Post by sharksrog on Jul 25, 2013 17:22:31 GMT -5
Came across this on Bleacher Reports:
The 2013 MLB trade deadline looms with the end of July just around the corner, which means now is the time for the San Francisco Giants to inquire on Houston Astros starting pitcher Bud Norris.
While it has been speculated that the Giants are interested in Norris, one thing for sure is that Norris would love to play for his childhood team. Norris said as much in an interview with Jon Morosi of Fox Sports:
It gives you goose bumps when you think about it, ... Obviously growing up there, being a big Giants fan — and I rooted for the A’s, too, in the area, but I was more of a Giants fan. That’s a possibility. It’s all trade rumors, as they say.
While Norris, who is 6-9 with a 3.93 ERA, has apparently made up his mind, the Giants have not—in fact, they are currently in limbo. As of the All-Star break, the Giants are 7.5 games behind the first-place Arizona Diamondbacks, and general manager Brian Sabean is likely still pondering whether his club will be buyers or sellers at the deadline.
Regardless of the Giants' position before the deadline, acquiring Norris would not only improve their chances of staying in contention in 2013 but also bolster their rotation heading into next year, which the Giants must start thinking about now.
Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito will be free agents at the end of the year, and it is unknown if either will be back with the team in 2013. Ryan Vogelsong's status is also an unknown due to his struggles prior to breaking his hand in late May.
This means that possibly 60 percent of the Giants rotation could be new faces in 2014, which is both good and bad news.
The good news is that nearly $40 million will be cleared up due to Lincecum and Zito's contracts coming off the books. The bad news, well, is that it will be tough to replace those pitchers in free agency. Names like Matt Garza, Josh Johnson and Hiroki Kuroda top the free-agent list of starters on the market, and all will likely get grossly overpaid. The Giants also don't have the luxury of having prospects waiting in the wings, as all of the promising arms are in the lower levels of the farm system.
This is why Norris makes sense for the Giants, assuming the Astros are willing to part ways with their ace.
The three things that attract me to Norris are his age, contract situation, and the fact that he's a fly-ball pitcher.
Norris is only 28 years old and would still be under team control until 2016 (Norris has two years of arbitration remaining.)
Secondly, his home run-to-fly ball ratio this year is only 6.9 percent, which would only drastically improve after switching to the spacious confines of AT&T Park.
But now for the tricky part: In a video game, Norris would be much easier to acquire than in real life. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The Astros know how valuable Norris is, considering his age and contract situation, so it will likely take a lucrative deal to pry him away.
But this is what makes the Giants the perfect trade partners in the eyes of the Astros. A young pitching prospect is probably the most valuable trade asset to a team rebuilding, and the Giants have plenty of those.
Aside from Kyle Crick—who is likely untouchable—young arms like Clayton Blackburn, Chris Stratton, Martin Agosta, Edwin Escobar and Ty Blach are all quality arms who could be packaged together in order to obtain Norris. Sabean could also couple Gary Brown or Andrew Susac with one of the pitchers previously listed, and that could possibly get the job done.
Despite the Giants' underwhelming record at the moment, this is still a team built to win championships now and for the foreseeable future. Adding Norris to be the No. 3 pitcher behind Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner would fortify the top of the rotation for at least the next few years, which is when those young arms should be ready for the majors.
Trading for Norris would not only be a short-term investment but a long-term one as well, which is why the Giants need to pull the trigger.
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Featured Columnist III Dan Mori 334955 posted 6 days ago 1374253848 14983719 Dan Featured Columnist III 1 comment collapsed Bud Norris would be a very good addition to the Giants. He is relatively inexpensive and his skill level is fine for a # 3 or # 4 starter, which we will need with the questionable 2014 status of Lincecum, Zito and Vogelsong.
Personally, I believe the Giants will pick up the club option on Vogelsong, which leaves two remaining starting pitcher jobs open. Norris would fit perfectly in one of those spots. Norris makes only $3M in 2013 and would be under the Giants' arbitration control through 2015.
I would be willing to give up Blackburn and a mid-level prospect, (ie: Peguero, Kieschnick, Adrianza), for him. Anyone other than Kyle Crick, I would be willing to trade. Norris is only 28 years of age and has plenty of good years left.
