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Post by sfgdood on May 29, 2019 20:02:06 GMT -5
Seems that before any one could cite a problem with Obama, the Repubs. were all quoted that their number one job was see to it that Obama was a one term President...there were enough problems with Trump that kept his Repub. opponents busy during the primaries...the tape of his doing what ever he wanted with women, the 2 or 3 bankrupts he filed, the 1000 court dates for shady dealings with people he owed money, the 3 wives and lots of women problems...picture some one else dumb enough to invite his mistress to the same resort that he was going to be there with his wife
Dood - guess what...everybody already KNEW this info and Hillary still lost because everybody had had it with lousy Democrat policy, horrid economy, high poverty and unemployment, losing to the ISIS JV squad and lying about Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS spying and now spying on Trump.
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Post by sfgdood on May 29, 2019 20:09:19 GMT -5
the country wants Obamacare and Trump is killing it… there has been many years of passing laws to protect workers which were killed with out a vote..... Dood - yeah it's so great that we get to keep our plans and doctors, that rates are so much lower and Illegals are not included...oh wait the exact opposite is true. What a blessing. and what basis did he railroad a new judge into the Supreme Court...Trump said he was #1 as an undergrad and #1 as a Law Grad...trouble is he was far from #1 as an undergrad and his Law school didn't rate their grads...on what basis did he name the guy...on lies or he just didn't give a hoot??? Dood - The Senate could have pressed him on that but they were too busy courting Avenatti clients to dig up dirt that had no factual backing. darn now I fell in the trap of write political crap on what is supposed to be a Giants panel... Dood - Thanks for that...very amusing
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Post by rog on May 29, 2019 22:14:22 GMT -5
We probably should get back to baseball, but I do think it's important to note that the Meuller Report specifically stated that the facts don't exonerate Trump. It is also important to note that it states that the facts don't prove he has committed a crime, and Meuller said that it wouldn't have been right to state any examples, since the President couldn't be tried for the crimes and thus couldn't have defended himself against the charges.
We know Donald is a liar, and he may also be a crook. But we also know that he is the President of the United States.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 29, 2019 22:36:01 GMT -5
What was never reported, and still isn't being reported is:
1-Initially almost all of the states took Obama care.
But that passed quickly. Within a year or so, over 1/2 of the insurance companies were so aghast at Obama care that they refused to accept it.
States followed suite, dropping Obama Care.
2-the number of doctors, thousands of them, who got out of private practice rather than be forced to accept Obama care. Many went on to become "Concierge physicians," basically running their own medical plans.
The question then, as it is now for all of the morons pushing Socialism is, 'who pays for it?"
Here's an excerpt from an article about Denmark.
It's from a school teacher who makes $61,000/year.
"We get free education. You don't have to pay for the doctor or hospital, and students get paid to learn.
"It sounds great, right?
"However, I forgot to mention that nothing is ever free...the minimum income tax in Denmark is 40%
"Also, we pay a sales tax of 25%, and on top of that, the Government applies duties and fees.
"A gallon of gasoline is around $10.00.
"Tax on a car is 180%, meaning that if that car sells for $20,000 dollars in the USA (Honda Accord), it jumps to $40,000 here in Denmark.
"Denmark is the highest-taxed nation in the World...taxed an average of 80% on every dollar earned.
"Danes have the highest personal debt in the world.
"Few will ever own a car or a house.
"Anyone who ears over $80,000 annually, pays a tax of 68%
"Denmark's suicide rate for the past 5 decades has averaged 20.8 per 10,000 people.
"In the USA, it's 11.1.
"Danes, purported to be the happiest people in the world.
"But the reality is, over 11% of the adults are on Antidepressants.
"Everyone wants the American dream.
"IN Denmark's neo-communism economy, no one will ever accomplish anything.
Yep.
And Denmark is the Ideal Socialist Country
Not quite.
So Don, you and the other liberals can say all you want about Hillary, Socialism, Occasio-Cortez, Obama, the DNC and the rest.
But the facts are the facts.
Hillary committed treason by destroying over 30,000 subpoenaed emails.
You served in the military as I did, and you KNOW what the penalty is for mis-handling Secret and top secret material.
Hillary should be in jail.
The Steele dossier was a farce, and when pressed, Steele himself said as much.
