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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2022 10:14:04 GMT -5
Since May 17th, this group has goon 26-35; A winning percentage of 42.6%
Since June 1st, they have gone 21-27: A winning percentage of 43.7%
Since June 15th, they have gone 15-22: a winning percentage of 40.5%
This is not a slump, some brief period of time when things can be corrected, fixed and the team moves forward winning.
This is a trend; a downward spiral which no trade or trades is going to fix.
I, as I am sure you are, sick and tired of hearing from Kontos and Krukow and Winn and just about everyone else in the Giant's media, that "this team has to start playing better baseball."
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They have spent the last 2 1/2 months playing embarrassingly poor baseball, and IMHO, there is no end in sight, save the end of the season.
It's time for Farhan and Kapler and everyone else in management to see what we see;
1-This is not a good team.
2-Not including injuries, key players on this team have underachieved; Ruf, the entire bullpen, Rodon (in July)
3-When players have been healthy, they have grossly under performed: Crawford, Longoria,Yaz and I don't care what he's done lately, Flores. Hitting .242 is NOT hitting well.
4-We expected to see improvement from players like Yaz... but instead, he's regressed.
5-This is not a play off team. No how, no way.
6-This team has become a comedy of errors. Everything that can go wrong has and is going wrong. They can't catch, don't get hits when it's needed and our big time starters other than Webb, have let us down when they were needed the most. The Dodger series is a case in point. We NEEDED Rodon and Wood and Cobb to be at the top of their game... but instead, they came out of the break as I feared they would; flat
7-As I have said, as Mordy has said, and Reed and boagie have said; we cannot and should not be buyers; we HAVE to be sellers.
Because expecting this group of under achievers to make it to the playoffs is like thinking super glue and some metal plates would have saved the Titanic.
We've said this a bunch about Kapler:
He's over managed.
He's KILLED the bullpen the way he always done.
He's played too conservatively for my tastes.
He's is saddled with a slow, station-to-station team that cannot, will not or won't perform as expected.
All that said, I'd show him the door in a heartbeat.
He's a pompous, self centered ass.
But Farhan refuses to see that. As I said before, can't and won't see that because to do so means he'd have to admit he was wrong; that Kapler is the same guy who destroyed the Phillies.
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 10:23:49 GMT -5
If they go 59-7 the rest of the way, they can match last season.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2022 10:36:21 GMT -5
If they go 59-7 the rest of the way, they can match last season. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 10:40:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I am hearing they are poking around on getting another catcher.
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Post by holiday613 on Jul 27, 2022 13:38:19 GMT -5
Boly summed it up nicely.. This is an aging , slow team that cant olay defence or hit a lick esp a fastball which is imperative if you want to succeed.. Time to sell off pieces and regroup for next year, preferably without Kapler.. The fat lady has sung
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 8:21:49 GMT -5
Since May 17th, this group has goon 26-35; A winning percentage of 42.6%
Since June 1st, they have gone 21-27: A winning percentage of 43.7%
Since June 15th, they have gone 15-22: a winning percentage of 40.5%
This is not a slump, some brief period of time when things can be corrected, fixed and the team moves forward winning.
This is a trend; a downward spiral which no trade or trades is going to fix.
I, as I am sure you are, sick and tired of hearing from Kontos and Krukow and Winn and just about everyone else in the Giant's media, that "this team has to start playing better baseball."
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They have spent the last 2 1/2 months playing embarrassingly poor baseball, and IMHO, there is no end in sight, save the end of the season.
It's time for Farhan and Kapler and everyone else in management to see what we see;
1-This is not a good team.
2-Not including injuries, key players on this team have underachieved; Ruf, the entire bullpen, Rodon (in July)
3-When players have been healthy, they have grossly under performed: Crawford, Longoria,Yaz and I don't care what he's done lately, Flores. Hitting .242 is NOT hitting well.
4-We expected to see improvement from players like Yaz... but instead, he's regressed.
5-This is not a play off team. No how, no way.
6-This team has become a comedy of errors. Everything that can go wrong has and is going wrong. They can't catch, don't get hits when it's needed and our big time starters other than Webb, have let us down when they were needed the most. The Dodger series is a case in point. We NEEDED Rodon and Wood and Cobb to be at the top of their game... but instead, they came out of the break as I feared they would; flat
7-As I have said, as Mordy has said, and Reed and boagie have said; we cannot and should not be buyers; we HAVE to be sellers.
Because expecting this group of under achievers to make it to the playoffs is like thinking super glue and some metal plates would have saved the Titanic.
We've said this a bunch about Kapler:
He's over managed.
He's KILLED the bullpen the way he always done.
He's played too conservatively for my tastes.
He's is saddled with a slow, station-to-station team that cannot, will not or won't perform as expected.
All that said, I'd show him the door in a heartbeat.
He's a pompous, self centered ass.
But Farhan refuses to see that. As I said before, can't and won't see that because to do so means he'd have to admit he was wrong; that Kapler is the same guy who destroyed the Phillies.
When a team gets swept by the Dodgers, you can say that they got swept by a good team. When a team gets swept by the Diamondbacks, it says that the Giants are bad. Actually, right now, it might be for the best if they lose so as not to be tempted to make any sort of stupid purchase trade. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 28, 2022 8:40:33 GMT -5
As hard as it has been to watch, I realized that is exactly what must happen to keep Farhan from buying players on a one year rental.
Problem is, that is exactly what I expect him do: buy.
I can't believe anyone on the planet thinks this team could Advance beyond the first round of the playoffs much less even get to the playoffs.
