Zaidiots plan for Bart

[sfgdood]

New article in nbcsportsbayarea.com quotes Fargeek as wanting to find a new position for Joey B. That means Posey is going nowhere.

Thoughts? I know how Boly feels

[klaiggeb]

What? As in WT...?

He's a freaking catcher!

I have no problem letting Joey play some first base for a while, but I want him behind the plate.

His power may play better at 1B.

Less wear and tear on the legs.

[rxmeister]

“Posey is going nowhere.” Where did you have him going, Randy? He has a complete no trade clause. Thinking of sensible ways to get Bart’s bat into the lineup until Posey’s contract expires makes sense.

[Islandboagie]

By the time Bart reaches the big leagues Posey will be more of a backup catcher than anything else.

[rxmeister]

In that case the problem will be solved and we have nothing to worry about. But doesn’t it make sense to have Bart learn first and third so they can keep his bat in the lineup on rest days? Isn’t that why Buster Posey played first a lot in his prime?

[klaiggeb]

I agree, Mark.

Also, in today's game, where teams have 35 pitchers on their Major League roster, flexibility is more than a little important, it's extremely important.

heck, the way the game is going, I wouldn't be surprised to SEE 16 pitchers on the roster, some of whom also play the outfield.

(I'm being a little facetious, and also sarcastic)

[sfgdood]

The broadcast shills have said Bart needs to learn the catcher position. Is that not the case anymore?

[klaiggeb]

From everything I read about Joey the B., Randy, was that he came to the organization with pretty good, defensive tools.

Not like Buster who had to learn from the ground up, basically.

He was no where near as polished as I hear the Joey is.

[sharksrog]

The broadcast shills have said Bart needs to learn the catcher position. Is that not the case anymore?


Rog -- While catchers continue to learn over just about their entire careers, given that catching may be the most complex position on the diamond, didn't you pay attention when the Giants drafted Joey, Randy? As Boly mentioned, he was considered to have skills on both sides of the ball, and he was one of the rare catchers who called pitches in college.

As Mark brought up, why NOT have Joey learn to play first base at least, if not both corners? That way he and Buster can complement each other until Buster's contract is over and Buster either moves on or takes up more of a backup role to Joey.

Remember when we had hoped that Buster and Pablo Sandoval could complement each other by both catching and playing the infield? Unfortunately, Pablo's weight no longer allowed him to catch, but think what a great complement the two would have been. That might apply to Buster and Joey when Joey comes up next year or in 2021.

As for your team "Zaidiot," it's clever, but there is more of you in the term than Farhan.




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[rxmeister]

Randy, MLB Pipeline named Joey Bart the best defensive player in the Giants system so I’m going with them over Giants broadcasters who haven’t seen a minor league game since they were playing in them themselves.

[sharksrog]

heck, the way the game is going, I wouldn't be surprised to SEE 16 pitchers on the roster, some of whom also play the outfield.


Rog -- Just an amazing game the other night by Vince Velasquez, who threw a runner out at the plate with a 97-mph fastball and made a diving catch that was rated as having a 10% probability. That's pretty amazing for a pitcher.

As someone noted though, there is no one who catches more fly balls than pitchers, so they should be pretty good out there. I remember seeing Tim Lincecum make a diving catch in batting practice on the auxiliary field at Scottsdale.


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[sharksrog]

The Giants' announcers know a ton of baseball, and we've all learned a lot from them, but I've learned not to blindly accept what Mike Krukow in particular says. I don't believe he ever admitted Tim Lincecum threw his change up in 2007, even though I saw the first one he threw that year over a month before Tim made his major league debut. It was the slider Tim added in 2008, not the change up.

Tim did throw just his fastball and waterfall curve in the minors in 2006 after he was signed. But as Mark pointed out, it is unlikely that Mike ever saw him pitch that season.

[sfgdood]

Wow you all sure teamed up on me here. And I didn't even take a side. All I did was invite comments. Of course I read the draft day reports on Bart. In fact I was one who posted on Joey's skill at his position, particularly calling pitches. i was just wondering as we all have, when he might be ready to take Buster's place. And with Busters hitting continuing to drop badly, it is natural to believe it could happen sooner rather than later.

[klaiggeb]

Aug 7, 2019 12:54:26 GMT -5 sfgdood said:

Wow you all sure teamed up on me here. And I didn't even take a side. All I did was invite comments. Of course I read the draft day reports on Bart. In fact I was one who posted on Joey's skill at his position, particularly calling pitches. i was just wondering as we all have, when he might be ready to take Buster's place. And with Busters hitting continuing to drop badly, it is natural to believe it could happen sooner rather than later.

When Bochy goes, it'll be interesting to see what they do with Buster.

He's still very good on defense, but he's a 7th or 8th hole hitter these days.

I'd like Joey to get some at bats with us later this year to see how he's doing.

[sharksrog]

We have a direct comparison -- precisely 10 years later -- between the development of Joey and Buster.

In Buster's second season, he hit .336/.957 (excellent numbers, although not quite as good as Brandon Crawford's that year when I said that Brandon wouldn't become a great major league hitter) and was promoted to Fresno, where he hit .321/.902. Buster was then given a September call up.

In Joey's second season, he's hitting .265/.793. Joey has been a good hitter at San Jose, but he hasn't mastered High A ball yet, let alone AAA ball.

I wouldn't be opposed to bringing up Joey in September, but doing so would cause him to be placed on the 40-man roster, leaving one more player vulnerable to the Rule 5 Draft and causing one more player to be exposed to waivers if the Giants themselves draft a player in that draft. I don't think doing so is a good idea.

The Giants are said to be planning to play Joey in the Arizona Fall League (as they also did with Buster), which I believe is a better way to get him more experience at an appropriate level.

Let's not forget that Buster wasn't called up for good until May 28th of his third season. Joey appears to be behind Buster developmentally, so while my original expectation was that he would be called up in late April of next season, I'm not looking at somewhere later -- possibly by as much as a year.

I think the bigger question this winter is not whether Joey belongs on the 2020 roster from day 1, but how to deal with Brandon Belt while not knowing when Joey wlll be ready.

Putting this in perspective, 22-year-old Joey Bart hasn't hit as well this season at San Jose as 19-year-old Heliot Ramos. Putting it another way, IMO there is a reasonable chance that by the time he's the age Joey is now, Marco Luciano will already have been a major league star for a couple of years. The risk level is much higher with Marco than with Joey, who would appear to have the floor of at least a second division starting catcher, but I believe Marco's ceiling is also clearly higher. And it appears Heliot's might be as well.

I'm hoping that Joey hasn't done better than he has because he's bored. It's also true that his broken hand has likely held him back. But we also shouldn't forget that Buster missed about a week and a half at San Jose with his first professional concussion.

Thus far Joey hasn't been a disappointment, but he certainly hasn't been the quick climber Buster was a decade before.

[sharksrog]

You're right, Randy, that we did kind of gang up on you (especially me). You hadn't directly expressed an opinion, although it appeared to me to be just another jab at Farhan on your part.