When lies intersect with the World Series

[sharksrog]

Before the World Series arrived in Atlanta, the Braves announced that former president Donald Trump would attend Saturday night's Game 4.

Saturday, just before 1:30 p.m. ET, Trump sent an email to his mailing list, which read, in full: "Looking forward to being at the World Series in Atlanta tonight. Thank you to the Commissioner of Baseball Rob Manfred, and Randy Levine of the great New York Yankees, for the invite. Melania and I are looking forward to a wonderful evening watching two great teams!"

MLB disputes Trump's characterization of events.

In a statement to Yahoo Sports' Hannah Keyser, MLB officials indicated that Trump, as previously reported, requested to attend the game.


At least, as Trump lies go, this was a very unimportant one. If he could limit himself to lies of this low level of importance, I wouldn't feel as bad for him. Boly is the body language expert here. Did Melania's body language indicate she was happy to he attending the game with the ex-president?

[Islandboagie]

We don't know if it was a lie, it could have been an informal invitation that didn't go through major league baseball. But as you said it's of very low importance. So why are we talking about it? It seems your TDS has gotten the best of you again.

As for Melania's body language...she's always been very reserved and doesn't revel in the attention like Donald clearly does. I actually think Melania is more transparent than most political spouses because she isn't as polished. She doesn't really know how to put on a fake smile for the cameras.

I really prefer to leave spouses and children out of political talk, I believe it shows a lack of integrity, and crosses a clear line between ideologies and just being a monster. The democrats love to portray Melania as some sort of slave that cannot leave her shackles that Donald has put on her. I think that theory has a lot of underlying sexist connotations. I don't know their true relationship, but I don't believe it to be drastically different than most marriages in the political arena. Women are attracted to ambition, power and money. Outside of that, I find it hard to believe Donald has any characteristic that anyone would find attractive. We could say the same about many politicians. But I don't know their relationship, and I won't pretend to. Melania has chosen to skip events with Donald before which was quickly pointed out by the media, if she truly didn't want to be there, she wouldn't have been.

Melania and Ivanka carry themselves with humility and grace that Donald is void of. They are honest, and forthcoming and I believe to be genuinely caring people. The left tried to find anything of substance to attack them on but they could never come up with anything, so the narrative now is that Donald must have some sort of nefarious influence over them.

The way I feel about Melania and Ivanka I feel the exact same about Michelle Obama, I thought she was a fantastic first lady...eventhough I didn't agree with some of her comments. I felt equally disgusted when the right would disparage her, or their kids. I expect better from both sides.

[reedonly]

Whatever happened to Tara Reade? I thought Joe said "women must be heard".

[sharksrog]

I would think that if someone had extended an invitation to Trump, that once baseball denied it, they would have stepped up with the truth. I guess it's possible that didn't happen.

I give most people the benefit of the doubt, but Trump has lied so often it's tough to do so. When Fred told him that if you lie enough, people will believe it, he took it to heart and practiced it well.

Donald even lied, at least three times, that his father was born in Germany.

“My father is German — was German,” Trump said. “Born in a very wonderful place in Germany, so I have a great feeling for Germany.”

This is not true. Fred Trump is of German descent, and his father was a German immigrant. But Fred Trump was born in New York.

[Islandboagie]

The Liberal media killed the Tara Reade story.

[sharksrog]

On Friday, the New York Times reported that attorney Douglas Wigdor would no longer be representing Tara Reade, who has accused presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden of sexual assault.

Wigdor said in a statement that the decision is “by no means a reflection on whether then-Senator Biden sexually assaulted Ms. Reade.” The move comes, however, following a series of investigative reports questioning Reade’s general credibility or weakening the previous corroboration of the alleged attack.


If the Tara Reade story is true, it's a terrible thing. That said, ex-president Trump has admitted to bad things with women. It was amazing that he survived the video showing him bragging about his approach to women.

We know that Trump was a cheater (in many ways), and while Biden may have been, as far as we know, he's been faithful to his wife. Certainly he treats her much more affectionally than Donald has treated his wives.

I don't think it's very fruitful to take Joe Biden to character task to defend Trump.

It's kind of like the Hunter Biden thing. The FBI looked into it, and nothing significant was found as far as we know. Trump ADMITTED to doing things ("perfect phone call") that were quite possibly worse than anything Hunter Biden has been accused of. And the accusation is against the President's son, whereas as what Trump admitted to doing was done by Donald himself.

As for your comment that the liberal media killed the Tara Reade story, Matt, isn't it possible that the facts killed it?

[reedonly]

Reade may not be credible but no less credible than Blasey Ford.  Silence screams hypocrisy. 