He would be a top priority if I was the Giants' GM. The acquisition of Norris can help the Giants in 2013, but is also a very valuable add for 2014 and 2015,
at a minimum.
Good article Kyle.
Bud Norris would be a very good addition to the Giants. He is relatively inexpensive and his skill level is fine for a # 3 or # 4 starter, which we will need with the questionable 2014 status of Lincecum, Zito and Vogelsong.
Personally, I believe the Giants will pick up the club option on Vogelsong, which leaves two remaining starting pitcher jobs open. Norris would fit perfectly in one of those spots. Norris makes only $3M in 2013 and would be under the Giants' arbitration control through 2015.
I would be willing to give up Blackburn and a mid-level prospect, (ie: Peguero, Kieschnick, Adrianza), for him. Anyone other than Kyle Crick, I would be willing to trade. Norris is only 28 years of age and has plenty of good years left.
He would be a top priority if I was the Giants' GM. The acquisition of Norris can help the Giants in 2013, but is also a very valuable add for 2014 and 2015,
at a minimum.
Good article Kyle. 5 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 5 days ago 1374343987 15000820 14983719 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 reply collapsed Thanks, Dan. What are your thoughts on Lincecum coming back after this season?
Thanks, Dan. What are your thoughts on Lincecum coming back after this season? 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
neil rai 1854278 posted 6 days ago 1374253722 14983668 neil Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Astros are seeking two top prospects for him, to that, I say no thank you. I like Norris, but he is nothing more then a 4 or 5 in the rotation. Giants already have a weak farm system, no need to make it even worse.
Astros are seeking two top prospects for him, to that, I say no thank you. I like Norris, but he is nothing more then a 4 or 5 in the rotation. Giants already have a weak farm system, no need to make it even worse. 2 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Ryan Ingram 624178 posted 3 days ago 1374502648 15022674 14983668 Ryan Contributor I 1 reply collapsed Maybe the deal will change as the deadline approaches, assuming Houston wants to move him.
Maybe the deal will change as the deadline approaches, assuming Houston wants to move him. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
William Lyons 1547118 posted 6 days ago 1374296346 14994752 William Contributor I 1 comment collapsed I like Gaudin to stay in the rotation when Vogie comes back and they can sit Zito or use him as relief or a spot starter. They are not going to climb back in the race with Zito starting every 5th game.
I like Gaudin to stay in the rotation when Vogie comes back and they can sit Zito or use him as relief or a spot starter. They are not going to climb back in the race with Zito starting every 5th game. 1 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 6 days ago 1374296740 14994816 14994752 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 reply collapsed I agree. I just don't know what they'd do with Zito, however.
I agree. I just don't know what they'd do with Zito, however. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Michael Spangrud 781165 posted 6 days ago 1374251382 14982894 Michael Contributor I 1 comment collapsed it will be a mistake. Norris may give them some good outings, but to think he will be the key to help the Giants win more, is just wishful thinking. We wont nothing more than what they were already going to win unless we get more than Norris. 1 average starting pitcher is not going to change the Giants chances at another series and that's the goal.
it will be a mistake. Norris may give them some good outings, but to think he will be the key to help the Giants win more, is just wishful thinking. We wont nothing more than what they were already going to win unless we get more than Norris. 1 average starting pitcher is not going to change the Giants chances at another series and that's the goal. 1 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
David Lurie 2679025 posted 4 days ago 1374421925 15010839 David Contributor I 1 comment collapsed I like the idea of acquiring Norris for the reasons you stated, but i would be reluctant to part with Blackburn or Stratton, as well as Crick. We're thin on hitters down there and while Brown and Susac would be the key chips, i believe Brown in particular should be saved for a potentially sweeter deal. Also i'm willing to bet Lincecum returns on a one-year deal. That 5-yr $100 mil contract he turned down at the start of 2012 must be looking pretty good to him right about now, and he probably feels he can get back to that level. Of course that's contingent on what he does for the remainder of 2013.
