sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 13:45:14 GMT -5
Ok, I had nearly decided to just leave this board to the closed-minded individuals who apparently cannot handle more than one topic being discussed here. But then I thought I'm not going to be bullied off a board just because some people don't want to hear it. From now until November you all better be prepared to see TONS of political threads created by and engaged in by me. If you don't like it, that's your problem...contrary to what liberals want, this is America, where free speech reigns. This is an open forum and to my knowledge there are no limitations on what topics may or may not be discussed. Nobody's forcing you to participate in or even read my posts. I certainly wont be offended if you choose to ignore them. You can either choose to broaden your horizons and engage in much needed and important election discussion, or just stick with your own baseball threads which do not force you to think about such things.
~Dood
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 13, 2012 15:59:04 GMT -5
You're wrong. Do you start talking about baseball on political boards? Do you go on Web Md and start talking about what you like to eat? Do you go to musical discussions and tell them what clothes you like to wear? It's out of place here. There was a baseball discussion here the other day that shifted into politics and that's ok, because it spontaneously came up, but to go out your way and start political threads is wrong. It doesn't belong here. And please tell me why it's important? It's totally unnecessary. I haven't seen a single poster here whose political comments would make me think they're undecided about who they're voting for. Maybe you can find a San Francisco Giants board for independent voters and bring your "important" opinions over there.
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Post by allenreed on Aug 13, 2012 16:32:20 GMT -5
Nothing "spontaneously comes up". Someone had to bring it up. I think any opinions on this election are important. It's pivotal to the direction and future of our country. Much more so than how much any of us dislike Dodger fans.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 13, 2012 16:48:30 GMT -5
Ok, I had nearly decided to just leave this board to the closed-minded individuals who apparently cannot handle more than one topic being discussed here. But then I thought I'm not going to be bullied off a board just because some people don't want to hear it. From now until November you all better be prepared to see TONS of political threads created by and engaged in by me.
---boly says---
Randy, I am an ultra conservative. In fact, I'm so far to the right, to make a left hand turn, I have to turn right 3 time!
But I agree with Mark. Do you discuss baseball on a politcal board? Or a religious board?
Likely not.
All I'M asking, not bullying, is that on the Giant board, we, as much as possible, avoid politics.
Why?
Because it polorizes people. It absolutely does.
We have the Giants and the pennant race in common, why not stick to what we all love? The Giants?
What can possibly be gained by arguing back and forth and back and forth? Nothing.
You and I are not going to change the minds of any liberal, and they are not going to change our minds. It's as simple as that.
Let's stick to our common ground, and have fun with it. We can disagree about things, and you and I frequently do, but we don't have to divide over them.
With politics, it's different. Politics break up friendships and marriages. I just don't see the upside by innundating the board with political stuff.
So please, Randy, I'm begging you:
1-Don't feel bullied. No one is trying to bully you or anyone else.
2-We have a common ground; the Giants. Let's enjoy what we have going, which, as Mark pointed out, could lead to a show down with the Nationals in October, and maybe... just maybe...
3-Don't let the other side get under your skin. That's what Politics does. It ticks people off
4-Stay on the board. Even though you and I often disagree, you frequently point out a side of a case/argument that I hadn't considered. THAT, to me, is valuable.
boly
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 16:52:04 GMT -5
I seem to recall a recent long discussion here on what Alaska cruises are best and what they include. Something a lot less relevant to all of us here than the results of a presidential election and far off the topic of Giants baseball too, by the way. Seems pretty hypocritical to criticize the political talk behind that.
Again, this is America. Boagie hasn't told me that there are limits to the subject matter here, and until he DOES, I'm not going to let you or anyone else tell me what I can and cannot post about. If you don't like it...well, then it sucks to be you because you're only giving me incentive to INCREASE the number of political threads I had already planned to create.
~Dood
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 13, 2012 16:54:43 GMT -5
I seem to recall a recent long discussion here on what Alaska cruises are best and what they include. Something a lot less relevant to all of us here than the results of a presidential election and far off the topic of Giants baseball too, by the way. Seems pretty hypocritical to criticize the political talk behind that.
---boly says=---
Randy, I gave you a reason why; polorization.
As I said, I have NOTHING against brief, off topic posts.
But politics is different. I don't understand why you can't/don't/won't see that.
Allen is right, this IS an important election. But there are other venues to hash it out.
Heck, face it, there aren't many of us left here.
Why leave or do something that drives others away?
boly
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 16:54:46 GMT -5
fyi...that last post was directed at Rx,
~Dood
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 17:04:52 GMT -5
Boly - Don't feel bullied. No one is trying to bully you or anyone else.
