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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 26, 2013 10:42:00 GMT -5
Dood - True but he is best suited as a CF/top of the order player. As far as I know he hasn't played any corner OF spot as a pro. Boagie- So move Pagan to LF or RF, and bat Brown 2nd in the lineup. I think Pagan, Brown would make a nice 1-2 punch at the top. Dood - I havent seen Gillespie but what I've seen of Peguero the kid has pop in his bat. Maybe it doesn't show in his HR totals but from what I have seen in Gillespie's #s, he isnt exactly a huge deep threat either. Boagie- A few days ago Gillespie absoluted tattooed a ball over the centerfield wall. sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25828799&topic_id=8878828&c_id=sfDood - I might go along with this if Francisco didnt already spend a full season at Fresno last year. He's not a baby. I believe he has more to learn being around a big league clubhouse than he does by staying in the bus leagues for another year. Boagie- Peguero won't be in Fresno all year unless he shits the bed. The chances of Blanco, Torres or Gillespie all doing well is highly unlikely. Either way Peguero will get called up when the rosters expand because he's a good pinch runner. Let's also remember a decision hasn't been made yet, half of me agrees with you, the other half realizes that Gillespie's bat might be a better weapon off the bench. You could aslo make a case for Peguero because his talents probably play better at AT&T. Dood - again...if this was a veteran who has a track record in the show then I could see THIS argument...but he's been a train wreck failure in the bigs and he got kicked to the curb. Why are we even considering giving him a chance? Boagie- Could you imagine if this was the mindset when Vogelsong came to camp in 2011? While I like Peguero, he's not really overwhelmingly proven he belongs at the major league level. He's had a nice spring this year, but last year in Fresno he only batted .272 with an obp under .300. To me that doesn't scream "he's ready." If anyone should be given the chance this year, it's Nick Noonan, but there was no mention of him by anyone else before the rest of the infielders were shit-canned. I believe you liked Abreu who has like 1 at-bat, Rog liked Tanaka who can't catch or throw a baseball, if I'm not mistaken Allen was leaning toward Valdez, and I'm not sure which way Don was leaning...That's 3 veterans who've never really become solid major leaguers, over a guy in our system that put up a very nice year in Fresno. So my question I guess is how can you pick Abreu (who was also a castoff from Arizona) but then spit on Gillespie? At least Gillespie had a nice spring and earned consideration, Abreu hasn't done anything. |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 26, 2013 11:48:09 GMT -5
Dood - I havent seen Gillespie but what I've seen of Peguero the kid has pop in his bat. Maybe it doesn't show in his HR totals but from what I have seen in Gillespie's #s, he isnt exactly a huge deep threat either.
Boagie- A few days ago Gillespie absoluted tattooed a ball over the centerfield wall.
Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive.
Dood - again...if this was a veteran who has a track record in the show then I could see THIS argument...but he's been a train wreck failure in the bigs and he got kicked to the curb. Why are we even considering giving him a chance?
Boagie- Could you imagine if this was the mindset when Vogelsong came to camp in 2011?
Dood - Vogelsong didn't start the year in SF even after a huge Spring in 2011. He had to earn his spot in Fresno first. I have no problem starting Gillespie in Fresno and if he earns a spot like Vogey did, then by all means give him his shot.
While I like Peguero, he's not really overwhelmingly proven he belongs at the major league level.
Dood - meanwhile Gillespie has not done much better, getting kicked to the curb by AZ for good reason.
He's had a nice spring this year, but last year in Fresno he only batted .272 with an obp under .300. To me that doesn't scream "he's ready."
Dood - you need to account for his injury last year which kind of put his numbers back a bit.
If anyone should be given the chance this year, it's Nick Noonan, but there was no mention of him by anyone else before the rest of the infielders were shit-canned. I believe you liked Abreu who has like 1 at-bat,
Dood - No, I said the Giants liked him best. He got hurt early and hasnt been able to recover. If the Giants can keep him in Fresno, I'd be willing to bet he'll be up at some point...him or Tanaka, so Noonan can play every day.
Rog liked Tanaka who can't catch or throw a baseball, if I'm not mistaken Allen was leaning toward Valdez, and I'm not sure which way Don was leaning...That's 3 veterans who've never really become solid major leaguers, over a guy in our system that put up a very nice year in Fresno. So my question I guess is how can you pick Abreu (who was also a castoff from Arizona) but then spit on Gillespie? At least Gillespie had a nice spring and earned consideration, Abreu hasn't done anything.