I like the idea of acquiring Norris for the reasons you stated, but i would be reluctant to part with Blackburn or Stratton, as well as Crick. We're thin on hitters down there and while Brown and Susac would be the key chips, i believe Brown in particular should be saved for a potentially sweeter deal. Also i'm willing to bet Lincecum returns on a one-year deal. That 5-yr $100 mil contract he turned down at the start of 2012 must be looking pretty good to him right about now, and he probably feels he can get back to that level. Of course that's contingent on what he does for the remainder of 2013. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 4 days ago 1374431128 15012643 15010839 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 comment collapsed I'm definitely against trading Crick and Blackburn, but Stratton is 22 years old and and pitching in Low-A with an ERA a shade under 4. If we were able to trade for Norris with a deal based around Stratton (meaning no other top prospects included in the trade) then I would want to pull the trigger.
And yes, I'm sure Lincecum would like to rethink his answer.
I'm definitely against trading Crick and Blackburn, but Stratton is 22 years old and and pitching in Low-A with an ERA a shade under 4. If we were able to trade for Norris with a deal based around Stratton (meaning no other top prospects included in the trade) then I would want to pull the trigger.
And yes, I'm sure Lincecum would like to rethink his answer. 2 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
David Lurie 2679025 posted 4 days ago 1374445300 15015180 15012643 David Contributor I 1 reply collapsed Stratton may not be as close to ML ready as the Giants might have hoped when they drafted him, but i still like his K/BB ratio, he has a very high ceiling. Norris for Stratton and minor prospects? It would be worth considering. My question would be would Luhnow go for that, or would he prefer a package of say Agosta and Escobar instead? I dunno, i worry that we don't have that many chips to play with, especially if Sabean has other deals in mind. Houston's in the driver's seat with Norris right now.
Stratton may not be as close to ML ready as the Giants might have hoped when they drafted him, but i still like his K/BB ratio, he has a very high ceiling. Norris for Stratton and minor prospects? It would be worth considering. My question would be would Luhnow go for that, or would he prefer a package of say Agosta and Escobar instead? I dunno, i worry that we don't have that many chips to play with, especially if Sabean has other deals in mind. Houston's in the driver's seat with Norris right now. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Garrett wright 1247180 posted 6 days ago 1374297954 14994980 Garrett Contributor I 1 comment collapsed I agree he is the only guy I see on the market that I think would be a really good addition to the Giants. Don't get me wrong there are other good options but there is something different about Norris. He isn't the biggest name but he is a good hard working quality player. He honestly reminds me of matt cain. It will be interesting to see if the Gmen go after him and what they offer.
I agree he is the only guy I see on the market that I think would be a really good addition to the Giants. Don't get me wrong there are other good options but there is something different about Norris. He isn't the biggest name but he is a good hard working quality player. He honestly reminds me of matt cain. It will be interesting to see if the Gmen go after him and what they offer. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
GRIF 1359999 posted 3 days ago 1374511478 15024820 GRIF Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Totally agree with you on this Kyle. Good article to emphasize not only positives for this season, but in the coming seasons as well. This would not only remedy Zito this season, but to have him hold a spot in the rotation, on the cheap, till the plethora of pitching prospects will be ready to help the parent club by 2015-16. Would be against trading Crick, Agosta, Escobar, and maybe even Stratton. What about Gaudin's future? He seems a little small to be counted on as a starter for a long period of time.
Totally agree with you on this Kyle. Good article to emphasize not only positives for this season, but in the coming seasons as well. This would not only remedy Zito this season, but to have him hold a spot in the rotation, on the cheap, till the plethora of pitching prospects will be ready to help the parent club by 2015-16. Would be against trading Crick, Agosta, Escobar, and maybe even Stratton. What about Gaudin's future? He seems a little small to be counted on as a starter for a long period of time. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Ben Salvi 688912 posted 4 days ago 1374424464 15011265 Ben Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Great new Giants blog, read and comment sfgiantstalk.wordpress.com/
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Rich Man 2598600 posted 5 days ago 1374342584 15000513 Rich Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Giants should move on and forget about Norris or any other pitcher on the market. The only way I would trade Tim Lincecum, is if they got a huge package in return w/ 2 top prospects. Tigers: Nick Castellanos, Rangers: Mike Olt, Red Sox: Jackie Bradley, Yankees: Tyler Austin. I really think he wants to stay with the Giants. At his current value, if he's willing to take $15 million per, I think he'd stay as his velocity has dropped from his cy young days. I don't mind giving up Peguera and a pitching prospect., I'll even throw in Hector Sanchez. I feel that Crick is untouchable right now and he'll likely be in the rotation in 2 years. Blackburn I actually want to keep because I want to see what he has next year. I want to keep Susac as he can become a good backup to Posey in 2 years. He might even start w/ Posey, if Posey plays 1b or dh in interleague games. Panik is our future 2b and the new draftee won't be ready for anothe 4 or 5 years unless he plays lights out. Ryder Jones might be the eventual replacement to Panda in 3 or 4 years, too. I would only consider giving up Blackburn in a trade where they can get Rios and Peavy in a package deal.
