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Post by sharksrog on Mar 24, 2013 11:25:04 GMT -5
With Buster Posey having just a double among his hits in 31 at bats and Brandon Belt hitting the heck out of the ball (and being a streaky home run hitter who is hot right now), I think the Giants should move Buster back to 6th in the order.
I don't think I would hit him 7th against righth-handers though.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 24, 2013 23:03:55 GMT -5
You joke about it now, but not that long ago I believe you said Posey was more geared to hit in the #2 hole.
Some said 5th, others said 6th.
I'm glad you've finally found the humor in it, like I did back then.
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Post by donk on Mar 25, 2013 0:11:47 GMT -5
no concern about his lack of hitting for average or power??? How about his work with the glove, yesterday...2 passed balls and 1 wild pitch....and no knocking Kuiper and Krikow on the negative description about Posey's poor mechanics on the balls in the dirt...they weren't very flattering about his rising up, turning his face away from the ball and stabbing the ball one handed.....I think Posey and Crawford should trade places in the batting order until they prove otherwise...what a sweet swing Crawford had in pulling a ball against a lefty...and wouldn't it be norma,l if Tim was a rookie, that he would be sent down to A ball to learn how to command his pitches...and while I'm at it, maybe Zito should move up to 1 or 2 in the rotation....anyone else worried about what the truth is about Pablo, is Mijares fit to pitch, is Scutaro showing his age...can the Giants win again with such poor hitting in the outfield,,...and why not move Torres/Blanco to center..Pagan to right and Pence to LF....and is Noonan really better than Bond at this point of their careers....
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 14:18:41 GMT -5
You joke about it now, but not that long ago I believe you said Posey was more geared to hit in the #2 hole. Some said 5th, others said 6th. I'm glad you've finally found the humor in it, like I did back then. Rog -- I was actually poking fun at Don here. Let me tell you the history as I remember it here. I'm telling only what I remember, so let others chime in as well. . Before Buster came up, I mentioned that he COULD -- not should -- hit 2nd. At that point I saw him as a #3 hitter. When Brandon Belt came on in the 2010 season, I said I believed that in the future Brandon would hit #3, and that Buster and Pablo Sandoval would man the #4 and #5 slots. Last summer I changed my mind about Buster's being a good #2 hitter. I had liked him there because he could get on base, could hit behind the runner, and was a good enough contact hitter to hit and run. I changed my mind when I realized a lot of his success comes from being patient and fouling off pitches to get one or more pitches he can hit. That doesn't lend itself to the hit and run, and as a slow ground ball hitter, Buster is prone to the double play. . Boly wrote when Buster was briefly installed as the #3 hitter during his rookie season that batting 3rd was too much pressure for a rookie. . When Buster got off to a slow power start in 2011 prior to his injury, Don wrote that Buster should bat 6th -- and 7th against right-handers. Don later clarified that he was speaking only short-term. Again, this is how I remember the discussion. Let others chime in with their own memories -- especially about what they themselves posted. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1618&page=1#9725#ixzz2Oa2vtlrU |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 14:20:40 GMT -5
Don -- no concern about his lack of hitting for average or power??? How about his work with the glove, yesterday...2 passed balls and 1 wild pitch....and no knocking Kuiper and Krikow on the negative description about Posey's poor mechanics on the balls in the dirt...they weren't very flattering about his rising up, turning his face away from the ball and stabbing the ball one handed.. Rog -- No. No worries. You tend to criticize the Giants' stars while standing up for their marginal players. Part of that is admirable, but none is very relevant. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1618&page=1#ixzz2Oa4nTFl8 |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 14:22:14 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 14:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 14:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 14:29:50 GMT -5
Don -- .can the Giants win again with such poor hitting in the outfield,,.. Rog -- They CAN. The two questions are, will they? And will the outfielders hit better than last season? Don -- .and why not move Torres/Blanco to center..Pagan to right and Pence to LF.... Rog -- The idea has merit, but at this point the Giants don't seem to want to rock Angel's center field boat, and if they did move him, it should be to left field based on experience and Pence's better arm. Don -- and is Noonan really better than Bond at this point of their careers.... Rog -- I would say no. But Noonan can play second, short and third, while Brock is unfortunately limited pretty much to second base, where he isn't really that good a fielder to begin with. In addition, I think Brock is injured right now. I do like your ideas here a lot better than your other ideas though. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1618&page=1#ixzz2Oa6IUfqK |
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Post by donk on Mar 25, 2013 19:06:54 GMT -5
the Title is "Just Kidding"....or were you serious??? I woud like to know about Mijares...do they say his body is ready for the new season??? As far as Bond is concerned, the Giants have another SS in Arias, Bond could play second or third and would be a good pinch hitter when you need someone to get on base to start an inning...then again, he only hit .435/.480/.870/1.350 in spring training...hardly rates a chance to play in the majors...