Dood - Once again...this is a public forum. To censor it is a form of bullying, and I refuse to be bullied in any way.
Boly - Don't let the other side get under your skin. That's what Politics does. It ticks people off
Dood - nothing any of the liberals here post ticks me off in the least. Most often I feel pity for them or am simply amused at their faulty logic.
Boly - Stay on the board. Even though you and I often disagree, you frequently point out a side of a case/argument that I hadn't considered. THAT, to me, is valuable.
Dood - you just pointed out EXACTLY why we should continue political discussion here in this crucial time in the country's history
~Dood
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 13, 2012 17:30:59 GMT -5
Actually it was a short discussion about Alaska cruises, which Boly and I subsequently took to email where it belonged. That's why I said occasionally a baseball conversation diverts into something else, but it should never be introduced as a topic. As for Allen agreeing it's important, again as Boly said, everyone has their political beliefs and it's not getting changed here, so it's definitely unimportant. Boagie started this as a discussion about the Giants, there's definitely nothing stopping anyone from starting their own political board, and inviting whoever they want.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 17:56:23 GMT -5
Rx - Actually it was a short discussion about Alaska cruises, which Boly and I subsequently took to email where it belonged. That's why I said occasionally a baseball conversation diverts into something else, but it should never be introduced as a topic. As for Allen agreeing it's important, again as Boly said, everyone has their political beliefs and it's not getting changed here, so it's definitely unimportant. Boagie started this as a discussion about the Giants, there's definitely nothing stopping anyone from starting their own political board, and inviting whoever they want.
Dood - It actually is VERY common for threads to be created on public forums that divert from the originally intended subject matter. I recall during the Casey Anthony trial, another baseball board I went to at the time was ONLY discussing the trial and the verdict. I have no problem at all if you want to discuss other things here...the olympics, fishing rods, music, politics or cruise ships. That's the great part of America. If you don't like a subject, it's a very easy thing to ignore that subject. Why is that so hard for some people? Someone needs to explain why censorship makes more sense than personal choice.
~Dood
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 13, 2012 20:16:09 GMT -5
Allen -- I think any opinions on this election are important. It's pivotal to the direction and future of our country. Much more so than how much any of us dislike Dodger fans. Rog -- You are absoloutely right. But sports are a diversion from the "real" world, and this is a sports board. No problem with getting off topic on occasion, but some here seem to post more about politics than sports -- and given the nature of this board, that just doesn't seem right. In that one post I was excited because I thought the Giants had acquired another player or were at least rumored to do so. Imagine my disappointment when I found out the post had nothing to do with baseball and that I had gotten my hopes up for nothing. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=649#ixzz23TkEdzDx |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 13, 2012 20:18:41 GMT -5
Randy -- I seem to recall a recent long discussion here on what Alaska cruises are best and what they include. Something a lot less relevant to all of us here than the results of a presidential election and far off the topic of Giants baseball too, by the way. Seems pretty hypocritical to criticize the political talk behind that. Rog -- It's a matter of VOLUME. The volume of posts on Alaska have got to be no more than 1% of the volume on politics. No one is saying here that politics aren't important. We're simply saying that the venue is at best questionable. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=649&page=1#ixzz23Tl6mm5v |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 13, 2012 20:24:46 GMT -5
Dood - It actually is VERY common for threads to be created on public forums that divert from the originally intended subject matter. I recall during the Casey Anthony trial, another baseball board I went to at the time was ONLY discussing the trial and the verdict. Rog -- Two wrongs don't make a right. Randy -- I have no problem at all if you want to discuss other things here...the olympics, fishing rods, music, politics or cruise ships. Rog -- I don't think any of us do. It's the volume we object to. This isn't a proper venue for the volume of politics we have seen here. NO ONE CHANGES HIS OPINION ANYWAY. Randy -- That's the great part of America. If you don't like a subject, it's a very easy thing to ignore that subject. Rog -- The problem is that the title of the post is baseball, and then it digresses into politics. If we tune out the thread, we run the risk of missing something that actually appliees to baseball. Randy -- Why is that so hard for some people? Someone needs to explain why censorship makes more sense than personal choice. Rog -- No one said it did. No one is telling you not to post on politics. We're merely saying not to post excessively here. I can't necessarily say there is a correlation, but overall I have felt you were an observant, analytical and succinct poster. Lately though, that hasn't seemed to be the case as often -- even on baseball topics. I for one would love to see you get back to being you. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=649&page=1#ixzz23TlmKEJb |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 13, 2012 20:29:04 GMT -5
Boly - Don't feel bullied. No one is trying to bully you or anyone else. Dood - Once again...this is a public forum. To censor it is a form of bullying, and I refuse to be bullied in any way. Rog -- Randy, did it ever dawn on you that those who actually want to discuss baseball on a baseball might consider your continuing to overpost off topic to be bullying? I don't think it would be all that hard to start up a political board or join an already existing one, would it? There is no bullying or censorship going on here (aside perhaps from the de facto bullying of those who refuse to avoid overtalking about off-topic items). Say what you want. Simply say it in a more appropriate venue. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=649&page=1#ixzz23TnIC7lZ |
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 13, 2012 21:07:14 GMT -5
How about prefacing each new political thread with a warning, like "OT" or "politics" or "more republican propaganda" or something like that? I wouldn't complain if you did that.