Giants should move on and forget about Norris or any other pitcher on the market. The only way I would trade Tim Lincecum, is if they got a huge package in return w/ 2 top prospects. Tigers: Nick Castellanos, Rangers: Mike Olt, Red Sox: Jackie Bradley, Yankees: Tyler Austin. I really think he wants to stay with the Giants. At his current value, if he's willing to take $15 million per, I think he'd stay as his velocity has dropped from his cy young days. I don't mind giving up Peguera and a pitching prospect., I'll even throw in Hector Sanchez. I feel that Crick is untouchable right now and he'll likely be in the rotation in 2 years. Blackburn I actually want to keep because I want to see what he has next year. I want to keep Susac as he can become a good backup to Posey in 2 years. He might even start w/ Posey, if Posey plays 1b or dh in interleague games. Panik is our future 2b and the new draftee won't be ready for anothe 4 or 5 years unless he plays lights out. Ryder Jones might be the eventual replacement to Panda in 3 or 4 years, too. I would only consider giving up Blackburn in a trade where they can get Rios and Peavy in a package deal. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 5 days ago 1374343954 15000809 15000513 Kyle Featured Columnist II 2 replies collapsed I'm not sure if the first sentence of your comment is related to the rest of it? I never suggested trading Lincecum for Norris? And you are asking a lot in return for Lincecum, and I don't think any team would be willing to give up a top prospect for 2 months of an inconsistent Lincecum at 8 million.
I'm not sure if the first sentence of your comment is related to the rest of it? I never suggested trading Lincecum for Norris? And you are asking a lot in return for Lincecum, and I don't think any team would be willing to give up a top prospect for 2 months of an inconsistent Lincecum at 8 million. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
matthew nelson 853588 posted 4 days ago 1374428719 15012073 15000809 matthew Contributor I 1 reply collapsed I think his point is that it's not worth trading Timmy unless you get something huge in return.
I think his point is that it's not worth trading Timmy unless you get something huge in return. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Rich Man 2598600 posted 4 days ago 1374456217 15016965 15000809 Rich Contributor I 1 reply collapsed Astros don't want to take on payroll and they are already out of contention, I am just suggesting, unless they get huge package, I think we should just keep him. He's still a very good pitcher and if we can re-sign him for $10-$15 million, I'd definitely do it. There's only few players I want as a Giant 4 Life and that's Posey, Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum. But obviously, we shouldn't overpay for him like $20 million a year.
Astros don't want to take on payroll and they are already out of contention, I am just suggesting, unless they get huge package, I think we should just keep him. He's still a very good pitcher and if we can re-sign him for $10-$15 million, I'd definitely do it. There's only few players I want as a Giant 4 Life and that's Posey, Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum. But obviously, we shouldn't overpay for him like $20 million a year. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Michael Spangrud 781165 posted 3 days ago 1374509989 15024342 Michael Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Chris Sale from White Sox is now on the Block. SF needs to give up whatever they need to to get him. He is a top pitcher, cheap and under contract for the next 4 years after this year.
Chris Sale from White Sox is now on the Block. SF needs to give up whatever they need to to get him. He is a top pitcher, cheap and under contract for the next 4 years after this year. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 3 days ago 1374519367 15027269 15024342 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 reply collapsed I'm shocked that the White Sox would do that... You could build your rotation around Sale for the next 10 years. Outside of Bumgarner, Sale is my favorite pitcher in baseball.
I'm shocked that the White Sox would do that... You could build your rotation around Sale for the next 10 years. Outside of Bumgarner, Sale is my favorite pitcher in baseball. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
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The 2013 MLB trade deadline looms with the end of July just around the corner, which means now is the time for the San Francisco Giants to inquire on Houston Astros starting pitcher Bud Norris.