Hillary paid for it to be released unsubstantiated, and thus prejudice the "evidence" against Trump.
Rosenstein was a major contributor to her presidential bid.
Rosenstein hired Mueller!
No bias there!
These are all documented facts.
Facts.
Look them up for yourselves.
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Post by sfgdood on May 29, 2019 23:43:14 GMT -5
We probably should get back to baseball, but I do think it's important to note that the Meuller Report specifically stated that the facts don't exonerate Trump.
Dood - Actually it did and here's how. It's not the job of a prosecuter to exonerate. It is their job to bring charges or not to. When there is not sufficient evidence to show probable cause to indict, then we have something in this country called the presumption of innocence. If probable cause existed, Mueller would have said so...it doesn't, therefore we MUST presume Trump is innocent.
It is also important to note that it states that the facts don't prove he has committed a crime, and Meuller said that it wouldn't have been right to state any examples, since the President couldn't be tried for the crimes and thus couldn't have defended himself against the charges.
Dood - Ok so why conduct the investigation at all if you cannot bring charges to a sitting president? The Office of Legal Counsel reccommends that a sitting president SHOULDN'T be indicted but the Supreme Court hasn't yet chimed in on that. Regardless, nothing prevented Mueller from stating in his report that he feels that probable cause does exist and charges would have been brought if not for OLC guidelines. He didn't. Because he didn't have it...it doesn't exist. If it did, we would have been told.
We know Donald is a liar, and he may also be a crook. But we also know that he is the President of the United States.
Dood - What we know is the media has it in for Trump and they are the ones telling us he's a liar. If someone calls Trump a liar, the media is not going to call that person out because they all hate Trump. Trump has a tendency to exaggerate, that's true...but so does the media when they attack him. The media has allied itself with the Democrat Party to engage in this Russia Collusion hoax. And not even Mueller's $30 Million 2 year investigation was able to prove it. It was all a huge lie perpetrated on the American people.
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Post by rog on May 30, 2019 0:35:09 GMT -5
I wasn't sure Donald was a liar until he was asked a question right after one of the debates. He responded, "I didn't say that." I would have believed him had I not just heard it with my own ears.
I'm certainly not saying that everything about Donald is all bad. But I will say that he's an evil man. Maybe the end justifies the means.
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Post by rog on May 30, 2019 0:57:48 GMT -5
These are all documented facts. Facts. Look them up for yourselves. Rog -- Since you have seen the documentation, perhaps you could provide it for us, Boly. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh regularly. Now he says that Meuller's testimony begged Congress to impeach Trump. I listened to the testimony, and I didn't hear -- or even infer -- any of what Rush said. I wonder how Rush was when he was announcing the Kansas City Royals. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5312/ahmad-fareed?page=2#ixzz5pNubmdRA
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Post by klaiggeb on May 30, 2019 10:04:26 GMT -5
Go on line, Roger, it's all there.
Read the time line of Rosenstein and his donations to Hillary's campaign.
Read about how Comey, after reluctantly having to admit that Hillary DID have over 50,000 classified emails on her private server, REFUSED to say he was "investigating," but instead, down played it by calling it a "matter."
Read about how Rosenstein, but clear Hillary bias, hired Mueller to head the investigation.
Read about the Steele dossier, and the fact that Steele himself not only did NOT check out the facts, but later agreed the entire report was a fabrication!
Read about how Hillary FUNDED false information about Trump!
It's all there!
Barr is now going after those kicked this ridiculous investigation into motion. Hannity is right. They should be scared, each and every one of them because they DOCUMENTED what they did!
You and anyone else who chooses can pull the blankets over your collective heads and say "it didn't happen," but the evidence, documented evidence, shows other wise.
In fact, after Hillary deleted those subpoenaed emails, thousands of them were found on an OBAMA server!
Now she's caught.
Now there is a time line that shows Obama was in on the whole deal.
I've give you facts, and a lot of them.
Go and look for yourself.
