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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 16, 2021 21:28:36 GMT -5
A series we just had to win, had to win we choke on the carrot.
What was that nonsense from Kevin gausman this afternoon?
What did I post yesterday? That he had to not just be good but be very good.
And it wasn't
Y'all May disagree with me, but this was a character game. A character moment.
And Kevin gausman failed just like Alvarez failed the last time he was the opener.
You simply cannot go out there and games this big and suck that badly!
I've been upset that this team a few times this year, but they've always come back and prove me wrong.
But this was horse crap! Absolute horse crap!
Couldn't hit couldn't pitch. Way to go! Way to go!
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Post by holiday613 on Sept 16, 2021 23:30:43 GMT -5
I always felt there is no way we can hold off the Dodgers for the division.. Luckily because if Yom Kippur I Didn't have to witness the last 2 games but this team was always playing with fire with bullpen games and it finally came back to bite them.. There are so many better options but the geniuses insisting on the BS bullpen games.. Makes absolutely no sense unless its an emergency.. We had suitable backups in the minors for stopgap measures.. Im pretty pissed too Boly... Inexusable
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Post by reedonly on Sept 17, 2021 9:24:49 GMT -5
Has Sam Long really dropped out of favor? He could have been developed to stretch out longer outings as the season progressed.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 17, 2021 9:35:49 GMT -5
I always felt there is no way we can hold off the Dodgers for the division.. Luckily because if Yom Kippur I Didn't have to witness the last 2 games but this team was always playing with fire with bullpen games and it finally came back to bite them.. There are so many better options but the geniuses insisting on the BS bullpen games.. Makes absolutely no sense unless its an emergency.. We had suitable backups in the minors for stopgap measures.. Im pretty pissed too Boly... Inexusable
I went to be angry, and woke up angrier.
I've spoken a lot over the years about my time as a player and a coach, and one of the things I always noted was "who were my gamers," my character-in-the-moment guys, and who was not.
Because of that, I simply cannot stop looking at the Giants in the same way; who are those character in the moment guys? Who are those gamers; the guys that can be counted upon to be sharp when they are needed most.
Not that they'll always succeed, but you can tell by their performances who those guys are, and who is not.
On this team we have some character in the moment guys guys; Crawford, Ruff, Flores and Wade top my list.
I'd like to put Estrada on that list, too, but he's a kid, and IMHO, just a shade behind.
Longoria is sometimes, and lately, lately, so is La Stella and Belt.
As for the rest this season? Well, IMHO, we have some glaring disappointments: guys who perform well when it really doesn't count so much.
Bryant tops that list followed closely and I mean closely by Yaz and Dickerson.
Yaz has been a disappointment to me beyond words, and so has Dickerson.
Behind them, (now don't get mad and throw a hissy), Posey, Solano, Casali, Duggar and the rest.
On the pitching side, the only one who makes my character in the moment list is Rogers.
Some are close: McGee and Watson, but not one starter makes my character in the moment list.
Gausman is supposed to be our ace, but last night was not the first time he's spit the bit.
And if you are "the guy," you simply cannot fall on your face and stink when it counts the most.
I think back to 2010, 2012, and 2014 and our pitching staff was FULL of character in the moment/gamer guys:
Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, Vogy, Romo, Affeldt, Lopez and Casilla on the pitching side.
On the other side, Pence tops my list followed closely by Posey, And Sandoval.
There were others along the way to be sure: Ross and Renteria come to mind.
But this group?
On the pitching side, we come up short, and not by a little.
And the fact that we LACK even one our starters in my gamer/character in the moment guys list is likely to cost us big time.
Sure, we could argue that we have the best record in baseball; that we have a winning record against LA, and that we have led for 95% of the season.
But all of that means nothing when Mr. Pressure plops its fat fanny squarely in your lap.
Performance under pressure, when it counts the most, to me, means everything.
Doesn't mean you have to succeed every time, but it DOES mean the player doesn't choke in the moment.
And right now, we have too many starters who do.
Just my opinion.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 17, 2021 12:39:07 GMT -5
The only pitcher I'd trust in a big game right now is Webb. But even he hasn't proven it..yet.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 17, 2021 14:29:46 GMT -5
The only pitcher I'd trust in a big game right now is Webb. But even he hasn't proven it..yet.
Webb, at least to me, has show a "Matt Cain-like" tenacity and toughness in his starts.
I don't see that from anyone else.
DesClafani would be another guy with that same tenacity... but to me, he's a distant second.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2021 22:23:45 GMT -5
Gausman is hanging everything tonight.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 21, 2021 22:33:50 GMT -5
I just signed on to post the exact same thing. Another big game another Choke by Gausman.
Another choke!
Traded as a Giants fan I am flat sick of this crap from Kevin gausman. You want to be considered the ace and you better damn well pitch like an ace!
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Post by reedonly on Sept 21, 2021 23:25:38 GMT -5
Gausman has cost himself millions. Pitched like an ace in the first half and barely a number 4 in the second half.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 22, 2021 10:21:06 GMT -5
Gausman has cost himself millions. Pitched like an ace in the first half and barely a number 4 in the second half.
What his last couple of starts show me is that he is NOT a guy I want out there in a big game. Not at all.
Which leaves Logan Webb... all of 24 years old.
