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Nov 6, 2023 11:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 6, 2023 11:37:47 GMT -5
Anybody know where we are in the process of signing coaches? Cuz I haven't heard one thing.
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Nov 8, 2023 19:17:49 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 8, 2023 19:17:49 GMT -5
Melvin wanted a mix of current coaches for continuity, older coaches for experience, and newer coaches for analytics. Fz was talking to Price
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Nov 11, 2023 6:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 11, 2023 6:41:19 GMT -5
Matt, Burrell, Christenson added. Correa and Richardson gone. Viele, Guerrero, and Martinez and Nakken retained. Pitching coaches in flux pending Bailey. Too many Kapler coaches and I would have canned all the leftover hitting coaches. It is clear to me they are trying to sweep away the Kapler stench by getting rid of Correa and Richardson, two of his closest coaching buddies but the hitting was a greater problem.
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Nov 11, 2023 16:33:56 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Nov 11, 2023 16:33:56 GMT -5
Burrell is a good add because pitchers have figured out how to counter launch angle and Pat is pushing for more frequent contact.
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Nov 12, 2023 6:17:28 GMT -5
Post by pachyderm on Nov 12, 2023 6:17:28 GMT -5
All I know is we need at least 2 threads about it...
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Nov 12, 2023 13:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 12, 2023 13:11:00 GMT -5
Matt, Burrell, Christenson added. Correa and Richardson gone. Viele, Guerrero, and Martinez and Nakken retained. Pitching coaches in flux pending Bailey. Too many Kapler coaches and I would have canned all the leftover hitting coaches. It is clear to me they are trying to sweep away the Kapler stench by getting rid of Correa and Richardson, two of his closest coaching buddies but the hitting was a greater problem. And the world would we retain the chick? Absolutely no purpose is served by having her on the staff. None!
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Nov 12, 2023 13:37:39 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 12, 2023 13:37:39 GMT -5
Virtue signaling. again.
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Nov 12, 2023 15:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 12, 2023 15:25:36 GMT -5
I think there is a good interview somewhere on the web where Burrell discusses how pitchers have adjusted to launch angle and hitters in system learning how to slap down to counter that. Mccovey chronicles tended to be rough on Burrell mentioning his alcoholism. Not too cool of them.
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Nov 13, 2023 17:37:54 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Nov 13, 2023 17:37:54 GMT -5
Not cool and ridiculous!
A TON of humans in our country have suffered from this, and they know you never 'beat' it.
But when one is aware of the problem, they take steps to counter that need.
The last thing they need is to be constantly hounded by their poor choices in the past by current morons
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Nov 13, 2023 17:38:32 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Nov 13, 2023 17:38:32 GMT -5
Virtue signaling. again. You've used that phrase before, Reed, but I don't know what it means.
help!
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Nov 13, 2023 18:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 13, 2023 18:09:59 GMT -5
It is where you parade around your politics and ideals to show what a “good person” you are. This is always done in front of cameras and main key words are diversity and inclusiveness. Virtue signaling doesn’t require a person to actually do much but simply go along with the flow of what is popular. It’s what Kapler did, it’s what the Giants do. Nike did it when they supported kaepernick and Apple does it by not including cables with new iPhones and say it’s for the environment.
Main thing is it’s all for show.
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Nov 13, 2023 18:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 13, 2023 18:13:07 GMT -5
Not cool and ridiculous! A TON of humans in our country have suffered from this, and they know you never 'beat' it. But when one is aware of the problem, they take steps to counter that need. The last thing they need is to be constantly hounded by their poor choices in the past by current morons Mccovey chronicles also slammed Williams saying that he helped the Giants the most when he pulled Zimmerman in 2014. Never mind all he did with the Giants. For some reason, Bryan Murphy is being a bit caustic with the Giants hires.
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Nov 14, 2023 14:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 14, 2023 14:48:38 GMT -5
Price added. Also Garvin Alston from River cats as bullpen coach to replace Albernaz . I’m still annoyed they retained Nakken, Viele, and Guerrero.
