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Post by holiday613 on Sept 21, 2023 11:29:30 GMT -5
Now that we tanked and the playoffs are out of the picture, the Brilliant Giants brass finally decide to bring up TF, a guy who has been a 20/20 hitter for two seasons in a row,a guy with 39 stolen bases who plays all over the field with a decent glove..
FZ instead chose to go with crap like Camargo, Wisely,Decock, Villar and anyone else's piece of shit that he could pick up on the waiver wire, instead of a gem he had stashed away in AAA..
Only the Giants.....
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2023 12:38:13 GMT -5
Baffling.
Those guys don't bother me because they did not give up much in player capital for them but the one that hurt the most was trading Berroa for useless Donovan Walton.
For some reason, they don't give much leash to the players that graduated from AAA. I think Villar got the shaft because JD was hot at the beginning of the year and most of the rest aside from BAiley and Matos are riding the I-80 shuttle. IF these clowns saw Willie Mays' 1 for 26 to start his career, they probably would have banished him back to Minneapolis never to return.
I heard the problem with Fitz was that he struck out too much but how would they know if they don't give him a chance? I agree that they wasted too much time with Camargo, AJ, etc when potential solutions are already in house.
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 21, 2023 15:37:38 GMT -5
He does strike out a lot, but so do almost every Giant on this roster..Still no excuse..FZ screwed the pooch
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2023 17:15:44 GMT -5
He does strike out a lot, but so do almost every Giant on this roster..Still no excuse..FZ screwed the pooch That's why I feel it was baffling. All the Giants strike out a lot so its like he fits right in.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 21, 2023 19:34:27 GMT -5
I wonder if any of the sports writers have the guts to ask management why.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 22, 2023 4:44:07 GMT -5
The corresponding is Craw goes on IL and done as a Giant. DeJong released. Not hard to see why people are livid.
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 22, 2023 8:14:38 GMT -5
Reed, aside from myself, do you see others livid?
TF has the only extra base hit last night..Not a bad start
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Post by reedonly on Sept 22, 2023 9:10:56 GMT -5
Grant Brisbee had an article in Athletic yesterday questioning why Giants fans were livid and he got a deluge of responses. He felt that the main causes were Dodgers being good, overuse of analytics, and unfulfilled promises. Our anger I believe comes from people being arrogant and not accountable. Yaz said yesterday that he doesn’t hear people going around saying “don’t make mistakes “ but he is not seeing people say that they made a mistake or any solutions.
The fans are defnitely not stupid. Comments on the Athletic, whenthegiantscometotown, McCovey Chronicles, and Around The Foghorn where most of the hardcore fans post have dozens of ticked off people. Our anger might even be greater than MEts and Padres fans who had high hopes.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 22, 2023 11:24:59 GMT -5
The corresponding is Craw goes on IL and done as a Giant. DeJong released. Not hard to see why people are livid. Crawford can be back for the final game of the season
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 23, 2023 20:07:47 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed what TF has done since his call up? I know it's very small sample size..Just saying..Had I been the GM, we would be leading the WC
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 23, 2023 22:41:32 GMT -5
I totally agree! Anybody but this putz has us in the Wild Card race
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 23, 2023 22:48:35 GMT -5
Wasn't watching the game but with the score 5-0 and the game already out of hand I noticed GK ph Fitz with Yaz..I mean wtf??
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2023 9:25:31 GMT -5
This is what Kapler has done all four years with us.
And it IS, IMHO, why I question why ANY HITTER would want to play for the Giants!
Why come and be platooned?!?!??!
Even FZ said in the off season that this team NEEDS players out there who play every day.
A second reason he did it, IMHO, is that he didn't want to lose face with his team.
There was a chance, no matter how small, that a win could have kept us in the race... and thus he HAD to make a move to prove to his team that he hadn't given up.
I keep saying this: 4 years, 3 failures.
If this was a rebuilding team, that 'might' be okay.
But this is a veteran team...
That would get any other manager fired.
Why is he still here?
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2023 10:26:23 GMT -5
He just said "FU" to Fitzgerald and that he did not trust him.