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 25, 2013 23:28:19 GMT -5
Don -- As far as Bond is concerned, the Giants have another SS in Arias, Bond could play second or third and would be a good pinch hitter when you need someone to get on base to start an inning... Rog -- I don't totally disagree with you. In fact, I would like my 6th infielder shaken, not stirred. I usually root for Bonds. The Giants have made it clear though that they prefer more versatility from their 6th infielder, even though as you point out, Arias has shown he is capable at every infield position aside from first base. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1618&page=1#ixzz2OcIaGxBv |
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Post by allenreed on Mar 26, 2013 10:40:44 GMT -5
Don -- anyone else worried about what the truth is about Pablo,
Allen- Just for kicks Don, what do you think is "the truth" about Pablo?
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 26, 2013 10:44:05 GMT -5
I know one thing about Pablo, he had to stop playing catch due to pain, which doesn't bode well for him starting the season. This might be more serious then they've lead on.
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Post by donk on Mar 26, 2013 12:56:18 GMT -5
Don -- anyone else worried about what the truth is about Pablo, Allen- Just for kicks Don, what do you think is "the truth" about Pablo? dk...I asked the question because I don't know the answer...and I don't have access to the SF media...I am afraid the Giants might know more than they are letting on and might be trying to line up a replacement through a trade.....you would think they would have taken care of this problem long before now... |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 14:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by allenreed on Mar 26, 2013 15:40:42 GMT -5
I don't think you'd look to replace a player like Pablo because he has an injury that will heal with rest. The way you worded it made it sound like there was some ominous secret about Pablo that the Giants were hiding.
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Post by donk on Mar 26, 2013 21:09:37 GMT -5
If Pablo can bat, but not throw, why don't they make a lefthanded first baseman out of him...they always said he could throw with both hands....then they could move Belt to LF and keep Posey as a catcher, full time ....Arias stays at third....until Panik or Duvall or Bond can make it back...either at second or third...Marco could go to third...wouldn't that make for an interesting season???
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 22:10:53 GMT -5
Don -- If Pablo can bat, but not throw, why don't they make a lefthanded first baseman out of him...they always said he could throw with both hands.... Rog -- Excellent idea. I always wondered why Pablo didn't play first base left-handed. Or just have him play the position right-handed. He won't have to throw nearly as often or as hard. Don -- then they could move Belt to LF and keep Posey as a catcher, full time .... Rog -- This is where it starts to break down. With Pablo at first base and Belt in left field, the Giants lose considerable defense at both spots. Also, Pablo was fairly seriouslky injured making a stretch last season in the one game he played at first. I'd have to consider it though, in order to keep Pablo's bat in the lineup. Still, I think it's a little extreme, especially since it would be a devastating move if Pablo were seriously injued at first. Don -- Arias stays at third....until Panik or Duvall or Bond can make it back...either at second or third... Rog -- Bond is the closest of the trio to the majors, but he is also suffering from an oblique injury. Don -- Marco could go to third...wouldn't that make for an interesting season??? Rog -- If Pablo can't go, I would go with Arias to replace him and leave it at that. I do like your ideas here though. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1618&page=1#9831#ixzz2OhovECse |
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Post by donk on Mar 27, 2013 12:42:10 GMT -5
I think Belt could be a very good left fielder...he can run and throw....with a little experience he will improve on judging balls.....something that Pagan still needs some work on....
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 27, 2013 14:33:30 GMT -5
Don- I think Belt could be a very good left fielder...he can run and throw....with a little experience he will improve on judging balls.....something that Pagan still needs some work on....