While it has been speculated that the Giants are interested in Norris, one thing for sure is that Norris would love to play for his childhood team. Norris said as much in an interview with Jon Morosi of Fox Sports:
It gives you goose bumps when you think about it, ... Obviously growing up there, being a big Giants fan — and I rooted for the A’s, too, in the area, but I was more of a Giants fan. That’s a possibility. It’s all trade rumors, as they say.
While Norris, who is 6-9 with a 3.93 ERA, has apparently made up his mind, the Giants have not—in fact, they are currently in limbo. As of the All-Star break, the Giants are 7.5 games behind the first-place Arizona Diamondbacks, and general manager Brian Sabean is likely still pondering whether his club will be buyers or sellers at the deadline.
Regardless of the Giants' position before the deadline, acquiring Norris would not only improve their chances of staying in contention in 2013 but also bolster their rotation heading into next year, which the Giants must start thinking about now.
Tim Lincecum and Barry Zito will be free agents at the end of the year, and it is unknown if either will be back with the team in 2013. Ryan Vogelsong's status is also an unknown due to his struggles prior to breaking his hand in late May.
This means that possibly 60 percent of the Giants rotation could be new faces in 2014, which is both good and bad news.
The good news is that nearly $40 million will be cleared up due to Lincecum and Zito's contracts coming off the books. The bad news, well, is that it will be tough to replace those pitchers in free agency. Names like Matt Garza, Josh Johnson and Hiroki Kuroda top the free-agent list of starters on the market, and all will likely get grossly overpaid. The Giants also don't have the luxury of having prospects waiting in the wings, as all of the promising arms are in the lower levels of the farm system.
This is why Norris makes sense for the Giants, assuming the Astros are willing to part ways with their ace.
The three things that attract me to Norris are his age, contract situation, and the fact that he's a fly-ball pitcher.
Norris is only 28 years old and would still be under team control until 2016 (Norris has two years of arbitration remaining.)
Secondly, his home run-to-fly ball ratio this year is only 6.9 percent, which would only drastically improve after switching to the spacious confines of AT&T Park.
But now for the tricky part: In a video game, Norris would be much easier to acquire than in real life. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The Astros know how valuable Norris is, considering his age and contract situation, so it will likely take a lucrative deal to pry him away.
But this is what makes the Giants the perfect trade partners in the eyes of the Astros. A young pitching prospect is probably the most valuable trade asset to a team rebuilding, and the Giants have plenty of those.
Aside from Kyle Crick—who is likely untouchable—young arms like Clayton Blackburn, Chris Stratton, Martin Agosta, Edwin Escobar and Ty Blach are all quality arms who could be packaged together in order to obtain Norris. Sabean could also couple Gary Brown or Andrew Susac with one of the pitchers previously listed, and that could possibly get the job done.
Despite the Giants' underwhelming record at the moment, this is still a team built to win championships now and for the foreseeable future. Adding Norris to be the No. 3 pitcher behind Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner would fortify the top of the rotation for at least the next few years, which is when those young arms should be ready for the majors.
Trading for Norris would not only be a short-term investment but a long-term one as well, which is why the Giants need to pull the trigger.
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Featured Columnist III Dan Mori 334955 posted 6 days ago 1374253848 14983719 Dan Featured Columnist III 1 comment collapsed Bud Norris would be a very good addition to the Giants. He is relatively inexpensive and his skill level is fine for a # 3 or # 4 starter, which we will need with the questionable 2014 status of Lincecum, Zito and Vogelsong.
Personally, I believe the Giants will pick up the club option on Vogelsong, which leaves two remaining starting pitcher jobs open. Norris would fit perfectly in one of those spots. Norris makes only $3M in 2013 and would be under the Giants' arbitration control through 2015.
I would be willing to give up Blackburn and a mid-level prospect, (ie: Peguero, Kieschnick, Adrianza), for him. Anyone other than Kyle Crick, I would be willing to trade. Norris is only 28 years of age and has plenty of good years left.
He would be a top priority if I was the Giants' GM. The acquisition of Norris can help the Giants in 2013, but is also a very valuable add for 2014 and 2015,
at a minimum.
