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Post by holiday613 on Jul 26, 2022 3:05:21 GMT -5
So with the trading deadline looming and with the Giants showing us that they arent even close to competing. it is time to visit iut trade options.. Lets face it.. We suck defensively, bullpen, hitting, managing, baserunning.. You know all facets of the game neccesary to succeed
Rodon must go.. He would demand a kings ransom and the Giants can strengthen an already strong farm system. Truth is ither than Webb, i dont see an untouchable.. What say you??
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Post by reedonly on Jul 26, 2022 8:27:55 GMT -5
Rodon is the biggest trade chip. It was nice that he wanted to come here as a free agent but what he saw in the clubhouse is probably going to make him bolt as soon as possible. I could see him declining his player option and taking less money just to get out of San Francisco. Trading Rodon to a contender would be doing him a big favor.
What bothers me is that with the woke culture and bad attitude in the clubhouse is that San Francisco is no longer going to be a desired free agent destination. 107 win season will give a manager a pass only for so long. We can fantasize about getting Judge or Turner as free agents but realistically, who would want to play for the d-bag?
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 26, 2022 8:42:08 GMT -5
So with the trading deadline looming and with the Giants showing us that they arent even close to competing. it is time to visit iut trade options.. Lets face it.. We suck defensively, bullpen, hitting, managing, baserunning.. You know all facets of the game neccesary to succeed Rodon must go.. He would demand a kings ransom and the Giants can strengthen an already strong farm system. Truth is ither than Webb, i dont see an untouchable.. What say you?? Mordy I agree with you 1,000%! Webb is our only untouchable. But I think another good trade piece is Joc Pederson. His potential power numbers, and is winning history or something clubs are not going to want to pass up. Plus, he's not making that much money I have been preaching the same thing you have been saying in this post sell, sell, sell! |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 26, 2022 8:44:33 GMT -5
Rodon is the biggest trade chip. It was nice that he wanted to come here as a free agent but what he saw in the clubhouse is probably going to make him bolt as soon as possible. I could see him declining his player option and taking less money just to get out of San Francisco. Trading Rodon to a contender would be doing him a big favor. What bothers me is that with the woke culture and bad attitude in the clubhouse is that San Francisco is no longer going to be a desired free agent destination. 107 win season will give a manager a pass only for so long. We can fantasize about getting Judge or Turner as free agents but realistically, who would want to play for the d-bag? That is exactly what I have been saying, that there is no way he will want to come back and play with his Club next year. Why stay and play for an old team with no speed, a team that cannot play defense, and a team, in my opinion, that really doesn't care. Commentators can say all they want about how hard this team and the players are trying, but we watch them every single day, and I cannot say I see focus, I cannot see effort, nor desire. If I am Rodon I want out! |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 26, 2022 9:06:40 GMT -5
Boagie mentioned that Kapler is a manager that fits in with San Franciscans because of his politics but I don't know of anyone who thinks he has done a good job this year politics or not. Even casual baseball fans can recognize that he is over-managing and burning out the bullpen, and generally failing. Most Giants fans can tell if a manager is doing a good job or not and most people are not fooled by virtue signaling. I feel that a coach with the status of a Popovich or a Kerr has more leeway on the things they say because they have done their job as coaches. Those two have won their championships and their life experiences have more honesty. Kapler has not attained that status and frankly looks more like a buffoon or, even worse, like a phony. I mentioned on this board before that Kapler does a lot of re-tweeting on his twitter account and on his lifestyle website in an effort to make it look as if he is politically correct. He does so much re-tweeting that it makes it hard to believe that the guy is truly passionate about any particular issue. We watch the guy from a distance and feel what we feel but to be exposed to that stuff on a daily basis close up must be infuriating.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 26, 2022 16:18:18 GMT -5
Boagie mentioned that Kapler is a manager that fits in with San Franciscans because of his politics but I don't know of anyone who thinks he has done a good job this year politics or not. Even casual baseball fans can recognize that he is over-managing and burning out the bullpen, and generally failing. Most Giants fans can tell if a manager is doing a good job or not and most people are not fooled by virtue signaling. I feel that a coach with the status of a Popovich or a Kerr has more leeway on the things they say because they have done their job as coaches. Those two have won their championships and their life experiences have more honesty. Kapler has not attained that status and frankly looks more like a buffoon or, even worse, like a phony. I mentioned on this board before that Kapler does a lot of re-tweeting on his twitter account and on his lifestyle website in an effort to make it look as if he is politically correct. He does so much re-tweeting that it makes it hard to believe that the guy is truly passionate about any particular issue. We watch the guy from a distance and feel what we feel but to be exposed to that stuff on a daily basis close up must be infuriating.
