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Jun 6, 2023 11:30:03 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 6, 2023 11:30:03 GMT -5
Like most giant fans, I have really, REALLY enjoyed all the kids that are getting a chance to play, and I am hoping that within the next month or so we get to see some of our young hurlers come up.
But I think all giant fans need to realize that we are not going to win, or likely qualify for the playoffs, with four of our nine position players being rookies.
Not that I would change a thing, because this influx of youngsters is long overdue.
I still want to see them play, but reality is reality. Casey Schmidt, Patrick bailey, and the rest of them have too many holes in their game, and are simply not enough for us to compete for the top spot, or maybe even a playoff spot.
And that's okay with me.
I want to see them play.
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Jun 6, 2023 16:11:22 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jun 6, 2023 16:11:22 GMT -5
As Will Clark said the other day, they should promote the young talent.
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Jun 6, 2023 18:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 6, 2023 18:00:37 GMT -5
Absolutely. And I think all of us on this board would agree with that. Cut loose the old dead weight and let the kids play
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Jun 6, 2023 19:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 6, 2023 19:13:39 GMT -5
I don't think we can do that, but I'd definitely make sure everyone knows nobody's job is safe.
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Jun 6, 2023 19:32:19 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 6, 2023 19:32:19 GMT -5
Not all the dead weight, of course. But come the end of June I think that's the make or break. When decisions have to be made.
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Jun 7, 2023 9:44:17 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 7, 2023 9:44:17 GMT -5
After last night I'd definitely like to see some better defense in the outfield. We won, and scored 10 runs, but we gave runs back with downright laughable defense in the outfield. I like Conforto's bat, but his defense in right field is hard to watch.
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Jun 7, 2023 9:54:07 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jun 7, 2023 9:54:07 GMT -5
I don't think we can do that, but I'd definitely make sure everyone knows nobody's job is safe. I'm not sure they're going to do that, either. Especially as some of the the dead weight have that second year player option. Furthermore, the floor of the team is a lot higher than it was last year when they had guys like Padlo, Papierski, and all those rejects from other teams. Even though they might want to trade for starting pitching, the ones they have in the system are the kinds of guys they should be going after, not trading away. One area they have a lot of depth is shortstop where they have Fitzgerald, Luciano, and Arteaga. Luciano has a high ceiling but has been making a lot of youth mistakes. Even though they are deep there, they should not make a trade for the sake of making a trade unless they were blown away. Corbin Burnes is said to be available because of bad contract negotiations for his extension. The Cubs might not want to hang on to Strohman if they continue to play poorly. Also, David Bednar might be available if Pittsburgh falls back to earth.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:20:39 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 8, 2023 10:20:39 GMT -5
Like all of us, I don't want to see them got a very good farm system for some outside shot at the playoffs this year. I think we're all saying the same thing; let the kids play.
Look at what Arizona did last year; they sort of took it up to shorts to give their kids the experience, and now they're considered a pretty good team and getting better.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 8, 2023 10:40:00 GMT -5
Totally agree. If we want to be competitive next year and maybe fill a few holes with free agents we need to know what we have in our system first.
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Jun 8, 2023 10:54:37 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jun 8, 2023 10:54:37 GMT -5
The youngsters can make up a core of a good team if they are allowed to. I think Matos is almost ready and most of the needed upgrades can be found within the system, not with some stupid trade. I still have faith in Villar if he can get reset in PCL.
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Jun 9, 2023 9:32:05 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jun 9, 2023 9:32:05 GMT -5
FZ says Matos is playing so well that they will be forced to make a move soon.
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Jun 9, 2023 9:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 9, 2023 9:53:49 GMT -5
And play him in the Outfield in the place of whom?
For me, the bigger question is what is wrong with Mitch Haniger?
He has such a nice quick bat, but he's hitting in the low 220s!
Again, I'm not home so I'm not being able to see the games. Is he just hitting into bad luck? Is he hitting the ball hard? Or is he just flailing away at the plate?
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Jun 9, 2023 16:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 9, 2023 16:06:08 GMT -5
Conforto and Haniger can rotate on the bench or DH, we don't necessarily need either one in the lineup everyday.
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Jun 9, 2023 16:26:53 GMT -5
Post by reedonly on Jun 9, 2023 16:26:53 GMT -5
On Locked on Giants, they think Haniger is in a slump and trying to justify the big contract. He was hitting well prior to the Baltimore series and seems to be having trouble with breaking pitches.
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Jun 9, 2023 21:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 9, 2023 21:35:17 GMT -5
Haniger is a good hitter. I've seen him a lot being here in Seattle, so I'm not too worried about him breaking out of his funk.
While Haniger and Conforto have had good games here and there, I don't believe them being in the game really impacts our chances of winning.
Since the implementation of the 3 batter rule for relief pitchers, I see a lot of games being won by the big inning. Those innings are often allowed to continue by a miscue in the outfield or simply a ball that could have been caught, but wasn't. By my count, Haniger and especially Conforto are the main culprits on the Giants, with honorable mention for Yaz when he's in CF. But it's not Yaz's fault, he isn't a centerfielder, he's a rightfielder, and a damn good one.