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 22:56:02 GMT -5
How about prefacing each new political thread with a warning, like "OT" or "politics" or "more republican propaganda" or something like that? I wouldn't complain if you did that.
Dood - sure...right after you change your user name to Closed Minded Liberal
~Dood
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 23:11:25 GMT -5
Boly - Don't feel bullied. No one is trying to bully you or anyone else.
Dood - Once again...this is a public forum. To censor it is a form of bullying, and I refuse to be bullied in any way.
Rog -- Randy, did it ever dawn on you that those who actually want to discuss baseball on a baseball might consider your continuing to overpost off topic to be bullying?
Dood - I'm not forcing anyone to read or participate in my posts or threads. You all have the option to completely ignore me if that's what you want. Not telling anybody what to do, what to post on what not to post on...not bullying anyone.
~Dood
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 13, 2012 23:21:17 GMT -5
Rx - You're wrong. Do you start talking about baseball on political boards? Do you go on Web Md and start talking about what you like to eat? Do you go to musical discussions and tell them what clothes you like to wear? It's out of place here. There was a baseball discussion here the other day that shifted into politics and that's ok, because it spontaneously came up, but to go out your way and start political threads is wrong. It doesn't belong here. And please tell me why it's important? It's totally unnecessary. I haven't seen a single poster here whose political comments would make me think they're undecided about who they're voting for. Maybe you can find a San Francisco Giants board for independent voters and bring your "important" opinions over there.
Dood - just say what you mean. It's painfully obvious that you ONLY object to the political talk when it disagrees with your rigid ideology. If I were starting threads on how we all get a thrill up our legs whenever Obama speaks like Chris Matthews, and how we want 4 more years so Obama can turn us into Greece because they are doing so well, then you would have no objection at all.
~Dood
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 14, 2012 8:21:14 GMT -5
Must kill you that Obama is running so far ahead in the polls, doesn't it? How can so many people be so dumb when you're so smart? Let's replace the person who couldn't fix the economic mess with the people that actually caused the economic mess! That will work out well. Wait everybody, stop the presses. All Democrats will now switch to the Republican side because Randy Dood is going to show you Hannity and Limbaugh's new video!
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Post by allenreed on Aug 14, 2012 10:04:28 GMT -5
Why?
Because it polorizes people. It absolutely does.
Allen- Our President polarizes people, yet we let him talk.
What can possibly be gained by arguing back and forth and back and forth? Nothing.
Allen- Then why have the board at all? We argue back and forth about baseball, and nothing is gained.
You and I are not going to change the minds of any liberal, and they are not going to change our minds. It's as simple as that.
Allen- I haven't noticed alot of minds being changed about baseball, either.
Let's stick to our common ground, and have fun with it. We can disagree about things, and you and I frequently do, but we don't have to divide over them.
Allen- That's exactly right. No matter what the subject. People are entitled to their opinions, everyone doesn't have to think alike. I wish liberals realized this.
I think it was Patton who said "If everyone's thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
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Post by allenreed on Aug 14, 2012 10:07:34 GMT -5
Dood - just say what you mean. It's painfully obvious that you ONLY object to the political talk when it disagrees with your rigid ideology. If I were starting threads on how we all get a thrill up our legs whenever Obama speaks like Chris Matthews, and how we want 4 more years so Obama can turn us into Greece because they are doing so well, then you would have no objection at all.
Allen- BINGO! If you agree, then you're fine. If you don't, you have no right to speak.
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Post by allenreed on Aug 14, 2012 10:10:18 GMT -5
[Must kill you that Obama is running so far ahead in the polls, doesn't it? How can so many people be so dumb when you're so smart?
Allen- me being smart doesn't have alot to do with it, but you have to wonder how so many people can be so stupid as to want four more years of this. I guess they really, really don't want to work.