Joe Biden: When a woman alleges sexual assault, presume she is telling the truth

[Islandboagie]

Stormy Daniels accused Trump of infidelity, whereas Reade accused Biden of assault. Kind of a big difference if you ask me.

Tara Reade had many associates from when the alleged assault happened that corroborate her story, but she never officially reported it to authorities (as many victims of sexual assault don't) so it got swept under the rug by the Liberal media who never really reported it to begin with. Considering Reade was a staffer of Biden's, logic would say there's probably something to it.

[reedonly]

My problem is that people tried to ruin Judge Kavanaugh and these same people ignored Reade because Biden was their candidate to beat Trump. I’m not using it to defend Trump but Kavanaugh was smeared mercilessly by someone less credible and Reade should have at least had a chance to say her piece. Those who remain silent about Reade show tacit approval because it aligns with their agenda. That’s why people in power don’t get it about women, race relations, etc.

[sharksrog]

Donald Trump has been sued and criminally charged FAR too many times not to have been guilty. I believe he's got 10 suits against him right now.

Right around the time he began running for President, he lost a $25 million fraud suit against Trump University. I was initially attracted to Trump because of his reputation as a good businessman, but in reality, despite highly unethical behavior, he's gone bankrupt six times. Isn't bankruptcy kind of welfare for the rich?

I'm with you, Reed, against hypocrisy. But Reade's lawyer dropped her, and I believe it was allegedly because of the facts of the case. Did you read what I wrote above about Reade, Reed? That's a lot of reads, Reades and Reeds.

[Islandboagie]

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html

[Islandboagie]

The most shocking part of this video is CNN was actually covering it.

[reedonly]

I guess powers that be squelched it.

[sharksrog]

Let's suppose that Biden is flat-out guilty here. That doesn't make Trump any better, does it?

If Biden was guilty, that will likely come out. But let's not forget that Reade's lawyer dropped her, perhaps worrying that the evidence wasn't supporting here.

Again, maybe Biden is guilty here. If so, I hope he gets what is coming to him.

But regardless of what happened, it has nothing to do with Donald, whom Matt has admitted is a narcissist, which means he's mentally ill. Why would anyone in his right mind support a person who is mentally ill? Feel sorry for the person? Yes. Try to assist him or her in getting help? You bet. But vote for him or her? Why?

[Islandboagie]

You're right, it has nothing to do with Donald, so why did you bring up his name again?

[sharksrog]

Why did I bring up Donald's name again? Could it be because the threat is about him?

Why did you guys bring up Biden's name? I'm not saying it was wrong to do so. What I'm saying is that you criticized me for doing what you guys did.

Why didn't you guys bring up the time Biden's wife was standing onstage beside him, and he said that she wished could be there, completely forgetting she was standing beside him? You guys keep talking about how senile he is. Wasn't that perhaps the best example of all? And you didn't even bring it up.

[reedonly]

Trump is no longer president so no one cares about what he says about a baseball game. I brought up Tara Reade because of the way partisan politics has a way of attacking those that do not go along with the agenda and ignoring the transgressions of those who do. Biden and Kavanaugh are relevant because they are active. If they mislead us (no new taxes on middle class) it matters.

By the way, did you consider that Reade's lawyer might have dropped her because he was afraid of being killed? That was the first thing I thought of.

[sharksrog]

I didn't consider that Reade's lawyer might have dropped her because he was afraid of being killed. Has our country come to that? I don't think so. What have you seen that even made you think of such a thing?

What new taxes on the middle class have you seen?

I just started the book "Preventable." It is confirming that Trump cost us hundreds of thousands of lives and necessitated that our economy be shut down because of is inaction.

Trump is no longer president, but he's still the most powerful (and disruptive) man in the Republican Party, so his telling yet another lie matters. I don't believe there is any other American who unnecessarily caused so many deaths, lost jobs and trillions of dollars of debt as Donald. Historians actually rank one president as badly as Trump and two below him. I cringe to think how bad those guys were.

I hope I'm wrong, but I get the impression many here don't read broadly and that they simply don't care, that they're living a lie. I've had a lot of communication with Boly and Matt, and I haven't seen any indication they are attempting any kind of broad learning. They seem comfortable living a lie.

No one has yet explained what they know about the election that the Supreme Court doesn't know. Guys, if the Republicans can appoint two-thirds of the Supreme Court and Trump himself can appoint a third of it, and yet they're wrong and you're right about the election, Trump and the Republicans are horribly inept, right?

Can't you guys see how blind you're being?

