In House, or Out House... pun intended

[klaiggeb]

From what I read, Zaidi is interviewing Muelins and Wotus; In House guys.

From the outhouse, meaning, outside of our house, they are speculating on 6 to 8 more.

Pluses from going in House:

1-They know the players

2-They helped coach up the guys.

3-Both guys are what Zaidi wants; a manager who can relate to the players.



Why not to go in house.

1-The players may have grown complacent with the current staff.

2-Zaidi wants his guys and wants a clean slate.

3-Zaidi wants to create a new attitude in the team.



Personally, I don't know what I'd do, but I'd lean towards cleaning the slate; which is what Randy and I wanted to do last year.


Whom ever they hire, I hope they do it quickly to give the guy a chance to evaluate and go forward.

[rxmeister]

I don’t believe Zaidi is going in house, I feel he’s just interviewing those two as a courtesy for all those years of loyal service. If Zaidi wanted a continuation of how things are, he would have tried to talk Bochy out of retiring, instead of pushing him out the door. I’ve read he likes Raul Ibanez who he worked with in LA, and Carlos Beltran, who apparently doesn’t want to manage at this time. So I guess at this point Ibanez is his top choice.

[Islandboagie]

What about Hunter Pence?

[Islandboagie]

I'd make Pence the manager in a heartbeat. Pat Burrell the hitting coach and Ryan Vogelsong the pitching coach. If nothing else, it would make one helluva fun clubhouse.

But here's another idea...

Tim Flannery?

[klaiggeb]

I never thought of Vogey as pitching coach, boagie, but THAT is one DANDY idea!

Burrell? I'm not sure of, and I don't think Flan wants to return in any capacity.

Besides, on the pregame shows he's been emphatic that he's NOT a sabermetrics guy, which, IMHO, would eliminate him from consideration by Farhan.

[sfgdood]

Flannery Boagie? That's a joke, right? Flan is too much like Boly and me to work with Fargeek.

[Islandboagie]

I wasn't claiming Zaidi would hire him, I was just giving some examples of guys that I would be interested in seeing manage or coach.

While you have already made up your mind on who Zaidi is looking for, I think it's still up in the air. The only Manager Zaidi has hired thus far was Dave Roberts, and Roberts is not a numbers guy or a puppet.

Gabe Kapler, who has also been considered as a possible candidate was a scrappy ball player throughout his career. I don't think he would be considered a numbers guy or a puppet.

The people I mentioned might not be on the top of the list of possible candidates, but I believe they're professional enough to not let differing opinions get in the way of a common goal.

Whoever is hired as our next manager will hopefully be open minded and professional enough to work with Zaidi (whether they disagree or agree on sabremetrics) in building a competitive ballclub for the future.

[sfgdood]

Roberts is definitely a stats geek puppet. That's why he can't manage in postseason

[rxmeister]

Roberts can’t manage in the post season? You know you have to win post season series before you go to the World Series, right? This year he might have lost in the first round, but that was the first time. And do you think he brought Kershaw into the game because he’s a stat geek, and a gut manager would have brought in someone else? I doubt it. Anyway, the Dodgers are keeping Roberts so it’s irrelevant. And Boagie, you’re a good man but you’re the most sentimental fan I’ve ever seen. Hunter Pence as manager? Tim Flannery? Pat Burrell? Ryan Vogelsong? What are their qualifications other then they were part of World championship Giants teams? Why not Lincecum as manager, Brian Wilson as pitching coach and Edgar Renteria as hitting coach? Same qualifications. None whatsoever.

[Islandboagie]

Mark- And Boagie, you’re a good man but you’re the most sentimental fan I’ve ever seen. Hunter Pence as manager? Tim Flannery? Pat Burrell? Ryan Vogelsong? What are their qualifications other then they were part of World championship Giants teams? Why not Lincecum as manager, Brian Wilson as pitching coach and Edgar Renteria as hitting coach? Same qualifications. None whatsoever. 

Boagie- You're right, I am sentimental about players from the Championship teams. But that doesn't mean I just threw names out there without thinking of the skills they possess which I believe would make them successful as a manager or coach.

Hunter Pence was probably the most inspiring character the Giants clubhouse has ever seen. Many players have told their stories of one on one conversations they had with Pence when they joined the Giants. His speeches are legendary in getting the team fired up. He's a born leader. I think those are fairly good reasons why he'd be a good manager.

Pat Burrell was great at working a count. His approach at the plate was second to none. He was also one of the team leaders in the clubhouse in 2010 and with the Phillies prior to that, so his presence has been known to garner respect. Plus both teams were very successful.

I believe Vogey would be a good pitching coach because he's seen many sides of the game. He experienced the pressure of being considered a top prospect, he saw disappointment and failure having to pitch in Japan, and he knows what it takes to work your way back from that and succeed. I think those are very important experiences that would help him relate to all pitchers who may be experiencing the same type of thing. He was also very serious about getting ready for his games.

Tim Flannery, I just like Flan. His baseball IQ is extremely high, and he is respected by everyone.

Funny you should mention Renteria. He was actually my first pick for hitting coach. I heard a few stories about his advice around the batting cages and how his tips to some players going through a slump helped get them out of it. I picked Burrell though because there's a language barrier with Renteria.

[klaiggeb]

I'm with boagie on Vogey as pitching coach.

Ryan had to learn to pitch at the big league level.

Had to EARN everything he ever achieved, and THOSE kinds of guys, IMHO, make the best coaches.

Which is why stars RARELY make good coaches or managers.

[holiday613]

I'd love Flannery as the manager. He shows real baseball knowledge in the post game shows and looks like a motivator and good guy. Vogey also would make a nice pitching coach because reportedly he has helped some pitchers in the past. Zaidi however has no ties to the giants past and will go totally in a different direction. Look for him to blow it up and start completely fresh. I look forward to the new faces and philosophy. Out with the old and in with the new!!!

[klaiggeb]

Oct 13, 2019 5:27:18 GMT -5 holiday613 said:

I'd love Flannery as the manager. He shows real baseball knowledge in the post game shows and looks like a motivator and good guy. Vogey also would make a nice pitching coach because reportedly he has helped some pitchers in the past. Zaidi however has no ties to the giants past and will go totally in a different direction. Look for him to blow it up and start completely fresh. I look forward to the new faces and philosophy. Out with the old and in with the new!!!

I agree with Mordy, here.

I think Zaidi is going to "Hiroshima" the coaching staff, and much of the roster, too.

If I'm him, I want a new approach, some new sets of eyes, a different way of looking at our current roster than Bochy and his boys had.

As I've said before, I was never sold on Young. I want someone better, and I think Vogey would be better.

[Islandboagie]

Usually managers have their guys. Even if they haven't managed before, they've still been around the game long enough they've formed bonds with people that they would consider for a coaching role.

Once Zaidi finds a manager, then we'll see some changes to the coaching staff. The only one I would like to see stay a coach for the Giants is Wotus, everyone else is expendable.

[sfgdood]

Vogey will never take a job as a puppet to the puppet manager of our stats geek gm