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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 31, 2021 23:14:47 GMT -5
This post is going to be about Buster Posey, whom I lavished praise upon early in the season.
For about the last month, maybe a little bit longer, what I continue to see, and Mike krukow continues to deny, is that every single game three, four, five, six times, you see Buster Posey taking off balance awkward swing.
I have waited a month to post this. I have carefully watched the other players on our team. Even Alex Dickerson, who loves to chase bouncing curveballs, is not making three, four, five, six, off-balance awkward swings every game.
Everyone on this board, everyone in the San Francisco Giants announcing Booth, seems to think that Buster Posey can do no wrong. I don't share that feeling.
I continue to see the holes in his game, and I don't believe he deserves the continued praise that he gets at the plate.
Now, you want to talk is history with the team? I'm right there with you. Outstanding player who deserved every honor he got.
But what I'm seeing in the last month, month-and-a-half is a player not hitting with any power at all.
Be honest, when was the last time you saw him hit a double? When was the last time you saw him hit a home run? Sure you might be able to come up with one of each, but in the last month that power is not there.
He continues to roll over on pitches and doesn't drive the ball anywhere.
So now I will sit back and take your ire.
You thought I hated Tim Lincecum I do not you thought I've always hated Buster Posey I do not.
I am ecstatic for what he's done for us, but I'm not happy with what he is doing for us.
I'm even more unhappy with the praise lavished on him by my crew, and others that isn't deserved.
So now, go ahead rip me a new one.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 1, 2021 7:13:19 GMT -5
I agree, he’s back to the same player he was over the last two years, not the superstar he played like earlier this season. Farhan beware before offering him this rumored extension. With so many quality free agent shortstops available this offseason I wasn’t thrilled with even the Crawford extension, although he certainly earned it, but I’d be very careful about extending Posey, especially with Joey Bart ready to take over.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 1, 2021 8:07:11 GMT -5
Buster has a $22m team option for 2022, which is what he's getting now. That seems reasonable but I would not give him more than two years. Basically, we'd be expecting Terry Steinbach type production.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 1, 2021 9:44:24 GMT -5
You're not drawing my ire, Boly, I agree. I think Buster is tiring, due to the fact that he didn't play at all last season. That, and I believe he might still be suffering from the concussion symptoms I commented on about a month ago, which was about when his decline started.
If only we had a young, top prospect, drafted #2 overall, with a .900 ops and a 32% caught stealing rate ready to take on some of the catching duties and give Posey more rest......
Nah, that's crazy talk.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 1, 2021 10:27:55 GMT -5
For the month of August, he hit .227. On KNBR this morning, Krukow was specifically worried about Buster with regards to the Giants' hitting woes and said he is totally off balance, not getting the lower half of the body into the ball. Probably the knee injury. Maybe they need to move him down in the lineup since we have others who can step up if necessary. Problem is, Crawford and Dickerson are starting to wear down also.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 1, 2021 10:56:40 GMT -5
I agree, he’s back to the same player he was over the last two years, not the superstar he played like earlier this season. Farhan beware before offering him this rumored extension. With so many quality free agent shortstops available this offseason I wasn’t thrilled with even the Crawford extension, although he certainly earned it, but I’d be very careful about extending Posey, especially with Joey Bart ready to take over.
You summed it up perfectly; he's back to being the player he was these past 2 years.
Actually, I've been wondering if Posey sees the same thing and that he's considering retiring at the end of this season. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 1, 2021 10:58:01 GMT -5
For the month of August, he hit .227. On KNBR this morning, Krukow was specifically worried about Buster with regards to the Giants' hitting woes and said he is totally off balance, not getting the lower half of the body into the ball. Probably the knee injury. Maybe they need to move him down in the lineup since we have others who can step up if necessary. Problem is, Crawford and Dickerson are starting to wear down also.
The knee injury certainly could be the reason for the lack of power, but all of the off balance stuff?
That's something else. |
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 1, 2021 18:37:07 GMT -5
Mark- With so many quality free agent shortstops available this offseason I wasn’t thrilled with even the Crawford extension
Boagie- quality shortstops like Francisco Lindor?
