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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2019 10:23:57 GMT -5
Finally, someone else commented on Buster Posey's ineptitude at the plate; Bryan Witt.
Then again, instead of being brutally honest about how terrible he's been these last 3 years, he basically sugar coated things.
Hey, Buster has done some great, GREAT things for this team.
But to blindly ignore that he's no longer an RBI guy; that he really hasn't driven the ball in a long time; that he's NOT the hitter he once was is ludicrous.
Which makes Bochy continually hitting him 3, 4, or 5 all the more stupid.
All he needed to do was open his eyes. He didn't even need to see the reports.
But, as usual, I'm ranting.
Posey is STILL an outstanding catcher!
Period.
Still one of the best at throwing and calling a game.
But he should never, EVER hit above the 7 hole, and that includes the 2 hole.
He's got great bat control, but he runs worse than I do, and I'm 69!
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 10, 2019 16:14:08 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me Boly is why its so important to you to keep running Buster down. However true your words are, you have been against Buster from day 1. Even when he was great for us, you only talked about his imperfections
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 10, 2019 18:30:51 GMT -5
I dont think anyone believes Posey is still the hitter he once was.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2019 23:49:23 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me Boly is why its so important to you to keep running Buster down. However true your words are, you have been against Buster from day 1. Even when he was great for us, you only talked about his imperfections That is a very true statement Randy. I have never been a big Buster Posey fan, not that he lacked the talent because when he was younger he clearly could hit, but I resent it and I still resent everyone raving about his smooth swing and what a great player he was. Am I being fair? Probably not. I will admit all of the hype he got absolutely turned me off. I gave him his due what he could hit the ball out of the park. I gave him his due when he was driving the That I was never a fan is a moot point. Now, in the Twilight of his career I resent the fact that Bochy still had some in an RBI slot. Again am I being fair? No I am not. But I am being honest.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2019 23:50:36 GMT -5
What you say bogey may be true, but the fact is the fact, no one other than me was raising a fuss about his inability to hit these last three years.
That bothered me, and still does.
I guess what I was asking for it was way too much, honesty from the sports writers and from the fans. None of which I saw.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2019 23:55:13 GMT -5
Randy, be fair. Crawford has long been one of my favorite players. As was panic. But this year and last year I was on both of their cases big time.
Fair or not fair if you're a major Leaguer who is 30/31 or less and you're not injured, I am absolutely intolerant a Major Leaguers who get all that money ywho can't, don't or work hard enough to straighten out what's wrong.
And at s30, 31 years of age without a major injury there is no excuse for Crawford's lack of production at the plate nor is there an excuse for Joe's lack of production at the plate.
Agree with me or disagree with me, at least I'm consistent.
Whether I'm a fan of the player or not a fan of the player I try to be fair and React to what I see
And at least from where I sit that's what I've done.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 11, 2019 3:41:42 GMT -5
Boly- I still resent everyone raving about his smooth swing and what a great player he was.
Boagie- Do you resent the 3 World Championships too? Because without him we probably wouldn't have any. You disliked Tim Lincecum's appearance, you hated Brian Wilson's antics, you think Bochy is a bad manager, Crawford is a bum, you never liked Affeldt, Lopez or Casilla...the list goes on and on with things you despise about players who were a crucial part of winning those 3 Championships, so I hafta ask...why are you a Giants fan? I'm not trying to discredit your opinion, I'm honestly curious. We know the players you didn't like, who were some that you did like?
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 11, 2019 10:35:08 GMT -5
Boly- I still resent everyone raving about his smooth swing and what a great player he was. Boagie- Do you resent the 3 World Championships too? Because without him we probably wouldn't have any. You disliked Tim Lincecum's appearance, you hated Brian Wilson's antics, you think Bochy is a bad manager, Crawford is a bum, you never liked Affeldt, Lopez or Casilla...the list goes on and on with things you despise about players who were a crucial part of winning those 3 Championships, so I hafta ask...why are you a Giants fan? I'm not trying to discredit your opinion, I'm honestly curious. We know the players you didn't like, who were some that you did like?
All good, good questions, boagie, and I'll try to answer them.
1-Lincecum-I am a massive conservative and I believe that one shouldn't do anything to call attention to themselves.
I was a teacher, and the way Timmy always looked like a slob was a bad, bad role model for kids.
We should not be teaching our children that 'different' is better, but that's what we do.
I'm a believer in the Steve Garvey mold; be modest, and set a good example by the way you look and dress.
2-Wilson-there was no need for his antics and crap. The way he acted, once again, set a bad, no, terrible example for kids growing up.
They want to emulate their heroes, and I don't want anyone ever emulating what this jack ass did.
He was not conservative, his actions called attention to himself, and made him seem as if he thought he was better than everyone else.
He was not.
He was just a talented pitcher who showed no respect for the game, much less the youth out there watching him.
3-Bochy-I never ever said Bochy was a bad manager, so you're wrong on this one, boagie.
I always said he frustrated the living crap outta me, and it's gotten worse.
I always gave him his due for being a brilliant handler of the bullpen...until recently that is.
4 Crawford-Until this year, I never EVER said Crawford was a bum. I was the one defending him against Roger's ridiculous attacks.
In fact, think back, from day 1 I said he was the most fun SS to watch fielding ground balls that I'd seen since Ozzie Smith.
This year I've grown tired of his lack of adjustments at the plate; his weight blossoming up, unchecked.
Boagie, be fair, I never, ever called him a bum.
Don't confuse my frustration with him for lack of adjustments for anything other than that.
6-Lopez-I only got on his case when his game deteriorated. When he was in his prime, I was a big fan.