Dood - Again...it wasnt me who touted Abreu. I think both he and Gillespie should start in Fresno.
By the way, I think you need to cut Tanaka a little slack. His defensive credentials entering this spring were more impressive than Crawford's were last spring and you were pretty quick to excuse HIS errors early last season. Remember this guy is brand new to this country, learning a new language and culture. It's not an easy transition to make. Let's see how Kensuke does in the minors. At least give him credit for being willing to start down in Fresno.
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 26, 2013 13:36:01 GMT -5
Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive.
Boagie- Peguero hasn't hit a homerun in spring or last year with the Giants, did you see him hit one in the minors? If so then you got lucky, he's only hit 32 homeruns in 7 seasons. Peguero is faster, better defensively, but it's clear Gillespie has far more power. In 7 seasons in the minors Gillespie hit 80 homeruns.
Dood - Vogelsong didn't start the year in SF even after a huge Spring in 2011. He had to earn his spot in Fresno first. I have no problem starting Gillespie in Fresno and if he earns a spot like Vogey did, then by all means give him his shot.
Boagie- This I tend to agree with, but it totally contridicts your statement "why are we even giving him a chance?"
Dood - No, I said the Giants liked him best. He got hurt early and hasnt been able to recover. If the Giants can keep him in Fresno, I'd be willing to bet he'll be up at some point...him or Tanaka, so Noonan can play every day.
Boagie- I think this is your opinion now, but early on you did say things to make me think Abreu was your pick. You did say you "liked" Abreu over Tanaka, as well as supporting the idea that experience was important in a 6th infield position. No mention of Noonan. Which is understandable because Noonan has been under the radar during his career thus far. I just thought I'd mention it because it would appear you're taking two completely different stances on the infield and outfield final spots.
Again, I can't really disagree with your take on Peguero, he's had a nice spring. If you follow my history of posting then you'll know I've always been on the side of our system getting priority over the older guys. If I had my pick right now I'd take all young guys, probably Otero, Noonan and Peguero. But of our non-system guys, Gaudin and Gillespie, I can't think of many reasons to be opposed to them breaking camp either.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 14:18:18 GMT -5
Boagie- There are 3 outfield positions in baseball. Dood - True but he is best suited as a CF/top of the order player. As far as I know he hasn't played any corner OF spot as a pro. Rog -- I believe Gary played a little left field in spring training, but the Giants clearly see him as their center fielder and (hopefully) leadoff man. Pagan has played 199 games as a corner outfielder. Once Gary proves himself, I would think the Giants would move Angel back to the corner. Don't you think that Gary could crack the outfield this season if he were ready? Heck, if he gets off to a flying start in Fresno and the Giants' left fielders struggle a little, Brown could be called up as it is. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1609&page=2#ixzz2Oftqvh3L |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 26, 2013 14:18:55 GMT -5
Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive.
Boagie- Peguero hasn't hit a homerun in spring or last year with the Giants, did you see him hit one in the minors? If so then you got lucky, he's only hit 32 homeruns in 7 seasons. Peguero is faster, better defensively, but it's clear Gillespie has far more power. In 7 seasons in the minors Gillespie hit 80 homeruns.
Dood - if you think 80 HRs in 7 minor league seasons is impressive, you are easily impressed. At least Peguero has the excuse of being young and still filling into his body. Most of those 7 years, Gillespie has been a full grown man. Gillespie doesn't have FAR more power than anybody. Gillespie is an old man by minor league standards and he only has a cup of weak, nonfat jo in major league experience, which was unremarkable.
Dood - Vogelsong didn't start the year in SF even after a huge Spring in 2011. He had to earn his spot in Fresno first. I have no problem starting Gillespie in Fresno and if he earns a spot like Vogey did, then by all means give him his shot.
Boagie- This I tend to agree with, but it totally contridicts your statement "why are we even giving him a chance?"
Dood - you're right I chose my words poorly here. I should have said, why are we giving him MORE of a chance than our homegrown guys, which Evans (or Bochy) clearly is.