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Nov 14, 2023 18:46:15 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Nov 14, 2023 18:46:15 GMT -5
Price added. Also Garvin Alston from River cats as bullpen coach to replace Albernaz . I’m still annoyed they retained Nakken, Viele, and Guerrero. Who is Price, Reed?
And I'll be annoyed forever that we rehired the chick.
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Nov 14, 2023 18:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 14, 2023 18:57:05 GMT -5
Bryan Price, manager of the Reds after Baker left.
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Nov 14, 2023 21:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 14, 2023 21:31:02 GMT -5
Seems like pitching staffs tend to be in upper 25% wherever he goes. Supposedly he’s a quiet guy but intelligent and not one to follow a analytics formula. Quiet guy famous for an expletive laden rant in Cincinnati. Saddled with rebuilding teams so manager record is not indicative.
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Nov 14, 2023 23:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 14, 2023 23:41:17 GMT -5
I would have preferred Niebla but Price is a safe choice
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Nov 15, 2023 1:40:13 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 15, 2023 1:40:13 GMT -5
I would've preferred Vogelsong.
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Nov 15, 2023 2:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 15, 2023 2:38:37 GMT -5
Vogelsong >> Price but I think FZ doesn’t like him and Melvin wants guys he knows. Niebla is fluent in Spanish and might have been able to help Doval. Also, it might have been that Vogey did not want to work with FZ and the analytic clowns. I get the feeling that while Vogelsong can be a great coach, working under Zaidi or the analytics team would add a few layers of complications. Slusser hinted last month that Vogey might not have wanted to deal with this on a daily basis. Locally, the quote was that Burrell and Vogey were expected last month to be promoted but it wasn't clear if they would accept. No sense in working in a situation where management is always looking over his shoulders and his own input being disrespected. I can see that he would be having to answer to 30 guys.
When I retired, I was working under about 4 supervisors and also had compliance and multiple internal auditors and government to deal with. It's not for everyone and it's harder if you are older or used to being a lone wolf.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 15, 2023 20:11:41 GMT -5
You might be right, but it does appear they're adding more baseball guys to the mix. Price and Williams are more anti-sabremetrics, and I doubt Burrell is on board with Sabremetrics, since he always liked to work the count when he was playing. I believe Farhan is now in phase 2 of saving his ass, he wants to hide behind the baseball guys and he'll surely blame them if next season goes wrong.
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Nov 15, 2023 21:00:01 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Nov 15, 2023 21:00:01 GMT -5
You might be right, but it does appear they're adding more baseball guys to the mix. Price and Williams are more anti-sabremetrics, and I doubt Burrell is on board with Sabremetrics, since he always liked to work the count when he was playing. I believe Farhan is now in phase 2 of saving his ass, he wants to hide behind the baseball guys and he'll surely blame them if next season goes wrong. Interesting observation, boagie.
I hadn't thought of that.
My guess... my inclination is that you are right.
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Nov 15, 2023 23:06:31 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 15, 2023 23:06:31 GMT -5
You might be right, but it does appear they're adding more baseball guys to the mix. Price and Williams are more anti-sabremetrics, and I doubt Burrell is on board with Sabremetrics, since he always liked to work the count when he was playing. I believe Farhan is now in phase 2 of saving his ass, he wants to hide behind the baseball guys and he'll surely blame them if next season goes wrong. I think Buster will make sure there is no Phase 3
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Nov 15, 2023 23:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 15, 2023 23:45:01 GMT -5
You might be right, but it does appear they're adding more baseball guys to the mix. Price and Williams are more anti-sabremetrics, and I doubt Burrell is on board with Sabremetrics, since he always liked to work the count when he was playing. I believe Farhan is now in phase 2 of saving his ass, he wants to hide behind the baseball guys and he'll surely blame them if next season goes wrong. Burrell hates the launch angle stuff. He wants to teach contact and situational hitting
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Nov 15, 2023 23:48:00 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 15, 2023 23:48:00 GMT -5
You might be right, but it does appear they're adding more baseball guys to the mix. Price and Williams are more anti-sabremetrics, and I doubt Burrell is on board with Sabremetrics, since he always liked to work the count when he was playing. I believe Farhan is now in phase 2 of saving his ass, he wants to hide behind the baseball guys and he'll surely blame them if next season goes wrong. Vogey does not need the money and he probably doesn’t want to deal with 3 dozen guys, most of which never played the game. My feeling is that he will be coach if FZ gets the boot.
