Question: Does Logan Webb have the highest trade value?

[sharksrog]

The Giants aren't going to trade him, but does Logan Webb have the highest trade value of any player they control?

He's the one who jumps out at me first. Pretty proven now. Four more years of team control, including one more season before arbitration eligibility.

Webb pitched to 3.7 WAR this past season. He allowed only 23% line drives and a paltry 12% fly balls. His 61% ground ball rate and 26% strikeout rate were both impressive, as was his 6% walk rate. Who would have thought a year ago that Logan would be this good already. I think he may have already done the best of any Giants pitching prospect since Madison Bumgarner.

Because they're an older team, the Giants don't possess a ton of trade value, but whom would we say has the next highest trade value behind Logan (assuming we agree he has the most)?

[reedonly]

They’re all asking for Bart, Luciano, Ramos , and Bailey and mostly Bart because they drafted Bailey

[sharksrog]

The Giants have some players on their 26-man roster with decent trade value, but I suspect that as you mention, perhaps Luciano, Bart and Ramos have the most. Since he's signed for two years at a reasonable rate, Crawford likely has decent trade value, not that the Giants want to trade him.

The Giants will likely be in the best position to trade when their very young top prospects get closer to the major leagues. The Giants appear to be building duplicate assets behind the plate and perhaps in the outfield. Not that they're anywhere close to a surfeit, but the Giants now have better pitching prospects than they've had in a while. Still, since the prospects are young and the Giants' present rotation is mostly unsigned, that is considered their top area of need right now. And as some have posted, a team almost can't have too many relievers.

But the Giants may be only two or three years away from being in the enviable position of having prospects to trade for vets if appropriate.

[Islandboagie]

Trading away our young prospects for veterans has worked so marvelously recently, we should definitely do it again.

OR we could keep our young players and maybe put together a team that can make it through the first round of the playoffs.

[sharksrog]

Whereas the Giants over the years have done a lot of trading of prospects to help them make the postseason, under Mr. Zaidi they've overall been pretty neutral in that regard. The Giants could wind up regretting the Kris Bryant trade, but they avoided giving up any prospects who didn't have multiple prospects at their position ahead of them, and if they had won the World Series, I don't think many would be questioning the Bryant trade. Even tough they didn't, I don't think too many people are questioning it.

By the way, if the Giants had Bryant under contract for several years, HE might have the highest trade value in the organization. At least of any position player.

Wouldn't it be great if in two or three years the Giants are so loaded with prospects that they could make a deal for superstars the way the Dodgers did? Whether they should do so or not, we'd have to see. But wouldn't it be great to at least be in position to make such a decision?

I can't remember a really good prospect the Giants have traded since Zack Wheeler. Part of that was because for years they didn't HAVE any top prospects, but since drafting Joey Bart, they have. And they've done a very nice job of hanging onto them.

The key for Mr. Zaidi will be once he's got together a great, young team, locking them up, then knowing which players to trade and when to trade them before they become too expensive to keep. It's tough to build a great team, but it's even tougher to turn it into a consistent dynasty.

[sharksrog]

Perhaps the best trade the Giants made in (fairly) recent years was for Marco Scutaro. At the time of the trade, Marco was having a tough year outside Coors Field, but after the trade he could hit pretty much everywhere. Hard to know on that one if the Giants were lucky or good.

The nice thing now is that the Giants are trading for players they think they can help improve, which should give them a better chance for upside. They do that more during the winter and early in the season though than at the trade deadline, where they don't figure they have much time to coach a player up.

[Islandboagie]

Rog- I can't remember a really good prospect the Giants have traded since Zack Wheeler. Part of that was because for years they didn't HAVE any top prospects, but since drafting Joey Bart, they have. And they've done a very nice job of hanging onto them.

Boagie- True, they haven't had any high profile prospects between Zack Wheeler and Joey Bart. It's pretty hard to trade them away when you don't have them. When I say "recently" I mean over the last 10 years or so. I don't have to tell you I didn't like the Wheeler trade. I was also against us getting rid of Adam Duvall and Bryan Reynolds, eventhough they weren't necessarily top prospects, but they were young players of value. Value that I don't want to get rid of for a veteran near retirement. Obviously I don't blame Zaidi for those...but those moves I do consider recent. Imagine our lineup with Duvall and Reynolds, and perhaps having Wheeler for a good portion of the last 10 years. Wheeler has had dissapointing seasons with injuries, but he's had some good years too. He would have been far more valuable to our organization than a few months of Beltran.

Zaidi has done well at keeping what we have in tact, but up until this season we were in a rebuild mode, you'd have to be a complete moron to trade away prospects when you're trying to rebuild. That said, I've been happy over these last few years with Zaidi's moves whether it be trading for young players or dumping contracts, and somehow he managed to do both with the Melancon trade.