Let's replace the person who couldn't fix the economic mess with the people that actually caused the economic mess!
Allen- How did Romney cause the economic mess? Hey, follow all the other lemmings over the cliff.
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Post by allenreed on Aug 14, 2012 10:29:22 GMT -5
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Let's replace the person who couldn't fix the economic mess with the people that actually caused the economic mess!
A) They didn't cause the economic mess. B) They have a plan. What is Obama's plan? Kick the can down the road and let someone else deal with it. Meanwhile get re-elected by pandering to people.
Obama, doesn't have a record. He's spent most of his first term vacationing, whining, and campaigning. He doesn't have a plan. he has offered, and still offers nothing. I'll take the people with the plan. As a not so great man (Obama) once said: "The status quo is unsustainable."
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 14, 2012 10:59:36 GMT -5
Rx - Must kill you that Obama is running so far ahead in the polls, doesn't it?
Dood - First of all, I'm not the one trying to shout down the liberal voice here, so i would argue you are the one more worried than I...although we all should be worried that there is even a chance that Obama gets another 4 years, unless you really would love to see what's happening in Greece happen over here.
That said, I have yet to see you refer to any specific poll that you claim Obama is so far ahead in. The polls I have seen recently have it pretty close to a dead heat. When an incumbant is garnering less than half the decided votes, that usually doesn't bode well for re-election. When the debates start and Obama is forced to debate the issues instead of just slinging mud, we shall see where the polls go.
Rx - How can so many people be so dumb when you're so smart?
Dood - For whatever reason I cannot fathom, lots of people still believe the mainstream media which way too obviously slants its coverage to the left.
Rx - Let's replace the person who couldn't fix the economic mess with the people that actually caused the economic mess!
Dood - the people that caused the mess were the Dems in Congress, aided unwittingly by Bush, who caved in to their overspending ways like a nitwit. Romney had nothing to do with "causing" this economic mess. So you tell me what is worse...electing a guy that happens to be from the same party as the president who was in office when the recession began...or re-electing the one that promised to improve things but just made them worse, and has no new ideas to turn it around?
Rx - That will work out well. Wait everybody, stop the presses. All Democrats will now switch to the Republican side because Randy Dood is going to show you Hannity and Limbaugh's new video!
Dood - I don't show videos of talk hosts...I will mostly be showing videos of Obama himself...nothing could be a clearer indictment of his failed policies than his own words. By the way...it doesnt seem to be bothering you today to be discussing politics here. Nice hypocrisy.
~Dood
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Post by allenreed on Aug 14, 2012 11:05:18 GMT -5
Two scary things about another Obama term.
1) He won't have to worry about getting re-elected.
2) The ruling on Obamacare allows him to use taxes as a punitive measure or to modify behavior he doesn't like.
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Post by donk on Aug 14, 2012 12:18:31 GMT -5
Two scary things about another Obama term. 1) He won't have to worry about getting re-elected. 2) The ruling on Obamacare allows him to use taxes as a punitive measure or to modify behavior he doesn't like. dk...you mean that part of Obama care that Romney invented and the Repugs insisted it had to be in the bill.....you are really pathetic.....are you really that uniinformed?  and maybe if he is re-elected, the repugs will release all those 150 job creating bills they filibusted to stop Obama getting re-elected.... |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 14, 2012 16:03:12 GMT -5
Obama is a White Sox fan, isn't he?
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 14, 2012 16:30:28 GMT -5
dk...you mean that part of Obama care that Romney invented and the Repugs insisted it had to be in the bill.....you are really pathetic.....are you really that uniinformed? and maybe if he is re-elected, the repugs will release all those 150 job creating bills they filibusted to stop Obama getting re-elected.... Dood - You mean with a majority of Dems in the house and a supermajority in the senate, Obama still couldnt get his wonderful bills passed easily? Doesn't sound like the guy who was supposed to unite the parties to me. Sounds like the same old tax and spend liberal we all know to be job killers, not creators. By your whiney logic, no president would ever have any accountability. As for Romneycare...he did it, he owned up to it being a mistake and he's not going to let the country suffer through the disaster of government run health care. ~Dood |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 14, 2012 18:25:28 GMT -5
I understand Romney has a baseball Mitt. Tigers fan?
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Post by rxmeister on Aug 14, 2012 18:48:27 GMT -5
Romney has to be a Yankees fan, Rog. They're in the top 1 % of baseball's richest teams. I'm sure he thinks revenue sharing is a Socialist measure thought up by Obama.
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and maybe if he is re-elected, the repugs will release all those 150 job creating bills they filibusted to stop Obama getting re-elected....