A Huge Huge Loss

[reedonly]

“The San Francisco Giants would like to extend its deepest gratitude to Brian Sabean for his enormous contributions to our organization and wish him the best of luck in his new position with the New York Yankees.” The statement goes on to list the club’s aforementioned accomplishments during his tenure, before finishing thusly: “We truly believe he’s a Hall of Fame worthy executive in every sense of the word and wish him, his wife Amanda, and his entire family nothing but the best in the future. He will always be a Forever Giant.”

[Islandboagie]

Sabean couldn't sit back and watch the debacle that Farhan and Co. has made of the once successful franchise that Sabean created. I don't blame him one bit.

[reedonly]

Another thing was that Baer and Johnson sat Brian down after the season and Sabean said that he wasn't doing much and was not having much input. As such, they made the mutual decision but they lose one of the greatest baseball minds around.

[Islandboagie]

Oh I'm sure Baer had a hand in this, he's been trying to ruin the franchise since 2011.

[klaiggeb]

Jan 4, 2023 15:26:29 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

Sabean couldn't sit back and watch the debacle that Farhan and Co. has made of the once successful franchise that Sabean created. I don't blame him one bit.

I was thinking the same exact thing, wondering if he was so upset with that FZ and his staff that he simply couldn't put up with his nonsense anymore and decided to leave.

[reedonly]

We will likely never know. It could have been that FZ blew him off if he said anything or did not show him proper respect.  It may have been something as simple as his contract was up in October and he chose not to renew it.  Sabean mentioned that his wife had a big part in the decision.  

[reedonly]

I'm getting close to retirement myself and I can kind of see where Sabean is at. The new bosses have their own ways of doing things and are forever tweaking things using their own devices. They seldom consult the older workers. It gets frustrating because the work becomes harder and more and more to do and not only do you have to do your own job but you are fighting against a new system. I think my job has become about six times harder than it used to be when I first started and when I first started, we did not have computers so for me, it does not make sense to continue much longer watching younger supervisors attempt to re-invent the wheel all the time. After thirty plus years, people would think that I have figured a few things out but I am pretty much ignored as a resource.  Sometimes, one reaches a point where it does not make sense to continue.   For Brian, its probably a number of things and not just FZ.  He probably felt he was being under-utilized, had family ties back east, and tired of the FZ sh*t show.  

[klaiggeb]

Definitely preaching to the choir here and I agree with you 100%; the new regimes come in and think they're smarter than everybody that came before them.

I taught high school for almost 40 years, and I couldn't believe the morons that were coming in it at the principal level who hadn't been in the classroom and so long, we're bad teachers to begin with, and now they are in charge of making policy.

The fact that most of the new people coming in are millennials makes it even more scary, because millennials are arrogant among other things. Not all of them, for sure, but certainly far too many of them.

[reedonly]

KNBR has a Sabean interview conducted by FP Santangelo (located under KNBR tonight). Sabes' interview was hard to listen to because his voice kept trailing off. Hope he's okay.  He did not say anything of note (probably did not want to disparage FZ) but I kept having to strain to hear what he said.  

[Islandboagie]

I would have liked to hear that. As far as it being a huge huge loss, I don't believe it is. He took a step away and hasn't been much a part of the decision making process, which is why things have slowly fallen apart. I hope he's appreciated by the owners and fans more in NY than he was in SF.

[reedonly]

I think when a team loses one of the best baseball minds of the last 30 years, it’s a loss. The know it alls in the front office are too caught up in their process to appreciate it.  Its not a loss for Farhan because he did not utilize Sabean but it is a loss for the fans. 

[klaiggeb]

Jan 5, 2023 20:31:25 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

I would have liked to hear that. As far as it being a huge huge loss, I don't believe it is. He took a step away and hasn't been much a part of the decision making process, which is why things have slowly fallen apart. I hope he's appreciated by the owners and fans more in NY than he was in SF.

I agree with you, boagie, I don't see it as a huge loss, either, because he really wasn't doing much for the club.

I got the impression he was just sort of a figure head position guy.

The loss, as I see it, is more an emotional/intellectual one.

IMHO, I believe it signals that stuff is going on in our front office that we are not going to like, that they have gone woke, big time, and one in which he didn't wish to be a part.

It's also my opinion that with current management, we are as screwed as the Rams were when Georgia Frontiera was driving the bus.

And isn't THAT a pleasant thought!

[reedonly]

Krukow and Murphy were discussing Sabean's East coast outlook and then brought up an anecdote concerning Al Davis. A reporter asked Davis "How do you deal with all those West Coast types?" and Davis replied "You dominate them".

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Jan 5, 2023 20:31:25 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

I would have liked to hear that. As far as it being a huge huge loss, I don't believe it is. He took a step away and hasn't been much a part of the decision making process, which is why things have slowly fallen apart. I hope he's appreciated by the owners and fans more in NY than he was in SF.

Believe it or not, Yankee fans are *not* excited pretty much because they do not know who Sabean is but Sabean helped them get Jeter, Posada, and Rivera way back when. 

[holiday613]

Good Riddance to MR Kick the Tire Man..Sabean handcuffed the Giants with horrible long term contractsm.Did everyone forget Aaron Rowand? Zito? Cueto? The Team won those championships because of smart draft picking ( ty Barr and co.) and not because of Sabeans genius.

Sometimes you guys really crack me up..

[Islandboagie]

Aaron Rowand and Barry Zito were part of those Championship teams. Yes they weren't a huge part of them, but Zito's game 5 in the 2012 NLCS was his great equalizer, after that game the contract was forgiven. Regardless, Peter McGowan is said to have orchestrated that signing, not Sabean.

Rowand wasn't a good signing, but I think him and Zito along with Molina as veterans did a lot to lead the clubhouse on a path to winning Championships. Yes, Torres took over Rowand's job which made us a better team, but you can't dispute Rowand's clubhouse contribution.

Cueto was Bobby Evans' guy.

I know you don't like Sabean, Mordy, you've voiced that many times, but his record speaks for itself.

As the scouting director of the Yankees he was the brains behind drafting Jeter, Pettite, and Posada.

And as the Giants GM he drafted Lincecum, Bumgarner, Cain, Posey, Sandoval, Crawford and Belt.

Since the 70's there have been only 2 dynasties in MLB, the 1996-2001 Yankees and the 2010-2014 Giants, Sabean had a big part in assembling both of them. Why do you choose to ignore that, but you dwell on Pierzynski trades, and Rowand contracts?

I'm just as critical as anyone for the mistakes Sabean made, but I still have to admit how good he was overall. For every bad move Sabean made, I could probably point out ten good moves. I don't think I could do that with any other Giants GM in history.

[klaiggeb]

Pretty good analysis, boagie! And I have to agree.

Thing is what I said before: I think Brian's leaving is more an indicator of the crap going on in the front office than anything else.

I am not of a mind, nor do I have enough years left, to put up with 5+ years of watching a horse-crap team because the front office runs things into the ground.