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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 22, 2019 10:27:54 GMT -5
There are many ways to say it, but here's just a few that I came up with for our season:
"This is the end, my only friend, the end..." The Doors
"Turn out the lights, the party's over..." Don Meridith
The fat lady is getting ready to sing...
The guy with the trumpet is getting ready to blow taps...
Adios
And of course, the title of this thread, Auf Wiedersehen
When you can't win when you score 10 runs... Guess our "strength," really isn't a strength after all.
It was fun for a while, anyway.
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 22, 2019 10:34:08 GMT -5
With every loss it becomes more difficult to capture a wild card spot, but it's not at an end, not on August 22nd. They need Cueto to return and be the Cueto we know, and the bullpen needs to start locking it down.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 22, 2019 10:52:51 GMT -5
Boagie, I thought of all of those things, but I'm looking at the trend of the pitching staff.
1-The bullpen continues to implode and is getting worse.
*First it was Will Smith's decline beginning in that series in Milwaukee
*Watson has been stinking up the planet for over a month now.
*Fatso, Moronta, is no longer the lights out guy he was earlier in the season, AND WORSE, he's struggling with command more than ever.
*Gott's last 2 outtings have left a lot to be desired. The ball is up, and up a lot, his command is down.
*Coonrod, in spite of how hard he throws, has no clue where the ball is going! 17 ip, 10 BB
*I don't know what happened to Suarez. The decent command he had last year has gone on holiday
That just leaves Gustave as the only reliable guy in the pen.
2-After Bum and shark, our rotation is in shambles
*Rodriguez reverted to what he was when the season began, last night
*Beede...Well, I've nothing more to say about his ridiculous outtings
*Anderson, even prior to his blister, had regressed and regressed big time.
So, yeah, we're scoring runs like crazy, but we can't get anybody out!
And with 30 odd games to go...it doesn't look good.
Most of all, boagie, this post is in reference to the thread I began prior to the Cub series; I said that if we couldn't take 2 of 3, it was likely all over for us.
And here we are; with a pitching staff full of guys who, as the pressure has INCREASED, their effectiveness has DECREASED.
I just don't see an upside.
Right now, I want to see the kids play.
I've had enough of Posey, and Crawford and Belt.
Enough.
When the veterans needed to step up, they stepped back.
Not what you want from your core of veterans.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 22, 2019 19:56:26 GMT -5
Both you guys are right. The odds against the Giants are and have been long -- and since their hot streak in July, they've gotten longer pretty much week by week, and sometimes series by series or even game by game.
But you simply don't sit Posey, Crawford and Belt, even though they they've been disappointing. For one thing, they're the team leaders. But more importantly, the Giants have to hope they can bounce back some so they can be dealt for something -- even though each has a no-trade clause in his contract. They need to bounce back to get something in return or to be good enough to contribute if they stay around.
So I have a question. Today the Giants were scoreless and got only four hits against that nothing pitcher Kyle Kendricks. That came less than 24 hours after they scored 11 runs. Did they simply lose interest?
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 22, 2019 20:04:26 GMT -5
Yeah, you do sit Posey, Roger.
In an article I just read today, both Posey and Vogt have almost an identical number of at bats in the last bunch of games.
48 going into today.
Posey's ONLY value right now, is on defense.
He throws a LOT better than Vogt.
But whatever's wrong with his bat, he's turned into Choo Choo Coleman. (Yes, I'm being facetious)
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 22, 2019 21:55:14 GMT -5
The thing is that neither Buster nor Vogt is the future. Because of his contract, age, and as you say, defense, Buster is the closer of the two. With Vogt being eligible for free agency this winter, the Giants have little to gain by playing him a lot. If anything, it would simply cost them more to re-sign him, if that's even what they want to do.
Now, being a left-handed batter with a lot of catching experience (if not necessarily defensive ability), he might make a decent complement to Joey Bart. But I'm not sure Joey will be a big part of the picture before 2021.
What do the Giants have to gain by playing Buster? Trade value or a showing that they can count on him more the next two seasons than it appears now. What do they have to gain by playing Vogt? Not too much that I can see. Buster could be a bridge to Joey. I'm not sure Vogt can truly provide that. It seems to me that November 1st is the beginning of the period where teams can sign free agents from other teams. Stephen will turn 35 that day. He's nearly two and a half years older than Buster.
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