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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 20, 2019 17:46:14 GMT -5
Get ready to rip me a new one, boagie, because this is going to be one more in a long list of rants and complaints that I have about Posey at the plate.
Thursday night he was down right embarrassing at the plate.
I don't know any other way to say it.
Embarrassing!
He looked over matched, out of sorts, off balance... pick the description, it applies.
Thing is, since that grand slam in Milwaukee, the large majority of his at bats he's looked awful.
Today was just one more in that long, long list.
To make matters worse, and to give you all more fuel to hammer me, he "Lazy-Bennied" a curve ball in the dirt from Jeffy.
I've been a big backer of his defense, but that...that was awful.
I don't know what his problem at the plate is, but I don't care.
He's a professed "guess" hitter, and he's flat out been guessing wrong a LOT.
In 266 at bats, he's got 28 stinking RBIS...twenty-freaking eight!
That's ridiculous!
Vogt has 18 in only 121 at bats!
So go on, ya'all, defend his offense all you want.
The evidence to me is clear.
All the praise he gets for his bat is not just over rated, it's undeserved.
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Post by Islandboagie on Jul 21, 2019 1:32:42 GMT -5
Why would I defend his offense this year? He's clearly been struggling. He's shown some life in recently, but he's obviously not the hitter he was a few years ago. And he's NEVER been the hitter you seem to think me and others have claimed he was.
I think he was a good hitter in his prime, not great. He was good at driving in runs, not great, and he had decent power, again, not great. But if you consider he plays a defensive position, and was very good defensively, throwing out runners, and calling games in many high stress situations, while also being a team leader that helped us win 3 championships... overall that makes him a great player, and definitely a player you shouldn't continue to ridicule year after year.
I'd also like to point out...he's 32 years old now, and a catcher who's caught a lot of games..not to mention he suffered a serious leg injury years ago. What is one to expect at this point in his career?
I had a pretty bad sprained ankle in high school playing basketball..I can still feel it to this day. I can only imagine how Posey feels.
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Post by rxmeister on Jul 21, 2019 6:33:30 GMT -5
Nobody is a bigger Buster Posey fan than me, but if his name wasn’t Buster Posey and he hadn’t have accomplished all the things he’s done, he would have lost his starting job to Steven Vogt already. And while I love Bochy too, the reason he’ll be gone next year (you know it’s a forced retirement) is he refuses to face reality on his guys. If you are going to start him, you have to at least move him to the bottom of the lineup. The end came fast for him, but it’s here.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 21, 2019 10:03:05 GMT -5
You said a number of things I've been wanting to say for months now, Mark.
That if his name WASN'T Buster Posey, he wouldn't be playing.
And boagie, you are right; in his prime he was a very good hitter.
Now he reminds me too much of Willie Mays, MY HERO, in his later days.
Sad. Very, very sad.
Mark is right; Vogt should be doing the majority of catching, but Bochy won't do it.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 14:54:41 GMT -5
Buster is a much better defensive catcher than Stephen. Particularly with the young pitchers, that may be important.
Aside from 2012, Buster has been a good hitter, not a great one. Even in 2012, he was excellent, not great.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 14:55:04 GMT -5
But Buster has been an excellent hitter over his career FOR A CATCHER.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 12, 2019 15:21:05 GMT -5
Who in the heck cares about his career numbers, Roger?
In THIS thread, we are discussing who should be getting the majority of the time behind the plate.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 15:31:42 GMT -5
The point I was trying to emphasize is that while Buster has been a good hitter over the course of his career, his hitting has often been overrated because it is really good for a catcher, but simply good overall.
How Buster has hit over his career has SOME meaning, since it shows what he is theoretically capable of. But you are correct that it is his hitting this season that is far more important to this season.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 12, 2019 15:33:50 GMT -5
Buster's career hitting HAS meaning...but NOT in this thread;
Not in this discussion.
Not in this argument.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 19:18:31 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure what I should have said, Boly. "Aside from 2012, Buster has been a good hitter, not a great one." That seems to me to sum up Buster's hitting pretty well. I have said before that I believe Buster has been overrated as a hitter. As a hitter FOR A CATCHER, he likely hasn't been overrated, although his hitting this season hasn't been particularly good, even for a catcher. This season there are 42 catcher with 150 or at bats. Buster's .706 OPS ranks 26th among them. Twenty-two of those catchers have OPS of .750 or better. Ten of them are over .800. The Dodgers just keep coming up with really good prospects. Two of their top four prospects are catchers, and recently called up Will Smith now has a 1.106 OPS in his 67 major league at bats. I mentioned that Gavin Lux, the Dodgers' top prospect, has hit over .450 in AAA. What I didn't know until recently is that he's reached base in 43 straight games. That's exceptional! MLB.com has an article on the Giants' international prospects that I think Randy and others will enjoy. You gotta like these kids! www.mlb.com/news/marco-luciano-giants-top-international-prospect |
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 19:20:26 GMT -5
Marco has been promoted to Salem-Keizer, so perhaps you can do some scouting for us, Boagie! Alexander Canario and the Giants' first-round pick this year, Hunter Bishop, are already there. That's three pretty darn good prospects.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 12, 2019 19:27:32 GMT -5
In his first game at S-K, Marco went 1 for 4, with a double, a runs scored and an RBI. He didn't walk or strike out.
Marco ended his Arizona Rookie League career hitting .322/.438/.616/1.055, with 9 doubles, 2 triples and 10 homers in 146 at bats. His BB/K ratio was a healthy 27/39, showing nice plate control for a 17-year-old. I'm pretty sure he's still playing shortstop, although it is considered possible that he'll need to switch to third base or right field as his body fills out. His base stealing has been so-so, with 8 steals in 14 attempts.
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Post by klaiggeb on Aug 12, 2019 20:38:16 GMT -5
What you should have done is simply agree with me.
Buster's season has been terrible.
He shouldn't be hitting 3 or 4 or 5 hole.
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Post by sharksrog on Aug 13, 2019 17:40:15 GMT -5
His season has indeed been terrible. As to hitting #3, #4 or #5, I wouldn't argue against it. What I did point out is some of the things Bochy may be considering when he bats Buster there. The three things that probably come to my mind first are that Buster has been a good hitter over his career and could conceivably regain that at any time, he's hit quite well with RISP this season (and that is an important factor in batting in those spots), and the Giants -- especially with their many injuries -- don't have many other great candidates for the position.
Buster's power has really dropped off, and he no longer takes walks much either. I agree it's hard to believe he's hit as badly as he has this season. Which makes it all the more shocking how well he's hit with RISP.
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