Joc

[klaiggeb]

I saw that BFF has already tried to sign it's time Joc for next season.

Personally, I hope they do not.

Yes he has some power, but he's very, very streaky.

For my money, he simply too much of a defensive liability, and will ask for too much money. I would rather go with kids, or go with someone else.

We simply have too many players who are below average defensively, and I don't want to see another one, especially in the Outfield

[reedonly]

Joc wants to go to a team with a decent chance at the playoffs. If Farhan does not improve the team enough, he will choose to go elsewhere.

[klaiggeb]

By the time BFF does anything it will be too late to sign Joc even if he wanted to stay.

And by that I mean BFF can't and/or won't act quickly enough.

BFF is a ploder. He does nothing quickly.

[reedonly]

I think Joc ends up in Atlanta or something. Farhan screws around too much and doesn't feel decisive enough. Joc acts like a young kid but he's going to be 31 next year so I expect his 2023 to be a lot like 2022, except not as good.

[klaiggeb]

I don't know about Atlanta come up when you're talking about Pederson, those are my thoughts exactly!

Each year getting progressively worse, and I would not want to offer him a multi-year contract. I say again, his defense is below average, and in our big ballpark that's not a good thing.

[reedonly]

I think there was a Joc trade back to Atlanta in the works but Farhan didn't go through with it. It would have made sense because Atlanta has enough speed in the outfield to make up for Pederson and it would have gotten him back to a playoff team.

[klaiggeb]

If BFF hosed him like that, there's no way in the world he would want to come back to the Giants.

Then again, for the second time during his rain, BFF has not only hosed players, but is hosed the Giants by not making deals that could have helped the club in the future.

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Sept 30, 2022 17:14:54 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

If BFF hosed him like that, there's no way in the world he would want to come back to the Giants.

Then again, for the second time during his rain, BFF has not only hosed players, but is hosed the Giants by not making deals that could have helped the club in the future.

Nowadays, a player would more appreciate getting traded or waived in order to get a chance to play for a playoff team.  

[klaiggeb]

Agree. So Joc can moon BFF on the way out the door, and it would be appropriate for giving him an enema!

[reedonly]

Joc would be interested in the Giants with the main proviso being that Farhan improves the team. As you mention, Farhan is a plodder and I think Pederson will land a deal elsewhere before Farhan gets his act together. Atlanta already has talent in place so I think that's where he winds up.

[klaiggeb]

It's not that hes a bad player, read. Just honestly I don't want him back.

He is a defensive liability, as I said multiple times. Not as bad as Pat Burrell, or Ruf but a liability nonetheless.

I'm also not crazy about his antics! But then again when it comes to sports these days I'm on the planet pluto, because my idea of being a star athlete is being humble, doing your job, and not doing anything to call attention to yourself.

That would explain why my heroes were people like Roberto Clemente al kaline,
Warren spahn, Bob gibson, and so many others who did their jobs, didn't point fingers at themselves, and we're just solid players and people.

Not saying Joc isn't a good guy, just saying I don't like the loud shoes and the other crap that he does. Like I said I'm showing my age

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Oct 3, 2022 16:20:23 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

It's not that hes a bad player, read. Just honestly I don't want him back.

He is a defensive liability, as I said multiple times. Not as bad as Pat Burrell, or Ruf but a liability nonetheless.

I'm also not crazy about his antics! But then again when it comes to sports these days I'm on the planet pluto, because my idea of being a star athlete is being humble, doing your job, and not doing anything to call attention to yourself.

That would explain why my heroes were people like Roberto Clemente al kaline,
Warren spahn, Bob gibson, and so many others who did their jobs, didn't point fingers at themselves, and we're just solid players and people.

Not saying Joc isn't a good guy, just saying I don't like the loud shoes and the other crap that he does. Like I said I'm showing my age

He is friends with Farhan going back to his Dodger days.  He acts like a big kid when he is at the age where he should assume a little more leadership. 

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Oct 3, 2022 16:20:23 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

It's not that hes a bad player, read. Just honestly I don't want him back.

He is a defensive liability, as I said multiple times. Not as bad as Pat Burrell, or Ruf but a liability nonetheless.

I'm also not crazy about his antics! But then again when it comes to sports these days I'm on the planet pluto, because my idea of being a star athlete is being humble, doing your job, and not doing anything to call attention to yourself.

