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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 9, 2019 23:38:37 GMT -5
There was no reason at all to keep Abad in the game.
None.
It's not like the guys a kid who they need to get a look at for next year.
I have no idea what he was thinking or what the whole point of that lack of a move was, but it goes down in my book is galactically stupid.
Bocci got us three World Series but I will not miss stupid moves like that
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 9, 2019 23:40:35 GMT -5
And here I am pulling a Raj answering my own post.
With a 4-2 lead and a chance to be four games away from 2001 wins, Bochy earned this loss, if indeed they go on to lose, because I don't see them coming back from this
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 10, 2019 1:32:33 GMT -5
Dude the options in the bullpen are pretty slim these days after the trades and injuries. Cant really exprct a lot from this group
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 10, 2019 10:05:13 GMT -5
I thought it was Zaidi making all the decisions now, Boly? Randy and you have been calling Bochy a puppet all season, so why does he get the blame? Either way, Randy is correct, the bullpen is stretched very thin right now. Even if it wasn't stretched thin, we're out of contention, so I'd like to see other pitchers being put in high pressure situations. We need to know what we have going forward. Consider this an early spring training.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2019 10:26:59 GMT -5
I thought it was Zaidi making all the decisions now, Boly? Randy and you have been calling Bochy a puppet all season, so why does he get the blame? Either way, Randy is correct, the bullpen is stretched very thin right now. Even if it wasn't stretched thin, we're out of contention, so I'd like to see other pitchers being put in high pressure situations. We need to know what we have going forward. Consider this an early spring training.
Yes, I called Bochy a puppet but it was Randy who has continually said that Farhan was making the decisions.[
The bullpen is stretched, but he had a fresh Gustave to come in and face the right handers.
First off, he waited until it was too late to even get Gustave up and throwing.
Second, there is no reason WHAT SO EVER for Abad to face those right handers.
That was stupid beyond comprehension.
IF...IF Abad was a kid he wanted to look at under pressure, I'm all in.
But he's not.
We know what he can and can't do.
He had options, he just dicked them up.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 10, 2019 11:00:03 GMT -5
Calling someone a puppet MEANS you believe they aren't making the decisions. Either you think hes a puppet or you think he can be held responsible, can't have it both ways, Boly.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 10, 2019 15:20:00 GMT -5
Calling someone a puppet MEANS you believe they aren't making the decisions. Either you think hes a puppet or you think he can be held responsible, can't have it both ways, Boly.
That's a very good point, boagie. I should have realized that.
I take back the "puppet."
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 10, 2019 16:19:29 GMT -5
I stand by my puppwt statements, which is why I haven't criticized boch all season.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 10, 2019 18:26:45 GMT -5
Boly- Instead, he's just become a bad manager.
Boagie- I respect your opinion, but I find it hard to believe any of us are in a position to call Bruce Bochy a bad manager. He has the type of resume where things like that just can't logically be said about him, Boly. Just about every team Bochy has managed has played better than what was predicted, including this season. Yes, these last few years have been disappointing, but I dont see how any of that is Bochy's fault.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 11, 2019 10:40:46 GMT -5
Boly- Instead, he's just become a bad manager. Boagie- I respect your opinion, but I find it hard to believe any of us are in a position to call Bruce Bochy a bad manager. He has the type of resume where things like that just can't logically be said about him, Boly. Just about every team Bochy has managed has played better than what was predicted, including this season. Yes, these last few years have been disappointing, but I dont see how any of that is Bochy's fault.
However, that's the past.
Note my words please; "he's become a bad manager."
Mordy has never been a Bochy fan, but I have been in spite of all my criticisms over the years.
Very often, what he has done has confounded me; angered me; confused me.
But he was very good with his Bullpen, and very good with his pitchers over all.
What he was, IMHO, is not what he currently is, and leaving Abad in their twice, again, IMHO, supports that opinion.
and here's another confounding question; Why was Slater in their last night, and not Yaz?
Slater continues to struggle vs RHP, and Yaz is clearly the better player.
Why did he do that?
But no one asked. Not one of the writers covering the team asked.
I would have.
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 12, 2019 7:16:27 GMT -5
Managing is very overrated. If you have a really good team you look like a good manager and if your team stinks you look like a bad one. If you’re choosing between prime Brian Wilson, Sergio Romo and Santiago Casilla to bring into the game, you’ll probably do well with whatever your choice is. On the other hand, if you’re choosing between Abad, Selman and Coonrod, whoever you bring in will make you look dumb. You have to judge a manager by other standards than wins or losses. And by those standards, Bochy is a good manager. His players love him and the clubhouse is good. There’s no dissension or griping. Is he a great manager? I don’t think so. I think a great one is one who combines a real feel for the game (which Bochy has) with statistical analysis (which Bochy doesn’t have) When Bochy makes a move he’s basically winging it. Bringing in a lefty to face a lefty, putting up a right handed pinch hitter against a lefty, etc. Does he know if his hitter or the opposition hitter has reverse splits? Does he know how he hits with RISP? Does he know his history against hard throwers or off speed guys? I don’t think he knows any of those things. Hopefully the next manager will encompass all these facets, PLUS have Bochy’s way with the players.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 12, 2019 10:16:23 GMT -5
Mark, no question that Bochy doesn't have the players to even flush the toilet correctly.
But I disagree with his choices lately.
Abad was a terrible choice.
More importantly, I would not have had a problem with Sellman, Anderson, or any of the kids out there in that spot.
As you said, he doesn't have many choices.
For ME, it's all about auditioning for next year.
He puts a kind in that situation and I understand what he's doing.
Abad?
What's the point?
To me, that's bad managing.
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