Dood - No, I said the Giants liked him best. He got hurt early and hasnt been able to recover. If the Giants can keep him in Fresno, I'd be willing to bet he'll be up at some point...him or Tanaka, so Noonan can play every day.
Boagie- I think this is your opinion now, but early on you did say things to make me think Abreu was your pick. You did say you "liked" Abreu over Tanaka, as well as supporting the idea that experience was important in a 6th infield position. No mention of Noonan. Which is understandable because Noonan has been under the radar during his career thus far. I just thought I'd mention it because it would appear you're taking two completely different stances on the infield and outfield final spots.
Dood - Experience IS valuable for bench players. And both Abreu and Tanaka have it(and Valdez too for that matter...did you notice that Wilson got snatched up quickly after we released him?). Gillespie does NOT have big league experience...well at least nothing substantial or impressive. If Peguero was competing with players with some extensive ML roster time, then I might be irritated that the Giants obtained them, but I would certainly understand Evans and Bochy leaning towards the veterans for the bench.
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Post by allenreed on Mar 26, 2013 15:30:52 GMT -5
Rog liked Tanaka who can't catch or throw a baseball, if I'm not mistaken Allen was leaning toward Valdez,
Allen- I don't remember having an opinion, other than they should re-sign Theriot. What's Mike Fontenot doing these days?
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 18:31:26 GMT -5
Dood - I havent seen Gillespie but what I've seen of Peguero the kid has pop in his bat. Maybe it doesn't show in his HR totals but from what I have seen in Gillespie's #s, he isnt exactly a huge deep threat either. Boagie- A few days ago Gillespie absoluted tattooed a ball over the centerfield wall. Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive. Rog -- I imagine Peguero can hit the ball deep when he gets ahold of one. He has averaged 1.41 bases per hit, while Gillespie stands at 1.63 bags per knock. With .63 extra bags per hit to .41 extra bases by Peguero, that would indicate Gillespie has about half again as much power as Francisco. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#ixzz2OfvctJWo |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 18:34:51 GMT -5
Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive. Boagie- Peguero hasn't hit a homerun in spring or last year with the Giants, did you see him hit one in the minors? If so then you got lucky, he's only hit 32 homeruns in 7 seasons. Peguero is faster, better defensively, but it's clear Gillespie has far more power. In 7 seasons in the minors Gillespie hit 80 homeruns. Dood - if you think 80 HRs in 7 minor league seasons is impressive, you are easily impressed. Rog -- He didn't say he was impressed, Randy. He said Gillespie has shown more power than Peguero. It is said that the Giants themselves have been a bit disappointed that Francisco hasn't demonstrated more power. Not that it really matters, but I was surprised to learn that Gillespie shares something in common with Tim Lincecum. Both were named Pac-10 players of the year. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#ixzz2OgxDavWd |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 18:49:26 GMT -5
Dood - Vogelsong didn't start the year in SF even after a huge Spring in 2011. He had to earn his spot in Fresno first. I have no problem starting Gillespie in Fresno and if he earns a spot like Vogey did, then by all means give him his shot. Rog -- If we look at the Vogelsong situation and compare it with Gillespie's, we see that the two criteria that got Vogelsong promoted are already present with Gillespie. Ryan was called up (essentially as a starting pitcher) when he pitched well in two games at Fresno and then Barry Zito became injured. Gillespie -- who is working only for the 5th outfield slot, not a starting position or even the primary backup -- has succeeded in the Pacific Coast League and has his opportunity now. Gillespie is actually far more proven in AAA ball than Vogelsong was. Using your criteria, Cole is already there. Especially for a 5th outfield slot. By the way, Peguero has yet to succeed at the AAA level, putting up just a .691 OPS last season at Fresno. In his defense, he was coming off a 2011 injury. But using your criteria, Gillespie is the guy. Between Peguero and Gillespie, only Cole has played well in AAA. Peguero's combined AA and AAA OPS is only about .735. Perhaps he should succeed in AAA before coming to the majors. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#ixzz2Ogxs7MkT |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 18:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 19:05:53 GMT -5
Despite Francisco Peguero's red-hot start to spring training, Cole Gillespie's OPS is now 82 points higher. I don't think their competition for the 5th outfield spot is over yet, but I do think Gillespie has a decent lead.
By the way, Randy, I couldn't help but notice that you were impressed with in his first 20 or so at bats, Peguero put up similar rate numbers to the numbers put up by Yasiel Puig in 55 or so at bats.