I am now hearing Manaea, Alexander, Conforto are opting out. Maybe more than those.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2023 10:27:27 GMT -5
Wasn't watching the game but with the score 5-0 and the game already out of hand I noticed GK ph Fitz with Yaz..I mean wtf?? Kapler is delusional.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2023 12:22:47 GMT -5
He just said "FU" to Fitzgerald and that he did not trust him. I am now hearing Manaea, Alexander, Conforto are opting out. Maybe more than those. As much as I hated him pinch hitting for tyler, that is what he does for everybody! That said, in my opinion, that was not an F u to tyler. On the pregame show they were talking about which players might opt out, and Sean was at the top of the list because of who was agent is; that absolute a-hole Boras. Really, does anybody really care that Alexander opts out? He's not been very good all year long I'm kind of surprised that conforto would go, but at the same time not surprised. Firstly he did not have a very good season, and secondly I can see that he'd want to go for what I've been saying all along; he doesn't want to be platooned! Said it dozens of times why does anybody want to come here if they're not going to be a regular? That's on GK, and FZ is just too stupid to see it
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 24, 2023 13:51:31 GMT -5
He just said "FU" to Fitzgerald and that he did not trust him. I am now hearing Manaea, Alexander, Conforto are opting out. Maybe more than those. As much as I hated him pinch hitting for tyler, that is what he does for everybody! That said, in my opinion, that was not an F u to tyler. On the pregame show they were talking about which players might opt out, and Sean was at the top of the list because of who was agent is; that absolute a-hole Boras. Really, does anybody really care that Alexander opts out? He's not been very good all year long I'm kind of surprised that conforto would go, but at the same time not surprised. Firstly he did not have a very good season, and secondly I can see that he'd want to go for what I've been saying all along; he doesn't want to be platooned! Said it dozens of times why does anybody want to come here if they're not going to be a regular? That's on GK, and FZ is just too stupid to see it The season is lost and down 5-0 the game is lost..Every at bat for TF gives the team a better look to see what he can do..To PH there was totally asinine and shows how out of touch FZ and GK are.. They both disgust me..They both lost the team.They both destroyed any chance of signing a top tier FA and for that, they both deserve to be thrown out on their collective asses
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2023 15:13:22 GMT -5
Agreed 100%
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2023 15:19:26 GMT -5
As much as I hated him pinch hitting for tyler, that is what he does for everybody! That said, in my opinion, that was not an F u to tyler. On the pregame show they were talking about which players might opt out, and Sean was at the top of the list because of who was agent is; that absolute a-hole Boras. Really, does anybody really care that Alexander opts out? He's not been very good all year long I'm kind of surprised that conforto would go, but at the same time not surprised. Firstly he did not have a very good season, and secondly I can see that he'd want to go for what I've been saying all along; he doesn't want to be platooned! Said it dozens of times why does anybody want to come here if they're not going to be a regular? That's on GK, and FZ is just too stupid to see it The season is lost and down 5-0 the game is lost..Every at bat for TF gives the team a better look to see what he can do..To PH there was totally asinine and shows how out of touch FZ and GK are.. They both disgust me..They both lost the team.They both destroyed any chance of signing a top tier FA and for that, they both deserve to be thrown out on their collective asses With you holiday. I totally agree with you! All I'm saying is this is gk's normal way of doing things. I said, I think he felt he had to make the move or would lose face in the clubhouse. Not doing what he would normally do implies that he's given up on the season. That wouldn't sit well in the clubhouse at all, nor would it sit well with management I don't think. Me? I would say veterans, you had your chance and you blew it! Not just once, not just twice, but so many times I've lost count! For me, Tyler hits! But GK is, after all smarter than everyone. Sarcasm intended
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 24, 2023 15:20:13 GMT -5
100% agree, Mordy. The young kids should be getting as many at-bats and innings as possible. I felt this way all the way back to the trade deadline. We could've learned a lot during that period, but some fans still think we had a chance to sneak our way into the post-season...and we may have, but even then I knew we weren't getting past the Braves. I'm not sure why our executives and management are no more intuitive than an average casual fan.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 24, 2023 15:25:07 GMT -5
Boly- I said, I think he felt he had to make the move or would lose face in the clubhouse.
Not doing what he would normally do implies that he's given up on the season.
That wouldn't sit well in the clubhouse at all, nor would it sit well with management I don't think.
Boagie- He already lost the clubhouse long ago, saving face is admitting what everyone knows - the kids are better than the veterans, and they deserve to play.
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 24, 2023 16:23:38 GMT -5
100% agree, Mordy. The young kids should be getting as many at-bats and innings as possible. I felt this way all the way back to the trade deadline. We could've learned a lot during that period, but some fans still think we had a chance to sneak our way into the post-season...and we may have, but even then I knew we weren't getting past the Braves. I'm not sure why our executives and management are no more intuitive than an average casual fan. Excellent response, especially the last sentence, but like Boly says, they always thought they were smarter and better than the rest of us.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2023 18:02:43 GMT -5
The arrogance is off the charts. I wouldn't mind if they said they made mistakes, learned lessons, or said the buck stops here. We never hear any of that. No accountability, no remorse, threw all the players under the bus. Since no remorse, its pretty clear they should go. Putila is here so its not like they will be starting from scratch.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2023 20:45:03 GMT -5
Conforto might opt out because he is a Boras client and they think if Haniger got that kind of contract last year in a strong market, he could get similar in a weak market. Or even take a cut to get out of SF.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2023 21:30:08 GMT -5
Using Bailey as PH was galactically stupid. He’s exhausted and said so. The managing hits a new low. FYGK
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2023 22:26:31 GMT -5
Boly- I said, I think he felt he had to make the move or would lose face in the clubhouse. Not doing what he would normally do implies that he's given up on the season. That wouldn't sit well in the clubhouse at all, nor would it sit well with management I don't think. Boagie- He already lost the clubhouse long ago, saving face is admitting what everyone knows - the kids are better than the veterans, and they deserve to play. You and I in about 50,000 other fans know that, but I'm betting he does not. I'm betting he thinks he's got a firm hand on everything that's going on in a clubhouse. Talk about delusional!
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2023 22:29:06 GMT -5
You are totally sending my song!
Besides the fact that he's exhausted, he doesn't run well, and is a massive double play possibility, which is exactly what happened.
More importantly, GK is over managing, over managing so badly that it's off the charts.
But that is so typical of him. He thinks all of his moves are brilliant, when they are anything but
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Post by reedonly on Sept 25, 2023 0:05:53 GMT -5
Flemming says Buster could exert some influence soon. Kapler is managing so badly that it seems like it could trigger crisis mode. Link to Buster article. Buster Article
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 25, 2023 8:35:00 GMT -5
Great article! Thank you for posting it! Now we can only hope that buster and his voice become much louder the soft season.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 25, 2023 10:00:54 GMT -5
I think it's more likely Posey is waiting in the wings to become the manager.
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