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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 18, 2023 12:45:52 GMT -5
When someone drops a huge Christmas basket in your lap, you don't shake you head in disgust and throw it on the floor.
THAT is what I contend we did with this series vs the Rockies.
NOW the schedule is a bloody bugger!
We screwed the pooch, and whatever slim chance we had, we just hucked out the window.
And STILL they gave a vote of confidence to Kapler and Farhan.
I just don't get it.
I just don't.
As I said in another thread, when your hitting philosophy has FAILED in 3 of 4 season, CHANGE YOUR HITTING PHILOSOPHY!
sheesh!
It ain't that hard to see, management! It ain't!
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Post by reedonly on Sept 18, 2023 15:45:43 GMT -5
I don’t have trouble with them losing three out of four in Denver. I don’t want them to think GK is doing a good job.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 18, 2023 19:09:03 GMT -5
I’m kind of rooting for the Diamondbacks to sweep to put us out of misery. They would have to pass three teams with ten to play. They really don’t deserve to get in.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 18, 2023 19:16:45 GMT -5
You make a good point with both posts, but I have trouble rooting for them to lose. Can't do that.
It's really kind of moot anyway, because ownership is already said both of those clods are coming back next season. And I don't think anything they do in these last 10 or 12 games is going to change that opinion. I mean if they thinking good things about him since I would too month of skin has been going on I don't know what would change their mind, because they aren't paying attention
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Post by reedonly on Sept 19, 2023 7:43:20 GMT -5
If the stuff is unwatchable, fandom is a two way street. The current team is uncompelling and unwatchable.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 19, 2023 13:17:58 GMT -5
You make a good point with both posts, but I have trouble rooting for them to lose. Can't do that. It's really kind of moot anyway, because ownership is already said both of those clods are coming back next season. And I don't think anything they do in these last 10 or 12 games is going to change that opinion. I mean if they thinking good things about him since I would too month of skin has been going on I don't know what would change their mind, because they aren't paying attention Fans are voting with the pocketbook. They’re making it easy to root to lose. They should not take any credit for producing a team that sneaks into the playoffs like this. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 19, 2023 13:37:51 GMT -5
Reed, I totally agree.
But I think we've seen from ownership that they don't care.
They're sticking with Heckle and Jekyll (FZ and GK) and they don't care a hoot what the fans think.
But in the end, I hope you're right; I HOPE attendance falls like water from a high cliff
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Post by reedonly on Sept 19, 2023 13:52:22 GMT -5
The only reason they are in it at all is because the other teams are deeply flawed. It is not championship caliber by any stretch. Fans know better and rather see the kids. It’s 13% chance and need to hope three teams melt down. 13% is 1 in 8 so they really need to cut the crap.
TBD and TBD vs Kelly and Gallen. Oh my. Are we sure Harrison couldn’t be better than TBD?
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 19, 2023 20:04:13 GMT -5
Considering the rate of which Harrison was giving up home runs, I think I'd rather go with TBD
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Post by reedonly on Sept 20, 2023 6:40:49 GMT -5
TBD with a bad hip was better than Harrison? Okay.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 20, 2023 8:25:58 GMT -5
In retrospect, no. Obviously. But at the time that's the decision I would have made. And obviously it would have turned out to be a bad decision. In my opinion we are now out of the race. Now I would be okay with bringing Harrison back up to learn, and not having to win to keep us in the race that's over
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Post by reedonly on Sept 20, 2023 9:24:30 GMT -5
If they have to run an injured Cobb out there, the team is poorly run
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Post by reedonly on Sept 20, 2023 9:47:44 GMT -5
Playoff odds are 5% now having to pass three teams 3GB and losing tiebreakers, and seven more Dodger games. They are done.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 20, 2023 11:00:49 GMT -5
To quote some famous songs:
1-Roy Orbison: It's Over
2-Jim Morrison: This is the end...
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 20, 2023 11:08:28 GMT -5
The end of the season for me was a few weeks ago when Doval started blowing saves, it's obvious he's been overused. There's no chance of playing well down the stretch and into the post-season with a gassed bullpen.
Regardless, I think we're a better team with our young players on the roster. We're better now, and it's obviously better for the future to have the kids playing.