But I never criticized him for being old, just the way Bochy continued to NOT see that he was going down hill fast.
7-Affeldt simply frustrated me.
You know I played, and I simply lose my temper with pitchers who can't find the strike zone.
Affeldt drove me crazy with that nonsense.
You are a professional pitcher! Throw freaking strikes! It' shouldn't be that hard for a guy who got the the show and stayed there.
8-Casilla-His frequent inability to find the strike zone with HIS STUFF was maddening.
I appreciated, and that's the key word, appreciated everything our players did to win 3 world championships for us.
But at the same time, the 'coach' in me, the ex 'player' in me could simply not over look their short comings.
I was never good enough to make the show, and I was willing to make any and all adjustments that I needed to, to get there.
I believe in the philosophy of that old pitching coach from Baltimore; "work quickly, throw strikes, throw low strikes."
I believe in respecting the game, and jack asses like Fernando Rodney who wear their hat at a crooked angle don't do that.
I believe Brian Wilson disrespected the game with his antics.
You know the players I don't like?
Seriously?
No, you don't.
You think I dislike all of the players I criticized.
Here's the fact: I don't dislike ANY of our players.
I dislike and comment on their appearance, their antics and most of all, (as in the case of Lincecum) their absolute reluctance to change!
If that's 'hate,' so be it.
If that's overly critical, so be it.
Everyone here seems to think I hated and hate Timmy.
Nothing could be farther from the truth!
When Marc first sent me video to review prior to his being called up I said; "His mechanics are very complicated and awkward, will become a problem and will cause an early demise," or words to that effect.
And that is precisely what happened.
He could have avoided that.
But he would NOT change!
And I'm betting coaches tried to get him to make adjustments but he simply refused.
That "I know best" attitude even when they are clearly going down hill infuriates me!
If Carl Yastrzemski could change his stance, if Robin Roberts could adjust from NOT having a dominant heater, why couldn't Timmy do the same thing?
Thank you for asking the questions, boagie, I really appreciate the opportunity to respond.
Am I always fair? heck no!
Do I get too angry and intolerant too quickly?
You bet your bippy I do!
I wish I could change that. I have tried and succeeded a little, but certainly not enough.
I try to be flexible, and over the years I hope I've proven that I am.
Again, thanks for asking.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 11, 2019 14:14:40 GMT -5
If one dislikes someone's appearance and actions, it's reasonable to assume they dislike them as a person. Sorry if I mistook it as something it wasn't.
I liked Lincecum because he was a humble quiet kid. He never mouthed off about being sent to the bullpen or never let the deterioration of his career become a distraction to the team. It's fun to watch a quiet humble kid making a roided up abomination like Pujols swing at changeups in the dirt. There's something satisfying about that.
I liked Wilson because his antics were making fun of egomaniacs, his antics was just him having fun with his teammates. He dyed his beard to copy Romo's beard..it was a joke. He never let those antics become a distraction.
I liked our bullpen because I have always liked players that play their best in the biggest situations, our bullpen did exactly that.
Were all these guys perfect? No. Timmy got caught smoking weed. Brian Wilson's antics got a little too much for even me sometimes. Affeldt found the most silly ways to hurt himself. These guys had their flaws, but they're ball players. Ball players aren't the most clean cut, well mannered individuals on the planet. They get paid to throw darts and rake. They did what they had to do to get that killer instinct on the field, and I enjoyed every second of it. You should quit looking at these guys like possible dinner party guests, and enjoy what they gave us ON the field. They gave us heart, they gave us everything they had, and yes, some of them still linger on the current roster, but those players gave us their best years at the right time which culminated in 3 years where as a group we truly call them the best in baseball.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 12, 2019 10:10:38 GMT -5
If one dislikes someone's appearance and actions, it's reasonable to assume they dislike them as a person. Sorry if I mistook it as something it wasn't. I liked Lincecum because he was a humble quiet kid. He never mouthed off about being sent to the bullpen or never let the deterioration of his career become a distraction to the team. It's fun to watch a quiet humble kid making a roided up abomination like Pujols swing at changeups in the dirt. There's something satisfying about that. I liked Wilson because his antics were making fun of egomaniacs, his antics was just him having fun with his teammates. He dyed his beard to copy Romo's beard..it was a joke. He never let those antics become a distraction. I liked our bullpen because I have always liked players that play their best in the biggest situations, our bullpen did exactly that. Were all these guys perfect? No. Timmy got caught smoking weed. Brian Wilson's antics got a little too much for even me sometimes. Affeldt found the most silly ways to hurt himself. These guys had their flaws, but they're ball players. Ball players aren't the most clean cut, well mannered individuals on the planet. They get paid to throw darts and rake. They did what they had to do to get that killer instinct on the field, and I enjoyed every second of it. You should quit looking at these guys like possible dinner party guests, and enjoy what they gave us ON the field. They gave us heart, they gave us everything they had, and yes, some of them still linger on the current roster, but those players gave us their best years at the right time which culminated in 3 years where as a group we truly call them the best in baseball.
All good reasons, boagie, and thank you for understanding that I separate the person from the way they dress.
It's kind of like "Hate the sins, love the sinner," for me.
I know they all have flaws, and I'm fine with that; to a point.
Wilson crossed that line all the time.
I LOVE humble! Flat out love it!
Matt Cain comes to mind.
Bumgarner comes to mind.
Crawford, Posey and Panik come to mind.
I loved that Timmy was humble.
But for me, it almost always comes down to this: "what kind of a role model are you?"
And if you're not a good role model, I have huge, HUGE problems with that.
And you are so right; they WERE ballplayers!
We don't see a lot of that anymore.
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