As for Kris Bryant, part of me wanted that professional hitter in our lineup, the other part didn't want us giving up anyone for a rental. Right before the deadline I said Zaidi should still be in rebuild mode and to forget the rental player. But I understand why he did it and I won't hold it against him even though Bryant shit the bed.

This off season I believe we should still be in rebuild mode, because that's what Zaidi is good at. I don't want to see any young players going in return for veterans. Zaidi and his scouts have shown they can find some hidden gems without opening their wallet, or losing young talented players..I hope they keep the same strategy moving forward.

The ONLY player I might make an exception with is one we should have never lost..Bryan Reynolds. I believe he is on the cusp of being one of the better players in the game, and he would fit perfectly into the game plan that Zaidi and Kapler already have set - be patient and swing with intent. If they could get him and not lose too much, I'd be all for it. Otherwise, I believe they should stick to the same strategy they've been good at for the last few years.

[klaiggeb]

I agree, hoagie.

Yeah, we won a hundred and seven games, which is great.

But we need to remember the ages of our top three players Brandon Crawford, Brandon Bill, and Buster Posey. All in their mid-30s and that is about the time when players start declining.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that the season these three just had is not their final spurt year. A moniker I made up about 10 years ago to describe players who have a season like Aubrey Huff had for us in 2010. 1 last great season, and then they fall off a cliff.

We must as you are so appropriately said stay in the rebuild mode.

Farhan Has done such a great job of rebuilding our farm system, that it would be a shame to start trading them away before all the efforts that he and others have made have a chance to come to fruition.

Trading away really good prospects I don't believe is something he would do, and would be contrary to what he says he's all about.

[reedonly]

Nov 2, 2021 9:11:09 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

I agree, hoagie.

Yeah, we won a hundred and seven games, which is great.

But we need to remember the ages of our top three players Brandon Crawford, Brandon Bill, and Buster Posey. All in their mid-30s and that is about the time when players start declining.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that the season these three just had is not their final spurt year. A moniker I made up about 10 years ago to describe players who have a season like Aubrey Huff had for us in 2010. 1 last great season, and then they fall off a cliff.

We must as you are so appropriately said stay in the rebuild mode.

Farhan Has done such a great job of rebuilding our farm system, that it would be a shame to start trading them away before all the efforts that he and others have made have a chance to come to fruition.

Trading away really good prospects I don't believe is something he would do, and would be contrary to what he says he's all about.

That would be the route I would go with.  

[klaiggeb]

Hoagie? So sorry about that boagie. Stupid phone!

My fault for not double checking that it actually posted what I said!

Sheesh!

[sharksrog]

An "H" is so close to a "B" that I didn't even notice, Holy, I mean Boly!

Now that I know you're dictating your posts, I must apologize to you for "misspelling" my name. For some reason dictation picks up Roger with the less common British spelling of Rodger. My name came from the military and World War II. My dad heard Roger much more often than any other name, perhaps including his own.

[sharksrog]

I don't think we have to worry about Mr. Zaidi trying to trade prospects unnecessarily for veterans. He thinks on a higher plane than we do. That doesn't mean he's incapable of making mistakes, and it doesn't mean every move will work. I have mentioned I'm expecting a dip this upcoming season.

But clearly he knows what he wants and has come up with excellent strategy and tactics to get it. And the Giants have their best farm system perhaps in their SF history. When the Giants came to SF, they had excellent prospects, and in 1958 they put many on the roster concurrent with the move. I don't believe the Giants have had a farm system as good since, although even then they still had both McCovey and Marichal in the system. They also had a bevy of prospects in the early 70's.

[sharksrog]

I see that either Boly doesn't get "Farmhand" when he posts Mr. Zaidi's first name because he's dictating, or perhaps its only my account that has been rigged that way. Anyway, it's actually a nice coincidence that some of his success will almost certainly be coming from, yes, farmhands.

Don't forget either that most of the top prospects who are closest to the majors were acquired by the previous regime.

[reedonly]

Nov 2, 2021 9:11:09 GMT -5 klaiggeb said:

I agree, hoagie.

Yeah, we won a hundred and seven games, which is great.

But we need to remember the ages of our top three players Brandon Crawford, Brandon Bill, and Buster Posey. All in their mid-30s and that is about the time when players start declining.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that the season these three just had is not their final spurt year. A moniker I made up about 10 years ago to describe players who have a season like Aubrey Huff had for us in 2010. 1 last great season, and then they fall off a cliff.

We must as you are so appropriately said stay in the rebuild mode.

Farhan Has done such a great job of rebuilding our farm system, that it would be a shame to start trading them away before all the efforts that he and others have made have a chance to come to fruition.

Trading away really good prospects I don't believe is something he would do, and would be contrary to what he says he's all about.

Farhan will not be trading them away unless they don't fit.

[klaiggeb]

Yep! Totally agree, Reed!