Matos is a plus defender in CF, when he gets called up he should be the starting CF, everyone else needs to make room for him.
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Jun 10, 2023 9:17:48 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 10, 2023 9:17:48 GMT -5
Let's hope you're right, boagie.
The question about Matos to me, seems to be will he hit?
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Jun 10, 2023 9:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 10, 2023 9:41:57 GMT -5
But the problem with your plan is that gives us four outfielders, three of which you need to be in the lineup( Yaz, Comforto, and Haniger, and only three positions
And really 5 with Slater
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Jun 11, 2023 8:07:28 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Jun 11, 2023 8:07:28 GMT -5
I would field Yaz slater and Matos but realistically the higher paid guys will be playing
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Jun 11, 2023 9:19:12 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 11, 2023 9:19:12 GMT -5
Yeah, they'll play, but it would be nice if they put a little more importance on defense. For instance, against a righty they could generally go with Pederson in LF, Matos in CF, Yaz in RF, and DH Conforto. Or against a Lefty they could have Haniger in LF, Matos in CF, Slater in RF and DH Conforto or Pederson. Obviously they wouldn't just have these two lineups, but I guess the point is if the called up Matos he could still get plenty of playing time even if he's coming into the game as a defensive replacement when he doesn't start.
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Jun 11, 2023 15:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 11, 2023 15:39:01 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying, but I don't ever want to see Jok Pederson playing in the outfield for us. What he once was when he played center field is not what he is now playing left field. He's Pat Burrell out there!
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Jun 11, 2023 18:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 11, 2023 18:35:23 GMT -5
Burrell and Pederson in LF is much better than having Conforto in RF.
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Jun 12, 2023 7:57:55 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Jun 12, 2023 7:57:55 GMT -5
Home games at Oracle have expansive right field, too much acreage for Conforto to handle
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Jun 12, 2023 9:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 12, 2023 9:26:07 GMT -5
It's not as bad as it used to be before they brought in triples alley, but it still takes a guy who can cover a decent amount of ground. My issue with Conforto isn't just his range. He seems to have trouble getting good reads and playing the caroms off the wall too. Decent range, reads on caroms, and reads in general are essential to being a good RF at Oracle, what bothers me is Conforto has none of those.
Pence and Schierholtz didn't have great range, but they got good reads and played the caroms exceedingly well, as does Yaz. (Schierholtz being the best of the three)
Now, I hate to beat up Conforto about his defense, because he keeps hitting, but I think that makes him better suited for DH. And I'd much rather have the weak link in left field with Pederson.
Boly often mentions Burrell as the example of bad defense in the outfield, but he was a hell of a lot better than Conforto. Burrell read the ball off the bat well, and played caroms well, he just had the old veteran legs which didn't allow him to cover much ground. But his skills beyond his legs allowed him to make all the routine plays and kept the opposing team from running all day on balls off the wall. He was like an older Bonds in that sense, they both had the skills, they just had the old legs that couldn't get out of 1st gear.
I'd think a better example of a bad Giants outfielders might be Glenallen Hill, Marvin Benard or Darryl Strawberry..and now Conforto.
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Jun 12, 2023 10:38:07 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jun 12, 2023 10:38:07 GMT -5
Sorry, boagie, but I disagree with you on two of your points:
I don't view Burrell as you do. I consistently felt he got bad reads and even worse jumps with his routes to the ball.
Add to that the fact that he couldn't cover much ground.
And Pederson, IMHO, is just above "lame" in his range in LF.
I'd RATHER have Haniger in Rf, though, over Conforto, and I do agree that Conforto is NOT the guy to be playing out there.
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Jun 14, 2023 9:53:01 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Jun 14, 2023 9:53:01 GMT -5
The Haniger injury seems to have opened up a spot for Matos
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Jun 14, 2023 15:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 14, 2023 15:45:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that kind of broke my heart. I'm a big Mitch haniger fan. But this does open the door for Luis matos. And I love the fact that all the kids are getting a chance to play, and we're winning besides.
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Jun 15, 2023 8:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 15, 2023 8:21:31 GMT -5
I was optimistic when the Giants signed Haniger, I knew he could hit, but I also knew he was injury prone. Unfortunately he's only lived up to one so far and it's not the hitting. Haniger was only hitting .230 with 4 homeruns and an OPS under .700, so far the signing has been a disappointment. I don't wish anyone to get hurt, but If someone was going to go down with an injury to make room for Matos, my first choice would have been Haniger.
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Jun 15, 2023 9:05:29 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Jun 15, 2023 9:05:29 GMT -5
It looks like it’s a season ending injury. He’s injury prone but not all of his injuries are his fault.
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Jun 15, 2023 9:43:53 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Jun 15, 2023 9:43:53 GMT -5
There are very few RHB's that I've seen in my lifetime that have as picturesque swing and Mitchy...
I was really looking for around 30+ HRs from him, and above average defense.
Not gonna happen now, but this certainly opens the door for another kid.
But I need to stress AGAIN, that a team cannot win if they are fielding 4 kids in the starting line up.
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Jun 15, 2023 22:04:40 GMT -5
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Post by reedonly on Jun 15, 2023 22:04:40 GMT -5
Haniger just got Wally Pipped
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