Good article Kyle.
Bud Norris would be a very good addition to the Giants. He is relatively inexpensive and his skill level is fine for a # 3 or # 4 starter, which we will need with the questionable 2014 status of Lincecum, Zito and Vogelsong.
Personally, I believe the Giants will pick up the club option on Vogelsong, which leaves two remaining starting pitcher jobs open. Norris would fit perfectly in one of those spots. Norris makes only $3M in 2013 and would be under the Giants' arbitration control through 2015.
I would be willing to give up Blackburn and a mid-level prospect, (ie: Peguero, Kieschnick, Adrianza), for him. Anyone other than Kyle Crick, I would be willing to trade. Norris is only 28 years of age and has plenty of good years left.
He would be a top priority if I was the Giants' GM. The acquisition of Norris can help the Giants in 2013, but is also a very valuable add for 2014 and 2015,
at a minimum.
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Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 5 days ago 1374343987 15000820 14983719 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 reply collapsed Thanks, Dan. What are your thoughts on Lincecum coming back after this season?
Thanks, Dan. What are your thoughts on Lincecum coming back after this season? 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
neil rai 1854278 posted 6 days ago 1374253722 14983668 neil Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Astros are seeking two top prospects for him, to that, I say no thank you. I like Norris, but he is nothing more then a 4 or 5 in the rotation. Giants already have a weak farm system, no need to make it even worse.
Astros are seeking two top prospects for him, to that, I say no thank you. I like Norris, but he is nothing more then a 4 or 5 in the rotation. Giants already have a weak farm system, no need to make it even worse. 2 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Ryan Ingram 624178 posted 3 days ago 1374502648 15022674 14983668 Ryan Contributor I 1 reply collapsed Maybe the deal will change as the deadline approaches, assuming Houston wants to move him.
Maybe the deal will change as the deadline approaches, assuming Houston wants to move him. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
William Lyons 1547118 posted 6 days ago 1374296346 14994752 William Contributor I 1 comment collapsed I like Gaudin to stay in the rotation when Vogie comes back and they can sit Zito or use him as relief or a spot starter. They are not going to climb back in the race with Zito starting every 5th game.
I like Gaudin to stay in the rotation when Vogie comes back and they can sit Zito or use him as relief or a spot starter. They are not going to climb back in the race with Zito starting every 5th game. 1 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 6 days ago 1374296740 14994816 14994752 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 reply collapsed I agree. I just don't know what they'd do with Zito, however.
I agree. I just don't know what they'd do with Zito, however. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Michael Spangrud 781165 posted 6 days ago 1374251382 14982894 Michael Contributor I 1 comment collapsed it will be a mistake. Norris may give them some good outings, but to think he will be the key to help the Giants win more, is just wishful thinking. We wont nothing more than what they were already going to win unless we get more than Norris. 1 average starting pitcher is not going to change the Giants chances at another series and that's the goal.
it will be a mistake. Norris may give them some good outings, but to think he will be the key to help the Giants win more, is just wishful thinking. We wont nothing more than what they were already going to win unless we get more than Norris. 1 average starting pitcher is not going to change the Giants chances at another series and that's the goal. 1 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
David Lurie 2679025 posted 4 days ago 1374421925 15010839 David Contributor I 1 comment collapsed I like the idea of acquiring Norris for the reasons you stated, but i would be reluctant to part with Blackburn or Stratton, as well as Crick. We're thin on hitters down there and while Brown and Susac would be the key chips, i believe Brown in particular should be saved for a potentially sweeter deal. Also i'm willing to bet Lincecum returns on a one-year deal. That 5-yr $100 mil contract he turned down at the start of 2012 must be looking pretty good to him right about now, and he probably feels he can get back to that level. Of course that's contingent on what he does for the remainder of 2013.
I like the idea of acquiring Norris for the reasons you stated, but i would be reluctant to part with Blackburn or Stratton, as well as Crick. We're thin on hitters down there and while Brown and Susac would be the key chips, i believe Brown in particular should be saved for a potentially sweeter deal. Also i'm willing to bet Lincecum returns on a one-year deal. That 5-yr $100 mil contract he turned down at the start of 2012 must be looking pretty good to him right about now, and he probably feels he can get back to that level. Of course that's contingent on what he does for the remainder of 2013. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 4 days ago 1374431128 15012643 15010839 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 comment collapsed I'm definitely against trading Crick and Blackburn, but Stratton is 22 years old and and pitching in Low-A with an ERA a shade under 4. If we were able to trade for Norris with a deal based around Stratton (meaning no other top prospects included in the trade) then I would want to pull the trigger.
