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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 10, 2020 12:06:44 GMT -5
To me, Kapler is a walking anachronism.
Cueto goes to the mound limping, has obvious command problems, but he leaves him in...
Yesterday, a healthy, and still very effective Gausmann with no command issues taking place, is removed for a guy who the Dodgers have seen 5 times in the last bunch of games.
He says that the staff believed that Rogers could get that DP ground ball.
Why is it that, THAT analytic is okay, but the analytic that says you don't want a pitcher facing the same hitters too often...is ignored?
He can't have it both ways.
I get the analytics and the trends they show.
But at some point a manager HAS to step in and say, "no. There are humans involved and I'm not going to ignore that human element this time."
If the manager NEVER does that, why have a manager at all?
Why not simply let a computer make all the decisions?
If all that is important are sabermetrics, a manager is not needed.
Like I said in the subject of this post: I'm bewildered.
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Post by garyd4sf on Aug 10, 2020 13:13:43 GMT -5
When Rogers entered I told my wife (a Dodger fan) that she won. The guy is a one trick pony and having to face 3 batters is an eternity.
I feel for Rogers but the Giants need to use him only in situations like they used Javier Lopez, a one batter appearance (at the end of an inning).
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Bewildered
Aug 10, 2020 14:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 10, 2020 14:48:27 GMT -5
Rogers just sucks period. Funky delivery but no movement on his pitches, and even guys who havent faced him before are hitting him hard so the funky delivery doesn't throw anyone off their timing. Get rid of him.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 10, 2020 17:19:01 GMT -5
I don't agree, boagie.
I don't think he sucks at all.
He's like Tekulvie without the velocity.
But Gary's right; he needs to be situational.
However, all that said, he's pitching his fanny right back to the minors...if there was one.
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 11, 2020 10:29:17 GMT -5
What situation calls for someone to come in and give up a bunch of runs? I can't believe you had a problem with Lincecum's delivery, but think releasing the ball from your ankle is reasonable. His delivery makes it so the hitter's eyes barely have to move when tracking the flight of the ball.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 12, 2020 11:48:04 GMT -5
Hold on there, boagie, you are miss remembering what I said about Lincecum.
Let's go way back, to before Lincecum got to the Majors.
I got an email from Marc...not MarK, but MarC.
He sent me some stills and a video of Timmy pitching and, being a former pitcher, asked for my evaluation.
My response was simple: Tim's stride is TOO long, and eventually, it will cause him either arm problems, or a shortened career because of the stress it puts on the shoulder and elbow.
I had NO problem with his wind up, just his stride..
... a point I continued to belabor throughout his career.
And in the end, he DID have a shortened career and I contend that it was THAT stress that caused it.
No way to ever prove that, but it's interesting that what I said came to pass about the shortened career.
Compare him to Kershaw who's mechanics are very sound. Funky pause in the deliver, but very sound.
When MarK first saw Kershaw, he said that Timmy was much better, and for a while, he was right.
Now let's flash forward to Rodgers.
I have NO problem what-so-ever with that submarine delivery, and here are some reasons why:
1-It puts ZERO, "0" strain on the elbow or shoulder. And I mean NONE.
Softball pitchers can pitch multiple games in a week because of that lack of strain.
Now granted, a Softballer's release is even lower, but the lack of strain is the same.
2-From throwing from down below, as you have seen, it creates a breaking ball that rises as it goes away.
Look at how it broke down Correa last night. That's not the exception of a well located rising breaking ball, that's the norm.
3-The delivery is so funky, that if you only see it once-in-a-while, the hitter has trouble hitting it UNLESS you center cut the plate.
4-I KNOW 1 and 2 are true because ME, not being a hard thrower, HAD to be creative to get hitters out.
I mixed a submarine delivery into my repertoire and it made me a better pitcher.
Not only did hitters struggle with that rising curve, I had catchers struggle with it, too.
I remember in one game we lost, I had 3 or 4 strikeouts where the runner REACHED first because the catcher couldn't catch it, and had to chase it to the back stop.
Those missed strikeouts wound up costing us the game.
I understand you don't like Tyler, boagie, and I would never, EVER try to convince you otherwise.
I do, and what I've tried to do here is answer your question.
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