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 9:23:18 GMT -5
As hard as it has been to watch, I realized that is exactly what must happen to keep Farhan from buying players on a one year rental. Problem is, that is exactly what I expect him do: buy. I can't believe anyone on the planet thinks this team could Advance beyond the first round of the playoffs much less even get to the playoffs. There has always seemed to be a flaw with the front office where they always need to have butts in the seats. As such, they would always be afraid to do anything like a full teardown or a tank and draft approach. I think that kind of mandate has come from the top (Baer) because this affected the way Sabean, Evans, and now Farhan operated. However, for the long term health of the organization, they cannot sacrifice prosepcts for a rental and they have to trust in the devlopment process of their own players. The Bryant trade last year was probably necessary but it set the whole process back. A Contreras or Soto trade has the potential of being catastrophic unless the prospects are truly not good. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 28, 2022 10:01:35 GMT -5
As hard as it has been to watch, I realized that is exactly what must happen to keep Farhan from buying players on a one year rental. Problem is, that is exactly what I expect him do: buy. I can't believe anyone on the planet thinks this team could Advance beyond the first round of the playoffs much less even get to the playoffs. There has always seemed to be a flaw with the front office where they always need to have butts in the seats. As such, they would always be afraid to do anything like a full teardown or a tank and draft approach. I think that kind of mandate has come from the top (Baer) because this affected the way Sabean, Evans, and now Farhan operated. However, for the long term health of the organization, they cannot sacrifice prosepcts for a rental and they have to trust in the devlopment process of their own players. The Bryant trade last year was probably necessary but it set the whole process back. A Contreras or Soto trade has the potential of being catastrophic unless the prospects are truly not good. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 10:41:57 GMT -5
In the recent Giants drafts, the prospects have delivered about 20 WAR. Problem is, most of it came from Brian Reynolds. I don't like what I'm seeing in the minors right now almost all the way up and down (outside of Harrison) and I don't know whether it is overhype or poor development, or what. Looking at the minors, I don't see anyone as untouchable at this point but I would be supremely p*ssed if we dealt away someone who would become an all-star for another organization.
I'm looking at Matos who Rog thought would be the best Giants CF since Willie Mays and he is now at .181 in A+ ball. From what I've read about Matos, he was having trouble dealing with being in the cold weather and was having trouble with good off speed pitches. Maybe as the weather warms, his contact rate will get better but I want them to hang on to him if they can.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 28, 2022 11:30:36 GMT -5
In the recent Giants drafts, the prospects have delivered about 20 WAR. Problem is, most of it came from Brian Reynolds. I don't like what I'm seeing in the minors right now almost all the way up and down (outside of Harrison) and I don't know whether it is overhype or poor development, or what. Looking at the minors, I don't see anyone as untouchable at this point but I would be supremely p*ssed if we dealt away someone who would become an all-star for another organization. I'm looking at Matos who Rog thought would be the best Giants CF since Willie Mays and he is now at .181 in A+ ball. From what I've read about Matos, he was having trouble dealing with being in the cold weather and was having trouble with good off speed pitches. Maybe as the weather warms, his contact rate will get better but I want them to hang on to him if they can.
But Farhan's drafts have supposedly been top notch.
We have been consistently rated as one of the better/best farm systems, and if that's not true, IF we aren't as good down there as we thought, what does that say about our front office leadership?
Hey, I know, drafting is often a crap shoot.
But to miss THAT many times?
Again, I go back to a question I've posed frequently; is management putting TOO MUCH faith in sabermetrics and NOT listening to the scouts?
Right now, it sure looks that way. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 15:23:36 GMT -5
I have been wondering about this. I realize that in MLB players are less ready than in NBA or NFL and there is a longer "gestation" period in the minor leagues. More than half of the players drafted actually don't make the show. However, guys like Luciano and Matos were considered generational when they were first obtained and they've been struggling at low levels. I can see them shipping off minor leaguers if they don't feel that they will progress any further but I will be very ticked if they manage to become stars in other systems.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 28, 2022 17:15:55 GMT -5
Me, too, Reed, me too.
Again... if these guys don't make it with us... or anyone, what does that say about our scouting.
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Post by reedonly on Jul 29, 2022 10:09:13 GMT -5
Me, too, Reed, me too.
Again... if these guys don't make it with us... or anyone, what does that say about our scouting. I'm afraid that the way Walton was "scouted" was by way of an Excel spreadsheet on an iPad. The guy doesn't even have many videos up on the internet and certainly, no defensive gems. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 29, 2022 10:10:36 GMT -5
Me, too, Reed, me too.
Again... if these guys don't make it with us... or anyone, what does that say about our scouting. I don't think the scouting is flawed because all the other teams ask about Luciano and Matos, also. The talent is in there. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 29, 2022 12:06:32 GMT -5
Me, too, Reed, me too.
Again... if these guys don't make it with us... or anyone, what does that say about our scouting. I'm afraid that the way Walton was "scouted" was by way of an Excel spreadsheet on an iPad. The guy doesn't even have many videos up on the internet and certainly, no defensive gems.
If it was all done from an iPad, or sabermetrics...or a spread sheet...again, I question the procedure; the scouting, in this case, the technique |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 29, 2022 15:32:57 GMT -5
I've generally liked the Farhan churn but the Walton and Papierski moves were inexplicable and lacked diligence.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 29, 2022 19:43:40 GMT -5
Me, too, Reed. I was as perplexed as you were. To ME, they were moves of desperation
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