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Post by rog on May 30, 2019 11:31:46 GMT -5
You and anyone else who chooses can pull the blankets over your collective heads and say "it didn't happen," but the evidence, documented evidence, shows other wise. Rog -- I'm certainly not going to pull a blanket over my head, but as you and Randy are more interested in this stuff than I, perhaps you guys can provide links to the facts. Goodness knows I've provided hundreds of links to good Giants stuff. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5312/ahmad-fareed?page=2#ixzz5pQUaUlzl
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Post by sfgdood on May 30, 2019 13:07:45 GMT -5
1. Mueller did not "testify" to anything. He was never put under oath. BTW Mueller does not want to testifuy because he has a LOT to hide.
2. It is very clear to anyone with half a brain that with his report and his statement yesterday that he wants to fuel impeachment of the president. His witch hunt came up empty and he's doing his best to undermine Trump despite the facts.
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Post by sfgdood on May 30, 2019 13:20:31 GMT -5
I wasn't sure Donald was a liar until he was asked a question right after one of the debates. He responded, "I didn't say that." I would have believed him had I not just heard it with my own ears.
Dood - "you can keep your doctor and your plan." "Benghazi was all due to a youtube video." "1% GDP growth is the new normal." "Russia is no longer a threat...the 80s want their Foreign Policy back." "ISIS is the JV team." "Obamacare will lower costs and Illegal Immigrants will not be covered." etc, etc, etc...That was all from that bastion of truth and honesty, Barack Obama.
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Post by rog on May 30, 2019 15:22:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, Randy. I was discussing Donald. I'm not sure what bearing Obama has on Donald.
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Post by sfgdood on May 30, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -5
Thought you might want to see a true liar at work
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Post by rog on May 30, 2019 20:00:05 GMT -5
Sadly, I already have.
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Post by donk33 on Jun 3, 2019 16:43:34 GMT -5
I wasn't sure Donald was a liar until he was asked a question right after one of the debates. He responded, "I didn't say that." I would have believed him had I not just heard it with my own ears. Dood - "you can keep your doctor and your plan." "Benghazi was all due to a youtube video." "1% GDP growth is the new normal." "Russia is no longer a threat...the 80s want their Foreign Policy back." "ISIS is the JV team." "Obamacare will lower costs and Illegal Immigrants will not be covered." etc, etc, etc...That was all from that bastion of truth and honesty, Barack Obama. dk..this has to be the height of something...how about the Repub. blocking everything Obama tried to pass...cleaning up the health plan, which a majority of Americans want to keep...the Benghazi incident was investigated by the Repub. and they didn't find a problem...the insurance companies blocked the full success of the Care Package and have been well rewarded by flimsy plans with little coverage and larger profits...Obama started the better employment and economic growth from the depths that Bush put them in...Russia was not a big problem until they got their lover boy in the Oval Office who loves all dictators....why no one screamed when Trumps first Soviet visitors to his office were shown Secrete documents and his cronies said it was ok as Trump had the power.. Things that have happened under Trump that you and your buddies are mum about.... he is killing healthcare for the ones that need it....he has cost the country millions as he travels all over to play golf and stay at his country clubs (something you complained about Obama and Trump has played more golf and spent more vacation time in 2 years than Obama did in eight) ....he has let gas price go up (some thing you warned us about Obama)...he has never stopped campaigning among his right wing core, travelling the country with his full federal envoys.....he can't make a speech without making it political and full of lies...he is a man stupid enough to invite his mistress to the same ski resort he was going to be at with his wife...he was going to clean the swamp but Mueller is indicting several of his buddies and his appointed cronies have come and gone and he calls them stupid as if he didn't even know them when he appointed them...
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Post by rog on Jun 3, 2019 17:22:12 GMT -5
I believe the most important political thing for this country is to get the parties working together again. If one reads this board he knows that the conservatives think the liberals are all wrong and for the most part, the feeling seems to go the other way as well. Neither side is wrong all the time, and they need to build on their agreements rather than continue to polarize themselves with their differences.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 3, 2019 17:39:34 GMT -5
Roger, the parties are more widely separated now then they've ever been.
And with a massive part of the Dems wanting Socialism, there is NO hope for them working together.
Ever.
The parties are so polarized that they have no common ground from which to discuss anything.
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Post by sfgdood on Jun 3, 2019 19:24:36 GMT -5
The main difference is conservatives believe Dems are merely wrong in their thinking. Dems go further and believe their differing view makes them morally superior (sound familiar?) and therefore they refuse to engage in a meaningful discussion on many issues. In fact, far left groups often want to shut down conservative speech altogether by giving it labels such as "hate speech."
