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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 17, 2019 10:13:03 GMT -5
After his first HR last night, I once again reflected upon the comment Kuip has made a number of times about Mini-Yaz.
The first time he said it, it went something like this: "You can't tell me there are 25 better players on the Baltimore roster than this."
He has said it multiple times since then, and each time it's a little difference, but after each HR I reflected again, and then again on what he said.
15 HRs...and that last one was an absolute monster up into the balcony.
Juiced ball or not, I'm glad we have him, because not only can he hit, he can also run and play defense.
As to Baltimore?
Ooops!
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 17, 2019 10:32:33 GMT -5
We should be glad that Farhan seems to have seen something in Mike that the Orioles -- and possibly other teams -- didn't.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 17, 2019 15:37:04 GMT -5
That's one of the reasons I climbed on board his bus
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 17, 2019 23:13:00 GMT -5
I don't know just what Farhan sees, but he seems to have a good eye.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 17, 2019 23:14:01 GMT -5
One thing is I believe he has built a good scouting department and trusts his scouts. He mentioned a specific scout with regard to one or more prospects the Giants traded for.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 18, 2019 4:01:18 GMT -5
I don't know just what Farhan sees, but he seems to have a good eye. Connor Joe...Michael Reid. Yeah, real good eye |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 18, 2019 10:15:18 GMT -5
Randy, that's not fair.
No one, and I mean NO ONE hits on every pick.
I find it interesting, though, that Roger referenced Farhan's "eye," and not sabermetrics.
You and I have been criticized for using our "eyes" and not numbers.
Yet the players who have come through big time for us and the Dodgers certainly did not have big time metrics.
Chris Taylor, Muncey, Yaz, Dickerson.
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 18, 2019 10:38:34 GMT -5
Randy is just stuck on repeat right now. Even good GMs make bad moves now and again, Randy knows that.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 18, 2019 10:44:56 GMT -5
Of course I know all GMa make bad moves. I'm merely reminding the Fargeek worshippers of his major gaffes
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 18, 2019 11:17:53 GMT -5
Theres nothing "major" about signing guys to a minor league deal for essentially nothing just to see what they have. Yes they were duds, but not expensive ones.
It's hard for me to take you seriously anymore, Randy. I like you, but you're being ridiculous.
You keep mentioning the little mistakes Zaidi has made and blowing it out of proportion. Then when Yaz, Dickerson, Solano, Gott or any of the players that Zaidi acquired are mentioned you are very reserved in your compliments. At best we have to pry a comment out of you.
Yaz and Dickerson have become our two best hitters. Solano regularly has multiple hits when he gets a start. Pillar is a great clutch hitter and has already amassed a highlight reel in a little more than half a season. Vogt has been a great backup catcher and pinch hitter.
Holland, Pomeranz and Melancon have been moved out to make room for our younger guys. Webb got his start last night because Zaidi cleared the way.
Zaidi had a very favorable deadline, almost everyone agrees with that. The only bad part was losing Dyson, but Jaylin Davis looks pretty good, 5 homeruns in his last two games. The Giants are going to be forced to call him up.
You wanted a rebuild, Randy, guess what? It's happening, and you're so damn salty you're missing it.
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Post by holiday613 on Aug 18, 2019 13:15:16 GMT -5
Of course I know all GMa make bad moves. I'm merely reminding the Fargeek worshippers of his major gaffes Major Gaffe??? He had 2 guys on a short leash to start the season and thats a major Gaffe? get real!!! One would have to be blind to not recognize the improvements Farhan has made with this team and doing it on the cheap too!! Just imagine what that man will do once some of the albatross contracts ( thanx sabes) come off the books...This guy is worth his weight in gold...He accelerated the building process by years with his gold mine picks...I bless the day we signed him and this is coming from one of the harshest critics of the Giants on these boards!! |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 18, 2019 13:18:41 GMT -5
I don't see and "Zaidi" love on this board, Randy.
What I see is guys, and now that includes me, who appreciate what he's done.
And what he's done is a lot.
Can you imagine ME saying that 2 months ago?
Or even a month ago?
I was right there with you, fed up and disgusted with him.
But I gave the matter a lot, and I mean a LOT of introspective consideration, looking at what he's done and did at the deadline.
I had to swing my support for him because if I didn't, I would have been one massive hypocrite.
I have a lot...and I mean a LOT of faults, but I won't be a hypocrite if I can help it.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 18, 2019 14:38:16 GMT -5
If Dubon and or Davis don't show me something special inside of a year I will continue to be skeptical.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 18, 2019 15:57:11 GMT -5
Something...