That would explain why my heroes were people like Roberto Clemente al kaline,
Warren spahn, Bob gibson, and so many others who did their jobs, didn't point fingers at themselves, and we're just solid players and people.

Not saying Joc isn't a good guy, just saying I don't like the loud shoes and the other crap that he does. Like I said I'm showing my age

Actually, having a personality is needed.  JOc is flamboyant but so were guys like Sandoval, Romo, Wilson, Uribe, and Pence.  That's a lot of championship blood right there and they wore a lot of loud clothing.  Great Giants. 

[Islandboagie]

Boly doesn't like half of those guys either. I get it, I'm a pretty straight laced guy myself, but I've learned to overlook a lot of that nonsense if they perform well.

[klaiggeb]

Boagie, that is simply not true. Of all the guys on the list, the only one I don't like cuz he's an a-hole is Brian Wilson.

Pence, though he was was Charlie hustle, was not allowed mouth nor some guy always trying to call attention to himself.

And neither was Juan Uribe.

I liked all of the other guys, even though at times they frustrated me and made me angry.

I guess my expectations for players are different than what most people's are. I expect a legitimate effort every single time out, and if you're struggling, I expect you to make adjustments.

[klaiggeb]

I expect players to be humble, do their job and don't purposely do things to call attention to yourself.

As for Pablo Sandoval coma the year he was brought up and they 1st started trying him but 3rd base, I was one of the 1st ones on the board, after watching his footwork, so this kid can play 3rd base.

So honestly, boagie what you said is kind of insulting.

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Oct 5, 2022 18:52:31 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

Boly doesn't like half of those guys either. I get it, I'm a pretty straight laced guy myself, but I've learned to overlook a lot of that nonsense if they perform well.

A big part about the swag helps with team chemistry and keeping things loose.  Sandoval and Uribe were good with the music, energy, and laughter they brought.  A few years ago, the whole team dressed like Sandoval.  Joc is a little different because while he wears the flamboyant clothing, he doesn't seem engaged much with the team.  I'm not in the clubhouse and cannot say for sure but flamboyance should function for team bonding. 

[klaiggeb]

If hotter pence means flamboyant, I'm in period

If lamborghini is defined by being outrageous in the way you dress and other stupid things I'm not.

I don't fit anymore in this baseball world, because my ideals, my concept of the way things should be do not Fit in this modern world

[reedonly]

I get annoyed when I see NBA players coming into the arena in bizarre outfits and they treat it like Hollywood red carpet. This stuff even extends to golf (have you ever seen some of the junk Bill Murray is trying to sell?) so I have no problem with what Joc does as long as he come to play. Fashion statements are nothing new. Guys like Babe Ruth did it, Joe D married Marilyn, and even Orlando Cepeda way back when.

[klaiggeb]

Like I said, I don't fit him

[klaiggeb]

Fit IN not fit him

[reedonly]

Boly: the only one I don't like cuz he's an a-hole is Brian Wilson.

The spandex tux was really a poor look but he looks more normal now.

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Oct 6, 2022 8:49:28 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

Fit IN not fit him

Time for us to watch those Stan Musial harmonica videos. 

[klaiggeb]

Yep! Or some old Hopalong Cassidy or Roy Rogers re runs!

[Islandboagie]

Boly- I expect players to be humble, do their job and don't purposely do things to call attention to yourself.

As for Pablo Sandoval coma the year he was brought up and they 1st started trying him but 3rd base, I was one of the 1st ones on the board, after watching his footwork, so this kid can play 3rd base.

So honestly, boagie what you said is kind of insulting.


Boagie- Didn't mean to insult you, Boly. I was merely pointing out that you sometimes tend to be harder on players because of how they look or act, despite their performances on the field.

I'm a lot like you in the way we think about how a player should carry themselves. Buster Posey and Matt Cain would be the best examples of that mold, and because of that they’re probably two of my favorite Giants of all time.

As for the others, I guess I learned to accept those other types after the Championships started piling up.

I'm sorry if it bothers you that I point it out from time to time, but you have to admit you tend to fixate on that. And that's totally fine, that's what makes you, you. I mean you had already made up your mind about Cueto because of his dreadlocks. You don't like Crawford's greasy hair, nor did you like Lincecum's long hair or dirty fingernails. Pablo was a slob, Wilson and Romo's beards looked stupid. But I don't disagree with any of that, you're 100% correct.

