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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 20, 2019 20:50:55 GMT -5
Sooner or later a loss was bound to come.
Sooner than later I expected Jeffy to do what he did today; start giving up the long ball again.
The loss doesn't concern me that much because as I said above, sooner or later the streak would end.
I also didn't and still don't expect us to score runs as we did on this road trip.
What does concern me is the number of really hard hit balls is beginning to decline.
From this series through the next 5 days we are going to see if we come back to reality or if we really do have a chance to be a playoff team.
If we come back to reality it'll make Farhan's job that much easier as he won't be so tempted to hold on to guys he should move.
And as I've said before, I'd move these 3 players in reasonable to good deals:
1-Smith
2-Dyson
3-Jeffy
A lot of clubs need bullpen help, and the Brewers could use a starer.
Heck, even Jeffy is better than some of the flotsam they're running out there.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 21, 2019 6:39:15 GMT -5
Is he though? I don’t think he is. If Jeffy has the incredible ability to make spacious Oracle look like Coors Field or that Milwaukee launching pad, imagine what he’d do if he were actually pitching in a hitter friendly ballpark? I’m afraid he’s the Giants problem and he’ll stay that way the entire length of the contract. You can move Madison and the relievers though. At this point you can probably get value for Dickerson too, but I’d like to keep him around. Vogt too would definitely have value.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 21, 2019 10:03:43 GMT -5
I just want him gone, Mark.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 22, 2019 8:46:06 GMT -5
We all do.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 22, 2019 9:59:03 GMT -5
The question is, does Bochy?
And I wonder about that.
The moniker stuck on him for years was "innings eater."
If you stink, what good does eating innings do for your team?
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Post by sfgdood on Jul 22, 2019 12:55:54 GMT -5
I don't believe what bochy wants matters anymore. He's a lame duck and the next manager will be a puppet with Fargeek holding the strings
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 22, 2019 17:19:21 GMT -5
I think that's already taking place, Randy.
Belt hitting 1 hole.
I can't EVER see Bochy making a move like that.
This looks like a cyber-analytics ploy initiated by Farhan
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Post by Islandboagie on Jul 23, 2019 1:06:22 GMT -5
Bochy has used Belt in the two hole for years now, moving him up to the lead off spot isn't an earth shattering change. Plus I believe he has used Belt in the lead off spot before this season. I think hes only a mainstay at the lead off spot this time because the offense got hot with him there, so why change it?
Myself, I can't really think of anyone who would be a obvious choice leading off over Belt. Clearly Belt is there because his career OBP is good, and he's not been very good at driving in runs, so somewhere at the top seems to be a viable spot for him. It doesn't take a stat geek to see that.
Dusty Baker used David Bell in the lead off spot because of his good OBP. Was Dusty a stat geek?
That said, I will probably be the last to anoint Zaidi as some sort of baseball genius as others have here, but maybe we could be realistic and admit his strategy is paying off, rather than just saying it's all dumb luck.
I dont think Zaidi is dictating to Bochy how to make up the lineups. Everything I've heard from Zaidi seems to sound like he has a great deal of respect for Bochy and his legacy. Show me something otherwise, something of substance, not just something you dreamt up in your head.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 23, 2019 7:19:10 GMT -5
Well said, Boagie, and I think that unlike a couple of others, you are at least open minded to new ideas. I think this board has essentially two guys resistant to change, (Boly and Randy) two guys who are part of the old guard yet possess an open mind, (you and Mordy) and two who think analytics is the only way to go. (Me and Rog) I guess Gary is the deciding vote!
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 23, 2019 10:24:00 GMT -5
No question, boagie, that Boch has used Belt 1 hole before. But never, EVER for an extended time like this year. I contend that's Zaidi's influence/demand. And just for the record, Mark, I am open to change. I've always been a Joe Panic/Glen Beckert/Jim Gilliam guy in the two hole believer. But that changed. During last year, and in the off season I posted I'd move Buster to the two hole and Belt to the one hole. For me, that's a huge change and I made the change in attitude when I saw the success that Kris Bryant had in the 2 spot. I've admitted over and over again that I am not against analytics, but I am against using them exclusively, and not at the expense of every other way of evaluating players. Why everyone seems to believe other wise about me is simply not remembering what I've posted. I don't like Change. I've said that many times. Change is evil... unless of course I want change.  |
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Post by sfgdood on Jul 23, 2019 17:10:49 GMT -5
I love the game I grew up watching and playing. What I see it developing into is infinitely less fun to watch. I see it turning into a video game controlled by stats geeks yanking on their joysticks...not by real men and leaders of men
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 15:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 15:15:32 GMT -5
I think that's already taking place, Randy. Belt hitting 1 hole. I can't EVER see Bochy making a move like that. This looks like a cyber-analytics ploy initiated by Farhan Rog -- I think what has happened is that Farhan has educated Bruce. Let's get real here; does Bruce seem like the kind of guy to be a puppet? What are the Giants going to do -- fire him? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5458/back-reality?page=1#ixzz5wQ5t4zhr |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 15:16:19 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 12, 2019 15:26:21 GMT -5
I think that's already taking place, Randy. Belt hitting 1 hole. I can't EVER see Bochy making a move like that. This looks like a cyber-analytics ploy initiated by Farhan Rog -- I think what has happened is that Farhan has educated Bruce. Let's get real here; does Bruce seem like the kind of guy to be a puppet? What are the Giants going to do -- fire him? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5458/back-reality?page=1#ixzz5wQ5t4zhr
First of all, I love my life as a caveman.
2ndly... EDUCATED him?
Educated him?
There is little Farhan could teach a baseball man like Bochy.
Introducing him to sabermetrics is one thing, living by them; dying by them; seeing and saying they are the be all and end all for baseball today?
I'm guessing Bochy would rather just urinate on his own shoes than have the game dictated to him in that manner.
And no, they can't fire him, but they can do the next best (from THEIR perspective) thing; manipulate things to FORCE him out of the game, and THAT, I believe is precisely what's happening. |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 16:30:23 GMT -5
Now that shows a bias on your part, Boly. No doubt Bruce has also educated Farhan (just as managers before him had, but Bruce also knows more than most managers), but there can be little doubt that Farhan is an expert on areas of the game that Bruce wasn't as famaliar with, given that the Giants are said to have lagged badly in analytics until Farhan came aboard.
I think Mark things more of scouting than he lets on, but to the extent that he truly believes in analytics only, he's incorrect (and Mark is very rarely incorrect). Likewise you are incorrect in that relying too heavily on scouting and not enough on analytics isn't a good thing. Or at least that is the way MLB is viewing it now.
I believe strongly in scouting, and I believe strongly in analytics. More than either though, I believe strongly in their working together.
I know of no one who believes that analytics are the "be all and end all for baseball today." Certainly I don't believe that. I'm almost shocked that you think people believe that. If they do, they aren't nearly as educated as they think they are.
As for the Giants' forcing Bruce out of the game, that hardly seems to be the case. Bruce himself has talked about Farhan's recent excitement when the Giants were actually playing not only well, but quite well. Maybe Bruce will change his mind at the end of the season and unretire, but given his health issues, the travel demands of baseball, and the likelihood that he'd like to spend more time with his wife and work more at his own pace, I suspect he's looking forward to working in a consulting role, basically getting paid for his experience.
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