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 3, 2019 20:44:31 GMT -5
That last part really nailed it!
hate speech is anything they don't agree with.
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Post by rog on Jun 4, 2019 0:36:21 GMT -5
Roger, the parties are more widely separated now then they've ever been. And with a massive part of the Dems wanting Socialism, there is NO hope for them working together. Ever. The parties are so polarized that they have no common ground from which to discuss anything. Rog -- Never is a long, long time, and no matter how far apart one views the two parties, IMO it is in everyone's best interest to calmly discuss and try to find whatever common ground there is, and then build on that. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5312/ahmad-fareed?page=2#ixzz5pr4JCw2p
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Post by rog on Jun 4, 2019 0:38:10 GMT -5
Dems go further and believe their differing view makes them morally superior (sound familiar?) Rog -- Now, I have to remember that I was a registered Republican for a couple of decades and never was registered as a Democrat, but I've never come across any Democrat who expressed that they felt they were morally superior. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5312/ahmad-fareed?page=2#ixzz5pr4g5z4h
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Post by sfgdood on Jun 4, 2019 0:49:02 GMT -5
I mean it seems like you have been hibernating for at least 10 years because it is pretty obvious especially in the Fake News media.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 4, 2019 9:14:43 GMT -5
Randy's right, Roger.
Listen to their supporters.
Listen to their comments any time anyone disagrees with them; they label it hate speech.
Their attitude is off the charts conceited and haughty.
Not to say that there aren't some Republicans like them, but the Democrats have cornered that market far and away.
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Post by rog on Jun 4, 2019 10:23:14 GMT -5
Guys, all I can say is that no matter how bad you think the other side is, look to find points of agreement and expand on those.
And when you're feeling all self-righteous about your beliefs, ask yourselves, how is it that so many people -- some of them smarter than we -- can belief such garbage? And then explore the garbage and find out what it is that the other smart people see.
They say the way to win a debate is to prepare the other guy's argument, so study the other guy's argument until you know it as well as you know your own. Ask yourself, what is it that I'm missing? What is it that HE's missing? Where can we get together and work together for the better good?
If you truly believe their attitude is off the charts conceited and haughty, don't forget that is likely how they see you too. Build bridges.
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Post by sfgdood on Jun 4, 2019 12:45:51 GMT -5
Most conservatives I know have no fear pitting our beliefs up against theirs anytime they wish...but most progressives will shut down any honest debate by referring to conservatives as a "denier" "fascist" "Nazi" "racist" or worse. This is why the divide is so great today. That and the news media being so blatantly biased towards their side. It's gotten to the point where the democrat politicians feel it's ok to use incindary language that would have gotten them ostracized in the past, more civilized times. They throw out the race card at will with little or no evidence backing it up, while backing or excusing reprehensible behavior by violent racist groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter. Some even condone attacking Republicans in the public square, the worst being Maxine Waters from LA. These people do not get called out by the biased news media and certainly not by their democrat colleagues in congress. How do you expect to advance civility, much less honest debate, in this way?
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Post by rog on Jun 4, 2019 20:23:15 GMT -5
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 5, 2019 10:08:55 GMT -5
You summed up perfectly how the Liberals have acted, Randy. I dont think the Liberal politicians truly believe Trump, you or I are racist, but it's a political strategy that they feel puts them in a favorable position to get (re)elected. They don't want to get along with the other side to attempt to work on making this country better. They want to energize their base so the Clinton political machine can regain power and continue using our tax dollars to fund widespread corruption throughout the universe.
Make no mistake, they're very good at what they do. They're brilliant at manipulating the weak-minded people of this country to believe giving more of their money to taxes is a good thing.
California is the perfect example. The roads are crumbling and the cities are filthy despite high taxes..has anyone asked the question - where are these tax dollars going?
I can't even go to San Francisco anymore, it's like a third world country. The police are non-existent and people are literally shitting on sidewalks. It's littered with garbage and bodily fluids and nobody cares. The last time I was there some nutjub was running around naked in a drugged frenzy and people didn't even blink. In fact, the only person who seemed to notice him other than me, was trying to get him to stop so he could give him some money.
This is what the entire country will become if the Liberals regain power. If that happens I'm packing up and leaving.