Boagie- But he's already a great first baseman. Posey is already a very good catcher. We have Pagan signed through 2016, Pence might be resigned, and Brown could be ready by next year, not to mention Peguero and Keischnick. Moving Belt to LF and Posey to 1st base would not only be downgrading our defense substantially, but also could set up a logjam situation in the outfield which could prevent Brown from having a starting spot. Where's the upside?
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Post by donk on Mar 27, 2013 15:18:25 GMT -5
you misread what I wrote....I was talking about playing Pablo at first if he can't make the throw from third...leave Posey at catcher. and I think Belt could turn into an above average left fielder....the reason for moving Belt is in order to keep Pablo in the lineup...
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 17:17:33 GMT -5
Don -- I think Belt could be a very good left fielder...he can run and throw....with a little experience he will improve on judging balls.....something that Pagan still needs some work on.... Rog -- Since left fielders as a group aren't particularly good fielders, I think Brandon could become a good left fielder. Maybe he could even become a very good one, but I'm not sure he can cover the ground to play at that level. I think Brandon played right field in high school, and he certainly has the arm for it, but it was in the outfield that he gained his nickname "Baby Giraffe." Right now he's probably a below-average outfielder who could become above average with work. Given that he seems to be among the very BEST first basemen in the game, I don't think moving him to the outfield is a very good idea -- especially if it in any way affected his hitting concentration, which is very important right now. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1618&page=1#9852#ixzz2OmTuPpYv |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 17:23:36 GMT -5
I find it surprising that you think Belt could turn into an above-average left fielder, Don, while you don't seem to think Buster Posey catches at that level.
Personally I think Buster has FAR more potential as a catcher than Brandon has as a left fielder. I realize you don't agree with it, but Buster was ranked as the #5 defensive catcher in Bill James' Annual. I would be surprised if Brandon could rank that high as a left fielder. I would see Brandon's potential in left as perhaps making the top 10.
MAYBE Brandon could become as good an outfielder as Cole Gillespie, but he wouldn't come close to the Giants' first four outfielders or Francisco Peguero. Or Gary Brown.
At his best he MIGHT become as good as Hunter Pence, but I think even that is a stretch.
This wasn't your idea, but as for the idea of playing Blanco/Torres in center, Pagan in right and Pence in left, I like all but the arrangement of the two corners. Pence has played his entire career in right field, and overall he's played it at an average level at the very least.
Play Pagan in left field in that scenario.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 17:26:03 GMT -5
Another guy besides Francisco Peguero who is raising his stock today is Nick Noonan, who is 3 for 3 while playing third base. Amazing hitting from a guy sent to minor league camp a couple of weeks ago.
Peguero will lead off the 7th. In fact, he's up right now.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 17:28:38 GMT -5
Francisco just struck out swinging. Cole Gillespie has yet to enter the game, although he might replace Andres Torres after this inning, if Andres comes to bat.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 17:31:07 GMT -5
Todd Linden just singled, so unless there are two outs with Brandon Crawford at bat, Andres will come to the plate.
Nice confidence in Crawford, hitting him ahead of Torres.
Nick Noonan follows Torres. I would say that barring an outside pickup, Nick has made the opening day roster.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 18:56:34 GMT -5
Peguero wound up 1 for 3 with the homer and a strikeout. Gillespie flied out in his only at bat. The two are now within 22 OPS points of each other, with Peguero at .847 and Gillespie at .869.
Chad Gaudin and Heath Hembree pitched scoreless innings in the 8th and 9th, each striking out two batters. It appears Hembree threw just seven pitches, which would be the minimum in striking out two batters and completing the inning.
Apparently Hembree has won the final bullpen job, but Hembree has put himself in nice position to get an early callup. Heath has a 5.00 ERA in spring training, but he has pitched very well in the 9th inning of his last two outings.
So Gaudin is set, Noonan appears close to being so, and the remaining battle is between Peguero and Gillespie. Now, on to San Francisco.
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Post by donk on Mar 28, 2013 0:52:50 GMT -5
Todd Linden just singled, so unless there are two outs with Brandon Crawford at bat, Andres will come to the plate. Nice confidence in Crawford, hitting him ahead of Torres. dk Bochy read my post and moved Crawford up to the 5 spot...not yet 4, but could be coming.....people are catching on to the improved swing of Crawford, I hope he keeps it up.... |
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