[reedonly]

Going to pass on the Supreme Court question. Don’t know. Election was over 12 months ago. To be frank, I’ve got enough personal things to worry about.

[reedonly]

About Reade’s lawyer, he felt Reade was credible but he dropped her without reason. This is just speculation on my own part and just a gut reaction.  I was thinking he might have felt threatened and pulled out abruptly  because he knew too much.

[reedonly]

I think most people will see new taxes come next spring and everyone’s expecting it because of pandemic.

[sharksrog]

I have yet to find anyone who is willing to step up to the Supreme Court question, just as it's hard to find factual answers from Trump supporters on almost any difficult question. But it's perhaps the biggest question facing our nation.

What this country needs is to be able to trust its leaders. Trump is trying his hardest to kill that trust with lies. Fact checkers' research indicates Trump misspoke over 30,000 times during his presidency. That's over 20 times a day, which fits nicely with what his dad Fred told him -- if you lie enough, they'll begin to believe it. The statement originally came from Joesph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda. And we know Trump somehow has a fondness for Hitler.

Trump wants us to believe him, a known pathological liar, over the Supreme Court. Over 60 other courts. Over Republican election officials. Over his own Attorney General and Justice Department. Over fellow Republican politicians.

We heard with our own ears Trump implore the Georgia Secretary of State to come up with close to 12,000 votes, which Trump needed win the election in Georgia. Never mind that he needed to win at least two other states as well, it would have been horribly WRONG of the Georgia Secretary of State to do what Trump asked him to do. It would have been illegal. Trump's followers ignore that Trump is on tape saying illegal things because he has convinced them of his Big Lie.

I have found that when I ask questions to learn more about why intelligent Trump supporters support him despite all his lies and his continued attack on democracy that, like Reed here -- and I don't know whom you support, Reed -- they either take the fifth or just drink it.

[sharksrog]

We're going to have to have new taxes at some point. Trump's mishandling of the pandemic cost us trillions, and he had already put us $2 trillion more in debt. We're going to have to pay for Trump's mistakes somehow.

But whereas Trump created much of his $2 trillion addition to the debt (even though he failed to spend his promised $1 trillion on infrastructure) by lowering taxes mostly on business and the wealthy, Biden has pledged to tax businesses and those making over $400 per year.

How it will all play out, we'll see. But Trump sold our country a bill of good when he talked about reducing taxes for the lower and middle classes. Some of them got relief (I did); other didn't (my wife's taxes went up). But almost no business or who was wealthy saw their taxes increase, and most saw a significant decrease, which contributed to Trump's failure to balance the budget as he promised. Hey, he did his part by not passing his promised infrastructure bill, but that merely prevented his deficit from increasing to $3 trillion from $2 trillion.

That is "all" his deficit was -- until the pandemic quadrupled that figure.

[reedonly]

I don't care for politics and politicians.  Let's leave it at that.

[sharksrog]

The thing of it is that politics has become so important. I have to admit that for most of my life I've taken our democracy too much for granted. I never thought democracy would be threatened in the greatest country in the world.

[reedonly]

Politics just seems to be about getting elected and re elected.

[Islandboagie]

You'll have to excuse Rog, he still maintains that our democracy was threatened by some drunk dude in a buffalo headdress. Which means reality is not Rog's strong suit.

[reedonly]

I thought it was a flash mob taking selfies

[sharksrog]

Just take 90 minutes and watch the HBO special "Four Hours at the Capitol." Try a little truth for a change, Matt. Unless you're Donald Trump, the truth shall set you free.

Why is it that Trump's best defense has been to hide the truth?

[sharksrog]

Just tell the truth, Matt. Watch the video or expand your reading to include the center. Or maybe read this:

www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/a-man-wearing-a-buffalo-cap-proves-how-far-mis-disinformation-can-go-and-how-dangerous-it-can-be/


You've said, Matt, that no one supports the violence at the Capitol. Why, then, are people trying to avoid investigating it? Are they afraid of the truth? If the buffalo headdress were anywhere close to the most outlandish thing about 1/6, we wouldn't have to worry.

You are guilty of trying to hide the truth by laying it off as just a weird guy with the headdress. You know, the Shaman of Q-Anon, "far-right conspiracy theory and movement centered on false claims made by an anonymous individual or individuals, known by the name "Q", that a cabal of Satanic,[1][2][3] cannibalistic pedophiles operate a global child sex trafficking ring that conspired against former president Donald Trump during his term in office.[2][3][4][5] QAnon has been described as a cult with roots in antisemitism and Nazism.[6]"

You know, the group that Trump refused to disavow, lying that he knew nothing about them and then almost jokingly saying that he knew they "fight" pedophilia.