Personally, I'm glad to hear it.
It is my opinion that for whatever the reason, he has lost the team.
Lost it completely.
Many of us here called him a phony when he got the job.
But I'm betting Farhan isn't about to show him the door for at least a year or two more. THAT would be admitting he made a mistake.
Kapler is doing to us just what he did to Philly: He's lost the players and killing the bullpen |
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Post by holiday613 on Jul 26, 2022 22:02:41 GMT -5
I said it before and it bears repeating.. The Giants declined immediately AFTER sitting out the Natuonal Anthem.. I felt at the time that it woult hurt us to the point where I poasted that i was done following the team amd sure enough my suspicions came to fruition.. Farhan, who * 8ntially adored, has lost me
.His waiver wire merry go around shtick hasnt worked.. His resigning if aged vets, was a big mistake a decent GM should have foreseen.. This disaster is on him and the best thing he should to, would be to fire Kapler..
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Post by Islandboagie on Jul 27, 2022 1:13:51 GMT -5
I agree, Mordy. And after tonight Rodon is gone also. Piss poor attitude, average pitcher at best.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2022 8:51:26 GMT -5
You know I agree. But the thing is if he was to fire a Kapler, that would be an issue that would cause him to lose face.
It would cause him to admit he was wrong, and that everyone was correct when they thought hiring Gabe was a mistake.
I still think he's going to do something stupid, like trading for Wilson contreras, or going after some Bullpen arms, all of which would cost us a lot of top minor leaguers.
Like Mordy I find it a strange coincidence that all of this occurred immediately following his national anthem protest.
Hiring a cancel culture, woke, Progressive liberal was a foolish thing to do because it was bound...destined to alienate fans and players alike.
We have gone from a team player wanted to play for to o e they want to avoid.
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 9:01:57 GMT -5
I agree, Mordy. And after tonight Rodon is gone also. Piss poor attitude, average pitcher at best. Rodon might have clipped Andrew Bailey earlier and Wilmer was pretty ticked off at Rodon and Estrada did not want to talk about it (Boly, can you check on the translation?). I would find it difficult to keep him after the trade deadline after these incidents. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 9:14:16 GMT -5
I said it before and it bears repeating.. The Giants declined immediately AFTER sitting out the Natuonal Anthem.. I felt at the time that it woult hurt us to the point where I poasted that i was done following the team amd sure enough my suspicions came to fruition.. Farhan, who * 8ntially adored, has lost me .His waiver wire merry go around shtick hasnt worked.. His resigning if aged vets, was a big mistake a decent GM should have foreseen.. This disaster is on him and the best thing he should to, would be to fire Kapler.. The churn was supposed to produce a higher floor and depth for the team but some of the guys Farhan got this season truly escape me. Anyone could see that guys like Donovan Walton, Papierski, and so forth were not major league caliber. As I mentioned before, I'm not so sure they even sent out a scout to look at some of these players he acquired. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2022 10:21:53 GMT -5
I agree, Mordy. And after tonight Rodon is gone also. Piss poor attitude, average pitcher at best. Rodon might have clipped Andrew Bailey earlier and Wilmer was pretty ticked off at Rodon and Estrada did not want to talk about it (Boly, can you check on the translation?). I would find it difficult to keep him after the trade deadline after these incidents. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2022 10:23:54 GMT -5
I said it before and it bears repeating.. The Giants declined immediately AFTER sitting out the Natuonal Anthem.. I felt at the time that it woult hurt us to the point where I poasted that i was done following the team amd sure enough my suspicions came to fruition.. Farhan, who * 8ntially adored, has lost me .His waiver wire merry go around shtick hasnt worked.. His resigning if aged vets, was a big mistake a decent GM should have foreseen.. This disaster is on him and the best thing he should to, would be to fire Kapler.. The churn was supposed to produce a higher floor and depth for the team but some of the guys Farhan got this season truly escape me. Anyone could see that guys like Donovan Walton, Papierski, and so forth were not major league caliber. As I mentioned before, I'm not so sure they even sent out a scout to look at some of these players he acquired.
