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Tyler
Apr 1, 2024 22:56:27 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 1, 2024 22:56:27 GMT -5
Tyler gave up a lot of home runs last year in very few winnings
Frankly I was surprised he was with the team this dear when we left spring training.
He gives up another bomb tonight on a pitch right down the heart of the plate.
The good control he showed in the past was not there for a lot of last year.
I cannot see him staying with us the whole year.
Same with austin slater.
I'm betting he doesn't last to the trade deadline.
And i'm okay with that because it allows Matos to play
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 13:10:37 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Apr 2, 2024 13:10:37 GMT -5
Relievers are erratic and cannot be counted on year after year. Tyler has had three decent years so he's probably run out his string.
Slater is always hurt and probably playing through his shoulder pain. I would have put him on the injured list and they should have gone with Matos or anybody. Matos is considered a foundational piece and he doesn't benefit from being churned back and forth from Sacramento.
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 14:33:00 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 2, 2024 14:33:00 GMT -5
I agree.
But there's a part of me that thinks that this early season is an audition for slater.
Last. Year really O k but I think they're expecting more of him versus left handed pitching.
Plus he is so streaky and right now.He's not in one of his good streaks
And based upon his arm I was surprised to see him in there at all.
That's why I think this is an audition, That if he doesn't pass he's gonna be shipped out
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 15:06:10 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Apr 2, 2024 15:06:10 GMT -5
He had used up his last arbitration year so he will be a free agent at the end of the year. To me, its amazing he's lasted this long on the team because he's just a journeyman who always gets hurt and only good at hitting lefties. i'm not sure if they will get anything for him if they cut him loose. Slater is in a similar situation to JD Davis so he will not bring anything in trade and no one will want to do the Giants a favor by picking up the salary by claiming him on waivers. IF he gets DFA, he can be re-signed by another team as a free agent at the minimum.
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 16:53:56 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Apr 2, 2024 16:53:56 GMT -5
Could be.
But I never underestimate the foolishness of other GM's.
From what I read they had some takers for JD... but it fell through.
Slater I don't think makes that much money.
I'm betting they can get someone for him.
I just want him gone.
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 18:19:24 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Apr 2, 2024 18:19:24 GMT -5
The salary hit is a big deal, especially for teams near or above the CBA tax level. Even though he doesn't make that much, for a team over the CBA tax level, the multipliers are significant. If the Giants trade him, they may need to kick in some money if they want a prospect, next best scenario is that he gets picked up on waivers and the other team is burdened with his salary. If he passes through waivers, he is owed the salary by the Giants and other team is obligated to only pay the major league minimum. All this stuff is on Cot's contracts and baseball reference so it is really unlikely they can dump his salary or even expect a prospect for him. If a team isn't aware of Cot's by now, its almost malpractice since every team should have an army of accountants at their disposal. In the past, they could trade him to an ignorant GM for a prospect or even a bucket of balls but nowadays, we have to look at it as moving salaries around.
For JD, every team knew the Giants would waive him so they could simply wait for him to pass through waivers and save a few million. After he passed waivers, there was no need to surrender a prospect or pay his inflated arbitration salary.
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 19:07:36 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Apr 2, 2024 19:07:36 GMT -5
Relievers are erratic and cannot be counted on year after year. Tyler has had three decent years so he's probably run out his string. Slater is always hurt and probably playing through his shoulder pain. I would have put him on the injured list and they should have gone with Matos or anybody. Matos is considered a foundational piece and he doesn't benefit from being churned back and forth from Sacramento. I don't disagree.
But, starting last season, his decline is accelerating.
He gave up 7 HRs in only 66 ip.
That's an outrageous number for a reliever who's supposed to be "bridge" guy.
From what I saw last night, and last year, he's not locating as he once did.
And with his low velocity, location is even more important.
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 20:19:15 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Apr 2, 2024 20:19:15 GMT -5
Sidearmers are a novelty the first time around but the more hitters see them, hitters learn to block out the weird delivery and if they don't have good stuff, they become more and more hittable each year. Tyler's struggles are not a surprise but to me, the surprise is that he has lasted four years.
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Tyler
Apr 2, 2024 22:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Apr 2, 2024 22:30:04 GMT -5
I think i'm going to respectfully disagree.
There have been a number of submariners have been extremely successful for a long time
Kent Tekulve, And ted abernathy just to mention two.
Everyone seems to think they only survive because of deception but that is just not true.
Submariners get tremendous down action, And if thrown properly the breaking ball goes up and away as it rises
But starting last year, Maybe even the year before, Tyler's breaking ball does not do that anymore.
It just kind of rolls on up there.
And that doesn't even address the issue of location, And his location just keeps getting worse and worse each season
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Tyler
Apr 3, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Apr 3, 2024 9:20:42 GMT -5
Tyler is not on the same level as Tekulve or Abernathy. I felt he was just a guy with a gimmick delivery and not especially skilled. His pitches are generally low speed with no movement so that is why he’s getting hammered. The NL West has seen him for four years and he is getting exposed.
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Tyler
Apr 3, 2024 9:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Apr 3, 2024 9:58:44 GMT -5
I felt that too, Reed, and I talked about it numerous times here, but Tyler has been successful for a number of years now, so I think he's better than just the gimmick delivery.
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Tyler
Apr 3, 2024 10:14:59 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Apr 3, 2024 10:14:59 GMT -5
He "had" movement. At least more than he has now.
He HAD better command.
That all seemed to disappear, eroding in a consistent manner as last year progressed.
Thing is, right now, we have very few options.
And I don't think his brother, Taylor, is much better.
There is a REASON he stopped being a closer a couple of years back, much of it with command.
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Tyler
Apr 3, 2024 11:59:03 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Apr 3, 2024 11:59:03 GMT -5
I think i'm going to respectfully disagree. There have been a number of submariners have been extremely successful for a long time Kent Tekulve, And ted abernathy just to mention two. Everyone seems to think they only survive because of deception but that is just not true. Submariners get tremendous down action, And if thrown properly the breaking ball goes up and away as it rises But starting last year, Maybe even the year before, Tyler's breaking ball does not do that anymore. It just kind of rolls on up there. And that doesn't even address the issue of location, And his location just keeps getting worse and worse each season In 2022, he noticed some problems with his delivery and he thought that if the Giants signed Taylor, Taylor would be able to help him. As they were growing up, Taylor knew Tyler's delivery better than anyone else and I think he did help a bit. Now both of them are suspect. I've always mentioned that one of Zaidi's blind spots is bullpen, even going back to when he was working with the Dodgers. The Dodgers only figured it out after Zaidi left and now he's been doing the same for the Giants and it was particularly glaring this spring when they couldn't figure out left handed relief.
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