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Nov 17, 2023 14:20:54 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Nov 17, 2023 14:20:54 GMT -5
You might be right, but it does appear they're adding more baseball guys to the mix. Price and Williams are more anti-sabremetrics, and I doubt Burrell is on board with Sabremetrics, since he always liked to work the count when he was playing. I believe Farhan is now in phase 2 of saving his ass, he wants to hide behind the baseball guys and he'll surely blame them if next season goes wrong. Price was recently interviewed and mentioned using analytics to help starters get deeper into games. That is encouraging.
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Nov 17, 2023 19:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 17, 2023 19:18:56 GMT -5
Price added. Also Garvin Alston from River cats as bullpen coach to replace Albernaz . I’m still annoyed they retained Nakken, Viele, and Guerrero. Who is Price, Reed?
And I'll be annoyed forever that we rehired the chick.Wait till she has to leave every few hours for nursing. I used to get annoyed with co-workers locking themselves in the office and taking time to pump every couple of hours. It would be worse with male athletes.
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Nov 17, 2023 22:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 17, 2023 22:18:22 GMT -5
Alston seems to have been selected to help mentor the young pitchers. Beck and Hjelle have spoken positively about him.
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Nov 17, 2023 23:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 17, 2023 23:16:21 GMT -5
Hjelle velocity, tremendous amount of movement on his fastball. Certainly would be nice if he would learn to harness something simple like control. Sarcasm intended. Maybe this guy can help. Certainly can't hurt
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Nov 18, 2023 0:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Nov 18, 2023 0:18:35 GMT -5
Hjelle velocity, tremendous amount of movement on his fastball. Certainly would be nice if he would learn to harness something simple like control. Sarcasm intended. Maybe this guy can help. Certainly can't hurt Hjelle liked working with Allston in Sac so maybe he can help him. To be honest, I’m surprised Hjelle was not traded to free up some 40 man room. For tall guys, control is not simple. Outside of Randy Johnson and JR Richard, they are rare.
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Nov 21, 2023 10:06:13 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Nov 21, 2023 10:06:13 GMT -5
Here is a quote from Price that I found encouraging and more in line with the old school way of thinking.
Let starters pitch the innings. It’s no discredit to anybody. I think it’s more of an industry-wide issue. The industry has gotten comfortable deciding that the less exposure for starters in the middle and later innings, the better. The stats tell you that the third and fourth time through the lineup, (hitting) numbers go up significantly. Those stats don’t lie. But because we’ve been trying to avoid injuries at all costs, we’ve given all of the pitchers less exposure. But the game is still nine innings. Whatever outs the starter leaves on the table will be absorbed by the bullpen. And with limitations on the number of pitchers you can have, unless you constantly rotate guys back and forth from the minor leagues, which I don’t think is terribly healthy either, you’re going to overuse your bullpen in the first half of the season. So for me to see a major-league team be consistently good over the long term, you need to have depth in the rotation and have pitchers beyond your No. 1 or 2 that are capable of throwing more than five innings, that are hungry and that are allowed to continue into the sixth, seventh, eighth innings when they’re on and pitching well. The only way to do that is to get them stretched out to where it’s reasonable to be out there with 110 or 115 pitches. You can’t ask that of a young guy who hasn’t thrown more than 80 or 85 pitches. It’s just not realistic. There’s times in a season when your bullpen is beat up and your starter that day has to be ready to take on a larger workload. You may need those seven innings and 120 pitches. You need your starters to be ready for that.
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