 2013 12:59:08 GMT -5
Allen -- According to Wikipedia, Rex went to Kentucky. Rog -- You know I know more than Wikipedia! I could have sworn that when his dad and I talked about him, he said Kansas, but clearly I was wrong (along with that other time when I thought I waswrong, but I wasn't.) Allen -- Saw Adande working as a sideline reporter for ESPN at the Laker/TWolves game last night. Rog -- How did he do? I've never seen him in that role. Personally, I could do without sideline reporters, although I notice they seem to have gotten better at football games. And I'm pretty cool with "between the glass" reporters at hockey games. They have different observations because of their closeness and different angle, and they seem pretty good at giving the pulse. Initially I didn't like them much, so either they're getting better or I'm getting more used to them. I'm not a fan of between-periods interviews except with the coaches as they come onto the bench, just as I don't too much like managerial interviews from the bench. Talking to a pitching coach such as Dave Righetti I like more. Allen -- T-Wolves were wearing the sleeved jerseys recently modeled by the Warriors. I like the look. One of the major drawbacks to basketball is having to look at armpits. Rog -- I guess I'm getting used to the sleeved look, although it certainly seemed out of place at first. "The City" is still the all-time best basketball jersey, right? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2072&page=3#18003#ixzz2o8JahrOF
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Post by allenreed on Dec 21, 2013 13:24:30 GMT -5
I guess he did Ok. He seems like a nice enough guy. I don't watch that other show he's on, where the sportswriter talks and the points go up and down. Can't even remember the name of it now.
I liked the City jerseys. Especially the cable car on the back. I can even go with the Tshirt under the tank top.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 21, 2013 13:55:39 GMT -5
Allen -- I guess he did Ok. He seems like a nice enough guy. I don't watch that other show he's on, where the sportswriter talks and the points go up and down. Can't even remember the name of it now. Rog -- The show is "Around the Horn," featuring four writers from various parts of the country. The show allows Josh's personality to come out, and he's been quite successful there, becoming known at "The Top Cat Killer." Josh's maternal grandfather was an engineer for Channel 5 in San Francisco, as well as an outstanding violinist who played in the big band era and after retirement in the Berkeley Symphony Orchestra. His mother was a dancer and collegiate dancing instructor. His father is an African prince. Seriously -- although Josh grew up only with his mother, he has visited his father in Africa. Josh's step-father works in Hollywood and has done some acting, including performing as the minister on the two-week Home Improvement episode involving, obviously, a wedding. The first professional game Josh attended was a Giants game at Candlestick Park. Having covered mostly basketball, he is friendly with both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. And as you mentioned, Allen, he is indeed a good guy. His grandparents and his mom were rock-solid. In fact, had Don lived in the Bay Area, he might well have come to know Josh's grandparents, who were both Jewish and about Don's age. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2072&page=3#18007#ixzz2o8VE1U00
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Post by allenreed on Dec 26, 2013 10:20:25 GMT -5
Here's a question Rog. I've always been impressed with Jim Barnett's basketball knowledge and consider him among the best, if not the best color man I've ever heard. He seems to be more than a few steps ahead of Mark Jackson as to what the team is doing wrong and how to fix it. Hang on, here's the question. Has Barnett ever considered, or been considered for an NBA coaching job? I realize he's too old now and ready to retire, but I mean at an earlier point in his career. Jim is leaving at the end of this season and I will be very sorry to see him go. Btw, the W's have had a couple of very gritty wins vs. Denver on the road and the Clips last night. The Warrior-Clipper rivalry is really getting to be fun, and it's good basketball. The W's aren't running optimally yet, but the team has heart.
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Post by sharksrog on Dec 26, 2013 11:04:37 GMT -5
Allen -- Has Barnett ever considered, or been considered for an NBA coaching job? Rog -- I don't know the answer to that. My guess is that if he had been seriously considered and offered a job, he would have coached somewhere along the way. From an X's and O's standpoint, I agree with you that he seems very qualified. As you mention, he may be ahead of Mark Jackson in terms of X's and O's, but I'm pretty sure Jackson's primary strength is as a motivator. That brings to mind an intriguing juxtaposition of thoughts. Those who believe that team chemistry is an important part of how a team performs still usually focus in on a manager's or coach's strategic mistakes when criticizing him. Another thing about chemistry I have considered is that the Giants of 2010 and 2012 are said to have had it, while the teams of 2011 and 2013 didn't. Yet the team of 2011 was very similar to the team of 2010, and the team of 2013 was very similar to the team of 2012. I realize you and others have criticized me for not giving enough credence to team chemistry (even though I've been studying it for close to 40 years now). And you may be right. Or I might actually be giving it too MUCH credence, since none of us truly knows the effect of team chemistry on wins and losses. Have we ever heard a player say, "I wouldn't have made that play (I made for the Giants) last season when I played for the Reds, because the Reds just don't have the chemistry the Giants have."? Occasionally we've heard players talk about the importance of team chemistry, but have we ever heard them tell us a play they made with team chemistry that they wouldn't have made without it? I'm certainly not saying team chemistry doesn't exist. I strongly believe that it does. But I will say that those who say I don't give it enough credence are simply guessing. First of all, they don't truly know how much credence I give it. But even more to the point, just like me, they don't know how important it is to wins or losses, to making certain plays and not making them. I have never said that team chemistry isn't important. I have simply stated that I don't know HOW important it is -- and I haven't come across anyone else who knows for sure how important it is, either. If a player hits .300 with power and is a good fielder and base runner, we can see how he is helping his team. If he is a good leader, he might be impacting the team even more than the .300 hitter mentioned above. But we just don't know. I guess in an ironic way, when someone says that I don't give enough credence to team chemistry because it can't be put into stats, they are right. If someone said I give it too MUCH credence because it can't be put into stats, they might also be right. When someone says I don't give team chemistry enough credence, they are in effect "measuring" both the credence I give it and the importance of team chemistry itself. I simply admit I have no way of measuring it. And I must admit, even though I've studied it for nearly four decades, I haven't come across anyone else who has developed a true method of measuring it, either. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2072&page=3#18101#ixzz2ob1tEW6v
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