Please explain what that 'something' is, Randy.
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Post by Islandboagie on Aug 18, 2019 15:57:51 GMT -5
Can you remember the last time someone hit 5 homeruns in 2 games at any level of our system? I'd say it's something worthy of maybe dropping SOME of that skepticism.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 19, 2019 15:55:36 GMT -5
What i meant by something special, Boly, is consistent production in the show...NOT in the bus leagues.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 19, 2019 17:00:27 GMT -5
I kind of figured that's what you meant.
But that's something that would take a few years to see.
Not everyone explodes on the scene like Cody Bellinger did.
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 19, 2019 17:50:40 GMT -5
If it takes more than one year then the production better be superstar level...3 years for mediocre production isn't impressive at all in my book
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 19, 2019 17:54:08 GMT -5
I guarantee no one will remember Davis' name if he winds up being a bust in the big leagues. The 5 PCL dingers in 2 games will amount to squat
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 19, 2019 18:07:01 GMT -5
If it takes more than one year then the production better be superstar level...3 years for mediocre production isn't impressive at all in my book
A year or two might be reasonable.
Look at Mike Schmidt his first year:
In 443 at bats, 11 doubles 0 triples 18 HRs and a .196 average.
Or Tori Hunter
427 at ats 17 doubles 2 triple 9 HRs .255 average
Greg Maddox was mediocre to poor in his first year, too.
5.62 ERA
Tom Glavine. When I first watched him pitch, I put my cards on Pete Smith.
Wrong place to place your cards
Glavine's first year.
5.62 ERA
In the first years that Davis and Dubon and others join us, I'll look for steady progress.
I don't want to see another John Bowker, or Joe charbaneau
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 19, 2019 18:13:08 GMT -5
My expectation is based on everyone praising Fargeeks moves. i want to see evidence of the genius otherwise the deadline deals will cone to nothing...and nothing will also be what we wind up getting for Bum and Smith.
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Post by holiday613 on Aug 19, 2019 19:18:03 GMT -5
My expectation is based on everyone praising Fargeeks moves. i want to see evidence of the genius otherwise the deadline deals will cone to nothing...and nothing will also be what we wind up getting for Bum and Smith. For the last time, until you know what was offered for them, how can you pass judgement? Furthermore, after watching what he got for Melancon, Pomerantz and Dyson how can you not give him the benefit of the doubt? |
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Post by sfgdood on Aug 19, 2019 19:43:33 GMT -5
Once again, as i said before, something is better than nothing, which is what we'll end up with. But I believe what we were offered by Houston included Josh Rojas, already in the big leagues, if not more.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 19, 2019 19:48:55 GMT -5
Rojas would have been a nice add...if he was, as Mordy said, one of the guys offered.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 20, 2019 7:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 20, 2019 7:50:18 GMT -5
But I believe what we were offered by Houston included Josh Rojas, already in the big leagues, if not more. Rog -- But once again you're simply guessing, Randy. Your original comment was that the Giants could have gotten at least as much from the Astros as the Diamondbacks got for Greinke, which was one of the most foolish statements ever made on this board. You just don't get it, Randy, and I fear you never will. You substitute bluster for substance, and innuendo for fact. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5532/kuip-on-mini-yaz?page=1#ixzz5x93b4bvd |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 20, 2019 7:58:57 GMT -5
If it takes more than one year then the production better be superstar level. Rog -- That's an unrealistic expectation. You were expecting superstar production for two months of Madison Bumgarner? That's simply unrealistic. Why would a team that is already arguably the best in baseball trade a guy who is going to be a superstar in one year for two months of a pitcher who has faded since 2016? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5532/kuip-on-mini-yaz?page=1#ixzz5x95ljLxk |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 20, 2019 8:02:23 GMT -5
But I believe what we were offered by Houston included Josh Rojas, already in the big leagues, if not more. Rog -- I think the problem is one of logic. It was mentioned before the deadline that the Giants were interested in Rojas, who is the versatile type of player Farhan likes. Now you've taken a rumor that the Giants were interested in a guy and extrapolated that to where they were OFFERED the player. In fact, you made the outlandish statement that the Giants could have gotten at least as much for Madison as the Diamondbacks got for Greinke, even though Greinke was under team control for SEVEN times as long and was having a much better season to boot. Where is the logic? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5532/kuip-on-mini-yaz?page=1#ixzz5x96iwZyt |
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 20, 2019 9:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 20, 2019 11:54:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the research, Boly. Rojas is a guy who can play all over the diamond with 30/30 potential, although he looks to me like he would be best used as the strong side of a platoon, which is pretty much what Arizona is doing with him.
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