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Post by reedonly on Sept 2, 2021 10:12:12 GMT -5
On KNBR, Estes also spoke about Posey's lower half being off balance, probably compensating for various dings to the knee and heel. I would DL him and bring up Bart but I think what will happen is Casalli will be catching 3 out of 4. We will need Buster being more optimal but this will be balanced by how many games this will cost us.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2021 10:18:36 GMT -5
On KNBR, Estes also spoke about Posey's lower half being off balance, probably compensating for various dings to the knee and heel. I would DL him and bring up Bart but I think what will happen is Casalli will be catching 3 out of 4. We will need Buster being more optimal but this will be balanced by how many games this will cost us.
I'm sure glad SOMEONE(s) are finally pointing out that there IS a problem with Buster.
Thing is, IMHO, the knee acting up accounts for his lack of power, but not his balance.
I watched his swings last night, especially the ones they showed in slow motion, and I didn't see him grimacing or having any problem at all driving off that back knee.
Of course I have no way of knowing for sure, but based upon the gyrations he's been doing with those "facial" stretches at the plate, I'm more inclined to say vision issue.
He's just not seeing the ball at all it appears. |
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 2, 2021 11:47:54 GMT -5
Weird, Boagie, that you responded by mentioning a shortstop that isn’t a free agent. You’ve always been a bit sentimental but I’m not that type. Corey Seager, Carlos Correa, Trevor Story, Javy Baez. All free agents after this season, and considering age, all but Baez would be preferable to Crawford, unless you think Crawford will be a better player at 35 than he was at 25. I’m going with the famed Boly “final spurt year.” I also put Posey and Belt in that same category. To be honest, I’d let them all walk (too late for Craw) let Bart take over behind the plate and hit free agency for the other positions. Bryant is the only everyday player that’s a free agent I’d want to keep.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2021 12:45:48 GMT -5
Weird, Boagie, that you responded by mentioning a shortstop that isn’t a free agent. You’ve always been a bit sentimental but I’m not that type. Corey Seager, Carlos Correa, Trevor Story, Javy Baez. All free agents after this season, and considering age, all but Baez would be preferable to Crawford, unless you think Crawford will be a better player at 35 than he was at 25. I’m going with the famed Boly “final spurt year.” I also put Posey and Belt in that same category. To be honest, I’d let them all walk (too late for Craw) let Bart take over behind the plate and hit free agency for the other positions. Bryant is the only everyday player that’s a free agent I’d want to keep.
Thing about Crawford is that I'm betting Farhan gave him the extension because he wants to (1) bridge the time between Luciano's arrival, and (2) spend his big bucks on starting pitching, which, as evidenced by this season, right now, we are in a desperate situation.
Plus, Farhan also said as we approached the deadline that starting pitching was something he really wanted to add.
Had he done so, our current predicament would be less precarious.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 2, 2021 15:50:31 GMT -5
As we saw in previous seasons, Craw had a tendency to get slow and heavy. If he can keep the weight off, I think he will be okay, not on fire as he was at the beginning of the season but not as bad as in 2019, 2020. I probably would not have signed Seager (injury) or Story (bad season). Baez does not fit the Farhan mold. Correa would have been the only one that was realistically a better option than Crawford. Also, from what I'm reading, they don't think Luciano will be long term at SS if he puts on more muscle mass as he matures.
Posey has the club option for 2022. I think they will exercise that and he will call it a career. He can have the Buster Farewell Tour and retire as a Giant.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 3, 2021 7:03:38 GMT -5
Completely disagree with Boly that Posey will retire. Overall he’s had a great year, he’ll get in the playoffs again and he got a taste of what retirement was like in 2020 and I’m going to bet he didn’t like it one bit! I mean I’m 66 and when I’m traveling I feel like I would like to retire but when I’m on one of those staycations I get restless and bored. And my job isn’t much fun! They would have to drag me away from getting paid to do something I love, and I’m going to assume Posey loves playing baseball. As for Reed’s comments, Corey Seager’s injury was a fluke injury, he’s completely healthy now and Story wasn’t completely healthy this year either, and I still think they’re preferable to Crawford. That being said, bringing Craw back at a reasonable price gives them the ability to spend elsewhere so hopefully it works out for the best.