And yes, I'm sure Lincecum would like to rethink his answer.
I'm definitely against trading Crick and Blackburn, but Stratton is 22 years old and and pitching in Low-A with an ERA a shade under 4. If we were able to trade for Norris with a deal based around Stratton (meaning no other top prospects included in the trade) then I would want to pull the trigger.
And yes, I'm sure Lincecum would like to rethink his answer. 2 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
David Lurie 2679025 posted 4 days ago 1374445300 15015180 15012643 David Contributor I 1 reply collapsed Stratton may not be as close to ML ready as the Giants might have hoped when they drafted him, but i still like his K/BB ratio, he has a very high ceiling. Norris for Stratton and minor prospects? It would be worth considering. My question would be would Luhnow go for that, or would he prefer a package of say Agosta and Escobar instead? I dunno, i worry that we don't have that many chips to play with, especially if Sabean has other deals in mind. Houston's in the driver's seat with Norris right now.
Stratton may not be as close to ML ready as the Giants might have hoped when they drafted him, but i still like his K/BB ratio, he has a very high ceiling. Norris for Stratton and minor prospects? It would be worth considering. My question would be would Luhnow go for that, or would he prefer a package of say Agosta and Escobar instead? I dunno, i worry that we don't have that many chips to play with, especially if Sabean has other deals in mind. Houston's in the driver's seat with Norris right now. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Garrett wright 1247180 posted 6 days ago 1374297954 14994980 Garrett Contributor I 1 comment collapsed I agree he is the only guy I see on the market that I think would be a really good addition to the Giants. Don't get me wrong there are other good options but there is something different about Norris. He isn't the biggest name but he is a good hard working quality player. He honestly reminds me of matt cain. It will be interesting to see if the Gmen go after him and what they offer.
I agree he is the only guy I see on the market that I think would be a really good addition to the Giants. Don't get me wrong there are other good options but there is something different about Norris. He isn't the biggest name but he is a good hard working quality player. He honestly reminds me of matt cain. It will be interesting to see if the Gmen go after him and what they offer. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
GRIF 1359999 posted 3 days ago 1374511478 15024820 GRIF Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Totally agree with you on this Kyle. Good article to emphasize not only positives for this season, but in the coming seasons as well. This would not only remedy Zito this season, but to have him hold a spot in the rotation, on the cheap, till the plethora of pitching prospects will be ready to help the parent club by 2015-16. Would be against trading Crick, Agosta, Escobar, and maybe even Stratton. What about Gaudin's future? He seems a little small to be counted on as a starter for a long period of time.
Totally agree with you on this Kyle. Good article to emphasize not only positives for this season, but in the coming seasons as well. This would not only remedy Zito this season, but to have him hold a spot in the rotation, on the cheap, till the plethora of pitching prospects will be ready to help the parent club by 2015-16. Would be against trading Crick, Agosta, Escobar, and maybe even Stratton. What about Gaudin's future? He seems a little small to be counted on as a starter for a long period of time. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Ben Salvi 688912 posted 4 days ago 1374424464 15011265 Ben Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Great new Giants blog, read and comment sfgiantstalk.wordpress.com/
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Rich Man 2598600 posted 5 days ago 1374342584 15000513 Rich Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Giants should move on and forget about Norris or any other pitcher on the market. The only way I would trade Tim Lincecum, is if they got a huge package in return w/ 2 top prospects. Tigers: Nick Castellanos, Rangers: Mike Olt, Red Sox: Jackie Bradley, Yankees: Tyler Austin. I really think he wants to stay with the Giants. At his current value, if he's willing to take $15 million per, I think he'd stay as his velocity has dropped from his cy young days. I don't mind giving up Peguera and a pitching prospect., I'll even throw in Hector Sanchez. I feel that Crick is untouchable right now and he'll likely be in the rotation in 2 years. Blackburn I actually want to keep because I want to see what he has next year. I want to keep Susac as he can become a good backup to Posey in 2 years. He might even start w/ Posey, if Posey plays 1b or dh in interleague games. Panik is our future 2b and the new draftee won't be ready for anothe 4 or 5 years unless he plays lights out. Ryder Jones might be the eventual replacement to Panda in 3 or 4 years, too. I would only consider giving up Blackburn in a trade where they can get Rios and Peavy in a package deal.