[klaiggeb]

Oct 8, 2022 11:34:18 GMT -5 Islandboagie said:

Boly- I expect players to be humble, do their job and don't purposely do things to call attention to yourself.

As for Pablo Sandoval coma the year he was brought up and they 1st started trying him but 3rd base, I was one of the 1st ones on the board, after watching his footwork, so this kid can play 3rd base.

So honestly, boagie what you said is kind of insulting.


Boagie- Didn't mean to insult you, Boly. I was merely pointing out that you sometimes tend to be harder on players because of how they look or act, despite their performances on the field.

I'm a lot like you in the way we think about how a player should carry themselves. Buster Posey and Matt Cain would be the best examples of that mold, and because of that they’re probably two of my favorite Giants of all time.

As for the others, I guess I learned to accept those other types after the Championships started piling up.

I'm sorry if it bothers you that I point it out from time to time, but you have to admit you tend to fixate on that. And that's totally fine, that's what makes you, you. I mean you had already made up your mind about Cueto because of his dreadlocks. You don't like Crawford's greasy hair, nor did you like Lincecum's long hair or dirty fingernails. Pablo was a slob, Wilson and Romo's beards looked stupid. But I don't disagree with any of that, you're 100% correct.

You are correct, boagie, I AM very hard on players based upon the way they dress and act, and with good reason.

Teaching high school, and coaching high school football and baseball for over 35 years, I've seen 1st hand how kids emulate the worst aspects of their favorite players.

Rarely did I see them mimic the good.

Thus, when a player dresses and acts like Brian Wilson did, THEY think it's okay for THEM to do and act the same ways.

Kids have enough bad examples in the world, and they don't need their heroes adding to the problem.

Same goes to hygiene. You're in the public spotlight. Clean up!

You are so right though; I DO fixate on those things, and as I said above, based upon my reasoning, with good reason.


I don't think it was me complaining about Crawford's greasy hair. I've never thought of it as greasy.

Not sure I was upset with Cueto's dreadlocks all that much, either.

I have a MASSIVE Lincecum jersey, framed and soon to be hanging on my wall. I was a huge fan!

I didn't dislike Tim at all. I didn't like his appearance, but my biggest gripe had to do with his absolute refusal to change when he started to go down hill.

He was better than Kershaw but because of those mechanics, I contend, his career ended way to early.

I never complained about Bum's hair, nor that he dressed like a cowboy.

He WAS a cowboy, and there was nothing about him that said: "look at me! Look at me!" He was himself.

I come from a different time than most; a time when players did their jobs and, except for a few exceptions, Bo Belinsky, Leo Durocher and some others, shied away from calling attention to themselves.

Mays never did.

McCovey never did.

Aaron didn't, Gibson didn't, and neither did so many of the stars of the 50's and 60's.

That all changed in the 70's

You gave some great examples in Cain and Posey. Humble, determined, hard workers.

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Before the 70s, players probably couldn’t afford to dress up too much but more so after Reggie, Rickey, etc. The flamboyant guys like Bo Belinsky were rare in the 60s. You bring up a point about how kids like to emulate bad behavior. Kids who want to be actors, singers, or athletes would probably have better chances succeeding at more legitimate professions.

Locally, there was one teacher who did not want Steph Curry to visit his school because he felt students would get the wrong idea about athletics as a viable career. The teacher probably did not know that Curry actually went back to Davidson to get his degree but I understand what the teacher was concerned about.  The teacher did not want kids thinking about growing up to be athletes. 

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I only brought up Stan Musial because that harmonica thing was a side job to bring in extra money and back then it was about as wild and crazy as players got in the 1950s.  

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Oct 5, 2022 22:48:13 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

If hotter pence means flamboyant, I'm in period

If lamborghini is defined by being outrageous in the way you dress and other stupid things I'm not.

I don't fit anymore in this baseball world, because my ideals, my concept of the way things should be do not Fit in this modern world

I think the worst one was Trevor Bauer, who has a tendency to use social media as a weapon.  

[klaiggeb]

Stupid phone!

it wrote 'lamborghini' and I said, Hunter Pence!