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Post by reedonly on Sept 3, 2021 10:10:58 GMT -5
I think Seager will probably end up re-signing with the Dodgers anyway but for some reason a lot of their fans really want to run him out of town. Maybe it is because he is not quite as good as Trea Turner but have similar skills. The thing with Seager and Story is that they will want more years than the Giants gave Crawford so I can see why Farhan went with Crawford.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 3, 2021 10:30:11 GMT -5
Why would we want Seager anyway? He's as injury prone as it gets. I don't know why so many Giants fans shit on our players and blow sunshine up other players asses. Brandon Crawford started the All-Star game, and has been the one of the best if not the best shortstop in the NL this year. Clutch hits, great plays, the guy's been our MVP this year. Then he cools off for a few weeks and our posters come out of the woodwork, shit on Brandon and hail some Dodger that's been on the DL half the season.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 3, 2021 10:39:16 GMT -5
Completely disagree with Boly that Posey will retire. Overall he’s had a great year, he’ll get in the playoffs again and he got a taste of what retirement was like in 2020 and I’m going to bet he didn’t like it one bit! I mean I’m 66 and when I’m traveling I feel like I would like to retire but when I’m on one of those staycations I get restless and bored. And my job isn’t much fun! They would have to drag me away from getting paid to do something I love, and I’m going to assume Posey loves playing baseball. As for Reed’s comments, Corey Seager’s injury was a fluke injury, he’s completely healthy now and Story wasn’t completely healthy this year either, and I still think they’re preferable to Crawford. That being said, bringing Craw back at a reasonable price gives them the ability to spend elsewhere so hopefully it works out for the best.
1-Though he started the season off so strongly, he's finishing it on a downward trend. Even his RBI single yesterday was an off balance swing, albeit against a really good pitch.
2-Nagging injuries that seem to be piling up with him.
3-He sat out last year... which tells me how much he values being healthy for his family.
He's accomplished so much, been so very good, that he might be at that place where, if he can't be close to his best, he might decide to leave while on top.
Not predicting his retirement, Mark, just speculating. |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 3, 2021 10:42:09 GMT -5
Why would we want Seager anyway? He's as injury prone as it gets. I don't know why so many Giants fans shit on our players and blow sunshine up other players asses. Brandon Crawford started the All-Star game, and has been the one of the best if not the best shortstop in the NL this year. Clutch hits, great plays, the guy's been our MVP this year. Then he cools off for a few weeks and our posters come out of the woodwork, shit on Brandon and hail some Dodger that's been on the DL half the season.
And this year, I agree! He has been the best of not one of the very best, SS in baseball this year.
Every single game, it seems, he comes up with a dandy! And some of the plays he's made have just left me slack-jawed and staring!
I don't want Seager, I didn't want Lindor, nor Correa.
I like Farhan's plan from building from within.
And I STILL think Farhan will go in big for pitching this off season.
I mean, consider the hole we're in right now. Had he come up with 1 arm, things would be so different. |
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Post by reedonly on Sept 4, 2021 1:27:13 GMT -5
Crawford throwing Turner out at home was the play of the game.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 4, 2021 7:18:58 GMT -5
Crawford was terrific last night, then again Seager had four hits! Don’t get me wrong, preferring Seager is not meant as a knock on Crawford, it’s a realistic look at the future. Crawford is 34, Seager is 27. That’s a huge difference, especially at shortstop. The Giants don’t have those big 100 mph strikeout guys coming out of the bullpen, they have contact guys, and late in the game a 36 year old SS with declining range could be a big problem. If he gives us two more years like this one, it’s a no brainer, but will he? What won the game for us was that the Dodgers brain farted twice on that Crawford play and the Giants only once. Turner stepped off third, a huge mistake, yet Posey went and tagged Seager, who was already out. How can two old veterans like Buster and Turner not know the rules? But something I didn’t hear mentioned even once but was the key play of that inning, how the hell does Will Smith not take second base while Turner is in that rundown? If he does, he scores on the Taylor bloop and the Dodgers win the game. An incredible mistake there by Smith. And now the obvious question. Who’s available in the bullpen tonight? For either team? Even the pitchers who threw just an inning seemed to throw 20 pitches at least under incredible duress. And props to Farhan and Kapler who managed the roster so they didn’t run out of players and have to bat the pitcher like the Dodgers did with the go ahead run on third. One more question. Why didn’t the Dodgers use David Price instead of this pitcher who they picked up on waivers from the Twins last week? The defending world champs left first place in the hands of unknown Andrew Vasquez? Curious. Not sure my heart can take the rest of this series!
