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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 21, 2019 11:00:25 GMT -5
Alonzo Powell is gone! That's good news.
I'm predicting some fan favorites will be put into a few coaching roles to appease some of the angry fans.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 21, 2019 13:12:59 GMT -5
Not sure why any fans would be angry, boagie.
I, for one, am glad he's gone.
We were worse with him than we were with the previous guys.
Now I'd like them to get a new pitching coach, too.
Never cared for Young.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 21, 2019 14:33:49 GMT -5
I was speaking of the fans being mad about the Kapler appointment. I dont think anyone will miss Powell.
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Post by rxmeister on Nov 23, 2019 8:14:46 GMT -5
Once again, sentimental Boagie wants fan favorites as his coaches. I want the best coaches and coaches Kapler is comfortable working with, that impress Zaidi and Harris, not coaches hired because fans like them. I don’t care how popular a coach is, nobody is buying a ticket to watch him coach.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 23, 2019 11:07:57 GMT -5
Very true, Mark, and that is why I liked that they kept Wotus.
Coaching 3b, as Flannery has frequently pointed out, is tough.
I know. I've been there.
You can make all the pre planning decisions you want, but the ball is rarely hit precisely where you planned it to be, and because of that the coach as a split second to process everything, and make a decision.
I liked almost all of the ones I saw Wotus make.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 23, 2019 11:08:16 GMT -5
Very true, Mark, and that is why I liked that they kept Wotus.
Coaching 3b, as Flannery has frequently pointed out, is tough.
I know. I've been there.
You can make all the pre planning decisions you want, but the ball is rarely hit precisely where you planned it to be, and because of that the coach as a split second to process everything, and make a decision.
I liked almost all of the ones I saw Wotus make.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 23, 2019 20:31:41 GMT -5
That would be nice if they did, because I believe players who have won Championships and can articulate to the younger kids how to prepare the same way they did is a valuable person to have in the clubhouse.
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Post by rxmeister on Nov 24, 2019 9:19:57 GMT -5
I really don’t think coaches that won championships are any different than coaches that didn’t in the way they prepare. Giants won championships on their abilities as players, not their knowledge and preparation. And having let’s say, Matt Cain as your pitching coach won’t mean anything to a young player who probably grew up as a fan of a different team. Joey Bart, for example, is from Georgia. I’d assume he grew up a Braves fan, so he’d be more impressed by Greg Maddux as a coach than Matt Cain. By the way, even though the Mets haven’t announced it yet, it looks like Hensley Muelens will be their bench coach, so congratulations to him. He might even get a shot a managing for awhile if Carlos Beltran is suspended for his role in the Astros sign stealing scandal, although I’m not sure any players are in trouble.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 24, 2019 12:52:54 GMT -5
I'd be ok with Greg Maddux as our pitching coach. I guess I just prefer coaches who had some success at the big league level, and played somewhat recently. I dont know why we keep hiring people who spent most of their career in Japan or the minors.
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Post by klaiggeb on Nov 25, 2019 11:12:12 GMT -5
boagie, I don't have the numbers and I'm too lazy to look them up, but it's been my observation that most of the really successful managers were NOT top rated players.
Walt Alston, Sparky Anderson, and Bruce Bochy are 3 that jump to the front in my memory.
I'd also throw Ralph Houck and Billy Martin and Casey Stengle into that group.
Frank Robinson...mediocre at best.
Pete Rose...not even mediocre
Mel Ott... not very good
I'm sure there are more, but that's the best I can come up with on short notice.
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Post by Islandboagie on Nov 25, 2019 11:46:27 GMT -5
That's true, Boly. A lot of good managers were scrappy ballplayers that had to work hard just to stick in the big leagues. I'm not suggesting we employ only All-Stars, I'm suggesting we employ guys who at least hung around the majors for a while.
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Post by rxmeister on Nov 26, 2019 9:04:14 GMT -5
Totally agree here. I’ve always heard superstars make terrible managers and coaches because they had all that God given talent they didn’t need to learn all the basics like less skilled players. It’s also harder for them to teach because they can’t understand why the lesser skilled players can’t do what they did. Of course there are exceptions. I guess we should be happy about Kapler because as a player he wasn’t very good!
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