Giants should move on and forget about Norris or any other pitcher on the market. The only way I would trade Tim Lincecum, is if they got a huge package in return w/ 2 top prospects. Tigers: Nick Castellanos, Rangers: Mike Olt, Red Sox: Jackie Bradley, Yankees: Tyler Austin. I really think he wants to stay with the Giants. At his current value, if he's willing to take $15 million per, I think he'd stay as his velocity has dropped from his cy young days. I don't mind giving up Peguera and a pitching prospect., I'll even throw in Hector Sanchez. I feel that Crick is untouchable right now and he'll likely be in the rotation in 2 years. Blackburn I actually want to keep because I want to see what he has next year. I want to keep Susac as he can become a good backup to Posey in 2 years. He might even start w/ Posey, if Posey plays 1b or dh in interleague games. Panik is our future 2b and the new draftee won't be ready for anothe 4 or 5 years unless he plays lights out. Ryder Jones might be the eventual replacement to Panda in 3 or 4 years, too. I would only consider giving up Blackburn in a trade where they can get Rios and Peavy in a package deal. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 5 days ago 1374343954 15000809 15000513 Kyle Featured Columnist II 2 replies collapsed I'm not sure if the first sentence of your comment is related to the rest of it? I never suggested trading Lincecum for Norris? And you are asking a lot in return for Lincecum, and I don't think any team would be willing to give up a top prospect for 2 months of an inconsistent Lincecum at 8 million.
I'm not sure if the first sentence of your comment is related to the rest of it? I never suggested trading Lincecum for Norris? And you are asking a lot in return for Lincecum, and I don't think any team would be willing to give up a top prospect for 2 months of an inconsistent Lincecum at 8 million. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
matthew nelson 853588 posted 4 days ago 1374428719 15012073 15000809 matthew Contributor I 1 reply collapsed I think his point is that it's not worth trading Timmy unless you get something huge in return.
I think his point is that it's not worth trading Timmy unless you get something huge in return. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Rich Man 2598600 posted 4 days ago 1374456217 15016965 15000809 Rich Contributor I 1 reply collapsed Astros don't want to take on payroll and they are already out of contention, I am just suggesting, unless they get huge package, I think we should just keep him. He's still a very good pitcher and if we can re-sign him for $10-$15 million, I'd definitely do it. There's only few players I want as a Giant 4 Life and that's Posey, Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum. But obviously, we shouldn't overpay for him like $20 million a year.
Astros don't want to take on payroll and they are already out of contention, I am just suggesting, unless they get huge package, I think we should just keep him. He's still a very good pitcher and if we can re-sign him for $10-$15 million, I'd definitely do it. There's only few players I want as a Giant 4 Life and that's Posey, Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum. But obviously, we shouldn't overpay for him like $20 million a year. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Michael Spangrud 781165 posted 3 days ago 1374509989 15024342 Michael Contributor I 1 comment collapsed Chris Sale from White Sox is now on the Block. SF needs to give up whatever they need to to get him. He is a top pitcher, cheap and under contract for the next 4 years after this year.
Chris Sale from White Sox is now on the Block. SF needs to give up whatever they need to to get him. He is a top pitcher, cheap and under contract for the next 4 years after this year. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
Featured Columnist II Kyle Brown 562016 posted 3 days ago 1374519367 15027269 15024342 Kyle Featured Columnist II 1 reply collapsed I'm shocked that the White Sox would do that... You could build your rotation around Sale for the next 10 years. Outside of Bumgarner, Sale is my favorite pitcher in baseball.
I'm shocked that the White Sox would do that... You could build your rotation around Sale for the next 10 years. Outside of Bumgarner, Sale is my favorite pitcher in baseball. 0 : Like Reply Flag as Offensive Edit Delete Highlight comment
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