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Post by reedonly on Sept 4, 2021 8:22:15 GMT -5
Dave Robert's said Price had "arm stuff".
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 4, 2021 10:07:28 GMT -5
Crawford was terrific last night, then again Seager had four hits! Don’t get me wrong, preferring Seager is not meant as a knock on Crawford, it’s a realistic look at the future. Crawford is 34, Seager is 27. That’s a huge difference, especially at shortstop. The Giants don’t have those big 100 mph strikeout guys coming out of the bullpen, they have contact guys, and late in the game a 36 year old SS with declining range could be a big problem. If he gives us two more years like this one, it’s a no brainer, but will he? What won the game for us was that the Dodgers brain farted twice on that Crawford play and the Giants only once. Turner stepped off third, a huge mistake, yet Posey went and tagged Seager, who was already out. How can two old veterans like Buster and Turner not know the rules? But something I didn’t hear mentioned even once but was the key play of that inning, how the hell does Will Smith not take second base while Turner is in that rundown? If he does, he scores on the Taylor bloop and the Dodgers win the game. An incredible mistake there by Smith. And now the obvious question. Who’s available in the bullpen tonight? For either team? Even the pitchers who threw just an inning seemed to throw 20 pitches at least under incredible duress. And props to Farhan and Kapler who managed the roster so they didn’t run out of players and have to bat the pitcher like the Dodgers did with the go ahead run on third. One more question. Why didn’t the Dodgers use David Price instead of this pitcher who they picked up on waivers from the Twins last week? The defending world champs left first place in the hands of unknown Andrew Vasquez? Curious. Not sure my heart can take the rest of this series!
He tagged the other runner first, I believe, so I, too, was perplexed when both stepped off the bag and he tagged the other guy!
Your heart? Mine, too!
I know both teams had their relievers throw a lot of pitches... but we have 2 bullpen games coming, and LA has 2 guys who can go deep into games.
As I posted the other day, we'd have Rodgers and McGee last night... and then no one for game 2.
That was exacerbated last night for sure, with the amount of arms we ran out there.
I thought we'd win only 1 of the last 7...and that that 1 was going to be 'iffy.'
Now we've won 2...and I'm surprised. I just can't see how our bullpen games coming up can possibly go in our direction.
Oh! Wait! We'll call up Kazmir! He'll save us!  
Yeah.... right. |
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 4, 2021 10:19:56 GMT -5
Pretty good analysis of last night's game, Mark. As you said, the winner came down to who made the least amount of mistakes, neither team looked very good. I happen to think the play of the game was Kris Bryant's walk. He looked bad all game until his final at-bat where he got the count full, fouled off a few pitches and then worked the walk, which loaded the bases. That created the situation which ultimately allowed us to win the game.
As for the Crawford extension, yes, the Giants could've signed a younger shortstop, but that shortstop would want a longer deal than just a few years. We already have our shortstop of the future, I think the idea was just to have someone bridge the gap until Luciano arrives, extending Crawford made the most sense when you consider the big picture.
We should assume now Estrada fits somewhere into our infield of the future. Bryant might be signed, there's Vossler, Dubon, Will Wilson, and Arteaga who all figure to have roles in our infield moving forward, and most of them are middle infielders. I think the need for us now and in the next few seasons in the free agent market is pitching, pitching and more pitching, and that shouldn't be hindered by signing a shortstop to a massive contract when our top prospect plays the same position.
Just my opinion.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 4, 2021 17:45:41 GMT -5
What is Forest,boagie I totally agree
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 4, 2021 17:46:18 GMT -5
Should should have said worth, not Forest
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