According to you, Peguero was impressive, while Puig was simply a spring training phenomenon. Puig does lead all hitters this spring training, well ahead of the highly touted Bryce Harper -- and, amazingly given how hot Brandon Belt has been this spring -- nearly 100 points higher than Belt.
Belt has hit for far more power though and has the higher OPS.
Not sure just how much it means, but Yoenis Cespedes says that Puig is more advanced now than Cespedes himself was a year ago, when Cespedes went on to have one heck of a season. Yoenis is something like four years older than Puig.
And let's not forget that Larry Krueger -- who lost his job because of his perceived insults of Latin players -- says Puig makes Matt Kemp look somewhat ordinary by comparison.
Hey, I wouldn't give Puig the Rookie of the Year award quite yet, and who knows how much he will even play in the majors this season? But Puig is a guy who, if he were a Giant, we would be saying he might become even better than Buster Posey.
Bryce Harper might, as well.
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Post by donk on Mar 26, 2013 20:56:15 GMT -5
Dood - I havent seen Gillespie but what I've seen of Peguero the kid has pop in his bat. Maybe it doesn't show in his HR totals but from what I have seen in Gillespie's #s, he isnt exactly a huge deep threat either. Boagie- A few days ago Gillespie absoluted tattooed a ball over the centerfield wall. Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive. Rog -- I imagine Peguero can hit the ball deep when he gets ahold of one. He has averaged 1.41 bases per hit, while Gillespie stands at 1.63 bags per knock. With .63 extra bags per hit to .41 extra bases by Peguero, that would indicate Gillespie has about half again as much power as Francisco. dk..another stats that doesn't tell you anything.....the guy with 1.63 could have a slew of doubles and triples...the guy with 1.41 could have less singles , doubles and triples, but more home runs ...and the combinations means little until you know how many at bats and how many hits....but the best indicator is to go out and see them play...  |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 26, 2013 22:05:28 GMT -5
dk..another stats that doesn't tell you anything.....the guy with 1.63 could have a slew of doubles and triples...the guy with 1.41 could have less singles , doubles and triples, but more home runs ... Rog -- So what? All other things being equal, give me the 1.63 guy and he'll beat the 1.41 guy -- regardless of how the hit denominations are distributed. Don -- and the combinations means little until you know how many at bats and how many hits.... Rog -- You don't know how many at bats or hits either Peguero or Gillespie has, but I think their sample sizes are big enough to be meaningful. Gillespie is just more powerful and gets on base a whole lot more. Peguero will likely hit for the better average and enjoys a significant defensive and decent base running edge. Don -- but the best indicator is to go out and see them play... Rog -- Most believe the best indicator is to do both. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#9838#ixzz2OhnlxvjQ |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 27, 2013 10:28:48 GMT -5
Despite Francisco Peguero's red-hot start to spring training, Cole Gillespie's OPS is now 82 points higher. I don't think their competition for the 5th outfield spot is over yet, but I do think Gillespie has a decent lead.
By the way, Randy, I couldn't help but notice that you were impressed with in his first 20 or so at bats, Peguero put up similar rate numbers to the numbers put up by Yasiel Puig in 55 or so at bats.
Dood - I may have been PLEASED with Peguero's hot start but I wasn't proclaiming him the next Willie Mays like you and all the other sheep are doing with this Dodger farmhand. It's SPRING TRAINING...it doesnt count for anything at all except to get ignorant people all excited or worried about the upcoming season. The Giants--and other teams--have had ST phenoms that turned out to be busts before. This guy could be just another one of those to add to the scrap heap. So you and your other Dodger-loving buddies can jerk off to this guy all you want...until I see it in the big leagues, I'm not impressed.
According to you, Peguero was impressive, while Puig was simply a spring training phenomenon.
Dood - correction...I said Peguero was having a good enough spring to be our 5th outfielder...I wasnt fitting him for a HOF blazer like you are with this Puig dude.
Not sure just how much it means, but Yoenis Cespedes says that Puig is more advanced now than Cespedes himself was a year ago, when Cespedes went on to have one heck of a season. Yoenis is something like four years older than Puig.
Dood - it means squat. Cespedes is no talent scout. We shall see.