Farhan did so well so early on with us, but this season looks as if his grabbing at the proverbial straws |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 10:31:00 GMT -5
The churn was supposed to produce a higher floor and depth for the team but some of the guys Farhan got this season truly escape me. Anyone could see that guys like Donovan Walton, Papierski, and so forth were not major league caliber. As I mentioned before, I'm not so sure they even sent out a scout to look at some of these players he acquired.
Farhan did so well so early on with us, but this season looks as if his grabbing at the proverbial strawsDubon is not doing well on the Astros and since he is out of options, they cannot send him to the minors, they would have to hope he passes through waivers. Also, Duggar just got sent to the minors. Those two would have served a purpose on the Giants since the team is so poor at defense but no use to a normal club. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 10:37:17 GMT -5
Rodon might have clipped Andrew Bailey earlier and Wilmer was pretty ticked off at Rodon and Estrada did not want to talk about it (Boly, can you check on the translation?). I would find it difficult to keep him after the trade deadline after these incidents. I'm not able to find it now but there was a CSNBAyAREA interview with Estrada done with a translator and they kept asking about Rodon and basically he kept saying "I'm good" and many times the translator "I don't want to talk about it". He was clearly still mad and I get the feeling that what he said was not what the translator said. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 27, 2022 10:38:15 GMT -5
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Post by holiday613 on Jul 27, 2022 12:51:00 GMT -5
Why couldnt Rodon at least kick the bat towards Kapler?? BTW, the one player we lost during all these stupid waiver picks was Berroa.. Just plain old dumb |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 27, 2022 13:03:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. The translator translated what he said accurately, Estrada does not want to talk about the incident.
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 8:17:40 GMT -5
I agree, Mordy. And after tonight Rodon is gone also. Piss poor attitude, average pitcher at best. Rodon might have clipped Andrew Bailey earlier and Wilmer was pretty ticked off at Rodon and Estrada did not want to talk about it (Boly, can you check on the translation?). I would find it difficult to keep him after the trade deadline after these incidents. Also, in the Rodon clip, Captain Belt walked past Rodon and did nothing. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 8:32:40 GMT -5
I said it before and it bears repeating.. The Giants declined immediately AFTER sitting out the Natuonal Anthem.. I felt at the time that it woult hurt us to the point where I poasted that i was done following the team amd sure enough my suspicions came to fruition.. Farhan, who * 8ntially adored, has lost me .His waiver wire merry go around shtick hasnt worked.. His resigning if aged vets, was a big mistake a decent GM should have foreseen.. This disaster is on him and the best thing he should to, would be to fire Kapler.. What I am not understanding right now is that on the back end of the churn, Zaidi is picking up guys and then they get DFA'd about a week later. The latest is Angel Rondon. I'm not sure if there's a limit to the number of players on the 60 day IL but he seems to have a lot more players than usual on it. |
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 8:35:59 GMT -5
Why couldnt Rodon at least kick the bat towards Kapler?? BTW, the one player we lost during all these stupid waiver picks was Berroa.. Just plain old dumb The whole Donovan Walton thing is a fiasco. They lost Berroa for him and its clear that Walton is incompetant in the field. How could a player whose defense is that poor get by the scouts? |
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 28, 2022 8:44:30 GMT -5
That is the question a whole bunch of us seem to be asking
It really begs the question as to what exactly the front office is looking at.
My personal concern is that the front office is looking at sabermetric stuff and NOT giving a proper ear to what the scouts are saying.
Because based upon this season, that's what it looks like
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Post by reedonly on Jul 28, 2022 10:44:05 GMT -5
I realize a lot of organizations have cut back on their scouts because of the pandemic and are getting their information from a pool but obtaining Walton is inexplicable. He doesn't have good sabermetrics, can't field. Maybe they didn't listen to the scouts because there were no scouts available.
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