Man! Has he come a long way in a really short time! |
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Post by reedonly on Sept 22, 2021 10:30:02 GMT -5
Credit Kapler for pulling Gausman after 4. He obviously did not have it last night but Musgrove was hanging a lot, also. Having Flores pinch hit was one of the early keys to the game last night.
I'm not sure what was going on in the other dugout. I think Tingler should have pulled Musgrove a little earlier, also. The gold chain bit is a bad idea. They are now 5 games out of the second wild card now chasing the Cardinals, Reds, and Phillies and I'm not sure they should be celebrating anything. If anything, the gold chain antics fire up the opponent. Tingler is likely going to be canned after the season. Even though Bruce Bochy would command the respect of these players, I'm not sure he would want to step into this situation and I think he may not want to run a sabermetric team at this stage.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 22, 2021 10:38:42 GMT -5
Credit Kapler for pulling Gausman after 4. He obviously did not have it last night but Musgrove was hanging a lot, also. Having Flores pinch hit was one of the early keys to the game last night. I'm not sure what was going on in the other dugout. I think Tingler should have pulled Musgrove a little earlier, also. The gold chain bit is a bad idea. They are now 5 games out of the second wild card now chasing the Cardinals, Reds, and Phillies and I'm not sure they should be celebrating anything. If anything, the gold chain antics fire up the opponent. Tingler is likely going to be canned after the season. Even though Bruce Bochy would command the respect of these players, I'm not sure he would want to step into this situation and I think he may not want to run a sabermetric team at this stage.
I know if I was in the other dugout, seeing that would tick me off but good!
That's high school/little league nonsense.
Good point, also about Tingler.
I really hadn't considered that they'd show him the door... but with the talent on that roster, much like the manager in NY, both have failed miserably.
Then again, I would argue and HAVE argued that one of the biggest problems in SD is chemistry.
Everything is out of sync without good team chemistry.
ANY team with Machado is going to have that problem, IMHO.
I've seen nothing from that guy to sway me from my position that he's in it for the paycheck and nothing more.
There are those who berate the concept of Chemistry because it can't be measured in numbers, and that's true to a point.
Then again, heart and courage and honor can't be measured in numbers either, but all of them are required to be a good leader, player and/or person.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 22, 2021 10:44:08 GMT -5
Machado is not the problem. I think he was right to call out Fernando last weekend.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 22, 2021 12:29:53 GMT -5
Machado is not the problem. I think he was right to call out Fernando last weekend.
But consider: have you ever heard of one former teammate calling him a "great guy?" or a "great teammate?" Or even said one thing about him being a solid guy?
Or anything positive about him at all?
I can't remember even one.
But I CAN remember tons of other players about whom former teammates have praised.
But not Machado. |
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 22, 2021 13:10:19 GMT -5
Machado was a hot head when he was younger, and it led to him doing stupid things. I think he's matured now, and his comment to Tatis Jr. "it's not all about you" seems team oriented to me, and the kind of message you'd hear from a good team leader. I never much liked Machado, but he definitely seems to be in the right here.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 22, 2021 15:37:06 GMT -5
With a five game deficit and needing to pass three teams, fangraphs gives the Padres about 1% chance of making the playoffs. Based on run differential, they’ve underperformed all three teams ahead of them in the playoff chase. I've read that local San Diego writers are saying it is the worst season ever based on the high expectations. The things the people on SD blogs complain about are eerily similar to our complaints about the Giants. Lots of injuries, inability to land Scherzer at the trade deadline but the thing that really sticks out is that they can't point to one thing, its almost everything. Its injuries, the GM, manager, rotation, hitting, bad contracts, and decimated farm system.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 23, 2021 9:55:39 GMT -5
With a five game deficit and needing to pass three teams, fangraphs gives the Padres about 1% chance of making the playoffs. Based on run differential, they’ve underperformed all three teams ahead of them in the playoff chase. I've read that local San Diego writers are saying it is the worst season ever based on the high expectations. The things the people on SD blogs complain about are eerily similar to our complaints about the Giants. Lots of injuries, inability to land Scherzer at the trade deadline but the thing that really sticks out is that they can't point to one thing, its almost everything. Its injuries, the GM, manager, rotation, hitting, bad contracts, and decimated farm system.
I still come back to the "team chemistry" thing.
Even if it's not Machado, this group just doesn't have that "it" that makes up good chemistry. |
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Post by reedonly on Sept 23, 2021 10:19:12 GMT -5
I don't see why Tingler had to get rid of Rothschild. Rothschild is a respected pitching coach who has been around for a while and its not his fault that they had so many injuries. Supposedly Tingler is one of those sabermetric types that can't peel his eyes away from the iPad.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 23, 2021 10:29:59 GMT -5
And Reed, I would argue that it shows!
Kapler learned and adjusted, Tingler has not... at least not yet.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 24, 2021 10:30:51 GMT -5
This morning on KNBR, they were discussing Yastrzemski and they pointed out three things that are bothering Yaz. First thing was that he suffered a hand injury after being hit by a pitch at the end of spring training and it was more serious than he let on. It screwed up his bat grip. Second was another injury mid-season. Third was that the league now knows he cannot hit the high fast ball and that he has not made the adjustment. He probably developed some bad habits from the injuries. He's a very hard worker and I'm confident he can make the corrections but I'm not sure if he can make the corrections in time for the playoffs.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2021 13:02:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, Reed!
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