And let's not forget that Larry Krueger -- who lost his job because of his perceived insults of Latin players -- says Puig makes Matt Kemp look somewhat ordinary by comparison.
Dood - Kruger is an ignoramus. I wont go as far to say he's a racist, but his remarks were not well thought out given the market he lives in and that's pretty representative of most of his opinions. My problem with him isnt that he made an insensitive comment...it's that he's proven himself to be all bluster and very little substance. He's probably never even seen this kid play...like the rest of the sheep just following the herd.
Hey, I wouldn't give Puig the Rookie of the Year award quite yet, and who knows how much he will even play in the majors this season? But Puig is a guy who, if he were a Giant, we would be saying he might become even better than Buster Posey.
Dood - quite possibly...because this is a GIANTS BOARD...we're here to talk about Giants players and prospects...NOT Dodgers or Astros or Yankees or Marlins. You seem to not want to grasp that concept.
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Post by allenreed on Mar 27, 2013 10:56:25 GMT -5
Wasn't Puig optioned to Double A? He can't be that good, at least not yet.
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Post by allenreed on Mar 27, 2013 11:00:16 GMT -5
I don't even think Krueger's comment was racist. He stated what is an obvious fact, that Dominicans swing at alot of bad pitches. Dominicans have taken pride in that fact, often stating that "you don't walk your way off the island".
It's interesting that they can say it and it's OK, but when a non=Dominican agrees with them, it's racist. Kind of like when blacks use the N word.
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Post by allenreed on Mar 27, 2013 11:01:56 GMT -5
Dood - whatever. You're an arrogant pile of dung. Whether you are right or wrong you're still a douchebag. Enjoy that.
Rog -- Balanced, unbiased, rational and calm comment here, Randy.
Allen- C'mon Randy, I thought you'd outgrown this kind of thing. This is the kind of stuff we usually get from Don.
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Post by donk on Mar 27, 2013 12:24:38 GMT -5
Wasn't Puig optioned to Double A? He can't be that good, at least not yet. dk...or it could be the Dodgers using the rules of baseball to screw a player...if Puig stays in the minors a total of 20 days he will be screwed out of another whole year before he could become a free agent......and the Dodgers don;t really need him right now as their outfield appears to set... |
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Post by donk on Mar 27, 2013 12:34:34 GMT -5
dk..another stats that doesn't tell you anything.....the guy with 1.63 could have a slew of doubles and triples...the guy with 1.41 could have less singles , doubles and triples, but more home runs ... Rog -- So what? All other things being equal, give me the 1.63 guy and he'll beat the 1.41 guy -- regardless of how the hit denominations are distributed. dk..now Rog twists things around as only he is capable of doing...you were talking power...not ability....power relates to hitting a ball out of the park....home runs, not gap bloopers that a fast guy turns into doubles and triples...of course the 1.63 guy could have alot fewer hits per plate appearance..ah, but the stats nerd can throw another fancy stat out there that means nothing until you get the details...and if you have the details, why do you need the stat?  Don -- and the combinations means little until you know how many at bats and how many hits.... |
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Post by donk on Mar 27, 2013 12:37:57 GMT -5
Dood - whatever. You're an arrogant pile of dung. Whether you are right or wrong you're still a douchebag. Enjoy that. Rog -- Balanced, unbiased, rational and calm comment here, Randy. Allen- C'mon Randy, I thought you'd outgrown this kind of thing. This is the kind of stuff we usually get from Don. dk..only when you and Randy lie like sick little kids.... |
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Post by Islandboagie on Mar 27, 2013 14:52:06 GMT -5
I don't mean to interrupt the name calling ...but, since this post was oringinally started about the 3 openings we had going into spring training, I thought I'd share some news if you didn't already know..
Chad Gaudin seems to be a lock for the bullpen, the Giants just picked up his contract from Fresno, and Otero was picked up on waivers by the Yankees.
Not sure I agree with giving up on Otero, but not a huge loss either.
Ok, you may continue..I believe we were at Rog being a "douche" and Randy and Allen being "sick little kids."