I've said it multiple times this year, we call up young guys and we start winning, then some veteran comes off the IR, we send down the kids and we start playing bad again. How many times does this have to happen before people start getting it?
Now here we are in late September, we still don't know if Winn and Beck can be legitimate starters. We still don't know if Bart and Ramos belong at the major league level. This year was supposed to be Bart and Ramos' sink or swim year, and they barely got wet.
Matos only got playing time because of a rotating outfield IR list, and to me he's proven himself. But even he got jerked around this season despite playing well.
Overall, this season has been a very poorly managed season, from the top to bottom. I hope for a better season next year, but we still have the same unanswered questions we did at the beginning of this season.
Meanwhile, Bruce Bochy, that horrible "old head" manager that many here wanted gone is currently in a playoff spot in his first year managing a team that had 7 losing seasons in a row prior to this season.
I have to ask, did we learn nothing by watching Sabean and Bochy? What are the owners thinking? Where was the bay area media during those years? Where were the fans?
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 20, 2023 18:03:51 GMT -5
Millennials don't learn from the past. They don't learn from old timers. And why should they? They're obviously smarter than everyone else! At least that's what they think!
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Post by reedonly on Sept 20, 2023 19:12:44 GMT -5
In retrospect, no. Obviously. But at the time that's the decision I would have made. And obviously it would have turned out to be a bad decision. In my opinion we are now out of the race. Now I would be okay with bringing Harrison back up to learn, and not having to win to keep us in the race that's over Its not a retrospective decision. Cobb was playing injured after that near no hitter with a hip problem. He probably should have been shut down last week. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 20, 2023 19:40:55 GMT -5
If he was in that bad of shape, I wasn't aware of it. All I had heard was that they were moving him back a couple of days and that he was going to be fine, or that they hoped he was going to be fine.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2023 13:17:55 GMT -5
If he was in that bad of shape, I wasn't aware of it. All I had heard was that they were moving him back a couple of days and that he was going to be fine, or that they hoped he was going to be fine. Apparently, Cobb has been dealing with this hip injury since June and it got worse Tuesday night. He definitely has been struggling since the no hit bid, 7 days rest did not seem to help. I get that they probably wanted him to keep going out there because a playoff team needs a minimum of two starters and he was doing well in bullpen warming up. |
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2023 13:27:30 GMT -5
boly: but I have trouble rooting for them to lose. Can't do that.
If I had to do that, it would be rooting for laundry and a ball park. I've mentioned before that I do not like the owners, management, and half the players. Doesn't leave too much left to like and Mike Murphy has retired. Draft standing is now 14th and with the difficult upcoming schedule and poor play, "rising" to 10th is realistic, especially because of upcoming games against the Padres. Might do them better for the long term to tank and draft higher.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 21, 2023 14:10:41 GMT -5
Even if we draft studs, they'll just rot away in our farm system because Farhan's "hidden gems" will always take precedence.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 21, 2023 15:20:22 GMT -5
boly: but I have trouble rooting for them to lose. Can't do that. If I had to do that, it would be rooting for laundry and a ball park. I've mentioned before that I do not like the owners, management, and half the players. Doesn't leave too much left to like and Mike Murphy has retired. Draft standing is now 14th and with the difficult upcoming schedule and poor play, "rising" to 10th is realistic, especially because of upcoming games against the Padres. Might do them better for the long term to tank and draft higher.
Also, why?
For example, I've had enough of JD for all of the reasons I've stated.
I've had enough of Joc. 50 RBIs? Seriously? And only 14 HRs. and hitting .240ish?
I used to be a big fan of Slater, but once I heard how woke he is...that has tarnished my opinion of him BIG TIME! |
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2023 17:22:00 GMT -5
Boly: Reed, I know I'm being nosy, but can you spell out the players you DON'T like for me?
Wood, Manaea, Stripling, JD, Joc, Slater, deSclafani, Conforto, Haniger, Alexander, deJong, Junis, also add in all the churn guys. That's pretty much half so its not like an embellishment. This shows that the 2023 free agent class grades out as an F because six of those guys are on it.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 21, 2023 19:33:49 GMT -5
When you look at all the players that FZ brought in, it is a massive failure, because very few of them performed at anywhere near expected levels.
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