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 16:33:06 GMT -5
Dood - I may have been PLEASED with Peguero's hot start but I wasn't proclaiming him the next Willie Mays like you and all the other sheep are doing with this Dodger farmhand. Rog -- Nice play on words between sheep and farm-hand. I think of you as being more of a jack ass. But that aside, no one is saying Puig will be the next Willie Mays, although Mike Trout is beginning to elicit such comparisons as at least a possiblity. In fact, when asked by Gary Radnick if Puig was as good as Willie, his partner -- who had brought up Puig in the first place -- replied no. Let me ask you this, Randy. Would you trade Gary Brown and Joe Panik for Puig? See how you like the defensive play at the end of this clip: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpT5672AOa8Maybe the homer to right-center? Notice how quickly the homer to left got out as the announcer pronounced "linea larga"? Given your ability as a scout, what do you think? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#9844#ixzz2OmEcrO5z |
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 16:47:11 GMT -5
Francisco Peguero is getting a nice chance to show himself today. After Hunter Pence's home run, Francisco replaced Hunter in right field for the bottom of the 3rd. Cole Gillespie might also get a look later in the game, but as of now, Andres Torres remains in left field.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 16:48:29 GMT -5
Peguero is capitalizing on his chance, hitting a two-run homer to left. Brandon Belt followed with yet another home run.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 16:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 16:51:51 GMT -5
Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive. Boagie- Peguero hasn't hit a homerun in spring or last year with the Giants, did you see him hit one in the minors? If so then you got lucky, he's only hit 32 homeruns in 7 seasons. Peguero is faster, better defensively, but it's clear Gillespie has far more power. In 7 seasons in the minors Gillespie hit 80 homeruns. Dood - if you think 80 HRs in 7 minor league seasons is impressive, you are easily impressed. Rog -- I hadn't noticed this until now, but I love the way you avoided Boagie's question by focusing on the number of homers GILLESPIE has hit. Stop obfuscating and just play straight up, Randy. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#ixzz2OmNyPJzC |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 27, 2013 16:54:03 GMT -5
Let me ask you this, Randy. Would you trade Gary Brown and Joe Panik for Puig?
Dood - my general rule of thumb is that I would ONLY trade a top prospect for a proven Major Leaguer. Prospect for prospect trades are fraught with so much risk that it isnt worth the heartache.
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Post by sharksrog on Mar 27, 2013 16:56:28 GMT -5
Not sure just how much it means, but Yoenis Cespedes says that Puig is more advanced now than Cespedes himself was a year ago, when Cespedes went on to have one heck of a season. Yoenis is something like four years older than Puig. Dood - it means squat. Cespedes is no talent scout. We shall see. Rog -- What impressed me is that very few players will give anyone a POSITIVE comparison with himself. How can you say what Cespedes said means squat? How much it means is debatable. But it certainly means SOMETHING. I agree that Cespedes is no talent scout. But I would rank his opinion here over yours. You are certainly no talent scout either, and at least Cespedes is in the game. Rog -- And let's not forget that Larry Krueger -- who lost his job because of his perceived insults of Latin players -- says Puig makes Matt Kemp look somewhat ordinary by comparison. Dood - Kruger is an ignoramus. Rog -- More garbage out of your mouth. If Larry Krueger were truly an ignoramous, I doubt he'd be back on KNBR after the huge gaffe he made. If Krueger is an ignoramous, so are you. Personally, I don't think either of you is. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1609&page=3#ixzz2OmOVc8q4 |
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Post by sfgdood on Mar 27, 2013 17:04:00 GMT -5
Dood - I've seen some Peguero blasts equally impressive.
Boagie- Peguero hasn't hit a homerun in spring or last year with the Giants, did you see him hit one in the minors? If so then you got lucky, he's only hit 32 homeruns in 7 seasons. Peguero is faster, better defensively, but it's clear Gillespie has far more power. In 7 seasons in the minors Gillespie hit 80 homeruns.
Dood - if you think 80 HRs in 7 minor league seasons is impressive, you are easily impressed.
Rog -- I hadn't noticed this until now, but I love the way you avoided Boagie's question by focusing on the number of homers GILLESPIE has hit. Stop obfuscating and just play straight up, Randy.
Dood - the question was obviously rhetorical...since Boagie told us that Francisco has hit no HRs in ST then obviously the ones I saw were in the minors...and if you know, like some do here, that I reside in San Jose, then it's very easy to conclude, if you have at least half a brain, that i saw those HRs while Peguero was a Little Giant. I actually thought you could at least figure that much out on your own. Sorry I overestimated your brain power.
~Dood
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