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Post by donk33 on Jun 5, 2019 13:08:46 GMT -5
You summed up perfectly how the Liberals have acted, Randy. I dont think the Liberal politicians truly believe Trump, you or I are racist, but it's a political strategy that they feel puts them in a favorable position to get (re)elected. They don't want to get along with the other side to attempt to work on making this country better. They want to energize their base so the Clinton political machine can regain power and continue using our tax dollars to fund widespread corruption throughout the universe. Make no mistake, they're very good at what they do. They're brilliant at manipulating the weak-minded people of this country to believe giving more of their money to taxes is a good thing. California is the perfect example. The roads are crumbling and the cities are filthy despite high taxes..has anyone asked the question - where are these tax dollars going? I can't even go to San Francisco anymore, it's like a third world country. The police are non-existent and people are literally shitting on sidewalks. It's littered with garbage and bodily fluids and nobody cares. The last time I was there some nutjub was running around naked in a drugged frenzy and people didn't even blink. In fact, the only person who seemed to notice him other than me, was trying to get him to stop so he could give him some money. This is what the entire country will become if the Liberals regain power. If that happens I'm packing up and leaving. dk..what a bunch of BS....the Fed. Gov. became for the first time in my memory the Pres. cut taxes when the nation is fighting all over the globe and the problems pile up at home...trillions of dollars in debt that will continue on for years...and did you enjoy your tax break...yeah,right...Trump and his buddies did...where are the jobs that are coming back to the US...the first thing Trump did was staff his country clubs with over seas labor...right, specialized rome cleaners and greens keepers that you could find in this country.....and by the way...Trump keeps warning about the Dems immigration policies and that nasty word amnesty...maybe you should look it up, Amnesty was the policy of your favorite , Ronnie Reagan....open boards...Ronnie again....green cards for seasonal workers...my oh my...again Ronnie...enjoy your so called great economy because your children and ggrand children will be paying it fore ever...but the Repubs. are trying so hard to let the Fed.Reserve cut interest ti increase inflation so the rich can keep their money off shore and pay off some of their debt...which will never happen...
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Post by klaiggeb on Jun 5, 2019 13:33:06 GMT -5
No, Don, with all due respect, you've got it wrong.
You are cherry picking your facts.
1stly, President Reagan said it was a One time thing, never to be repeated.
2ndly, in the history of this country, in...the...history...of... this...country, unemployment among minorities has never, ever been lower.
3rdly, unemployment overall, is the lowest its been in over 50 years.
4thly.
UnderObama, all of the Dems ranted and raved and campaigned to NOT allow continued illegal immigration.
Now, because it gets them votes, they're all for it?
5thly-Conservatism works, and Trump is proving it. This country has never been so prosperous. Never.
Now let's address the real issues;
1-Hillary. She is guilty of dozens of felonies for harboring, and then destroying over 30,000 classified emails.
A fact recently confirmed when they were found on an Obama server.
It is a felony, punishable by fine and imprisonment up to 20 years, according to 18 U.S. Code 1519, to destroy, conceal, cover up or falsify any record or document whether on paper or on any digital device with the intent to impede or obstruct the investigation of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States.
2-The sale of enriched uranium to Islamic activists
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4-It was HILLARY'S decision to allow all of our people in Benghazi to die. A fact that liberals continue to play down, or down right ignore.
5-The fact that the Clinton Foundation's single largest aggregate donation of some $145 million came from various parties linked to the Uranium One sale to the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatom makes this the mega-case of Russian influence and corruption.
Don, I have great, great respect for you.
But please, check your facts first.
Look at the entire picture, not just a few arbitrary points.
Please.
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Post by Islandboagie on Jun 5, 2019 22:29:47 GMT -5
dk..what a bunch of BS....the Fed. Gov. became for the first time in my memory the Pres. cut taxes when the nation is fighting all over the globe and the problems pile up at home...trillions of dollars in debt that will continue on for years...and did you enjoy your tax break...yeah,right...Trump and his buddies did...where are the jobs that are coming back to the US...the first thing Trump did was staff his country clubs with over seas labor...right, specialized rome cleaners and greens keepers that you could find in this country.....and by the way...Trump keeps warning about the Dems immigration policies and that nasty word amnesty...maybe you should look it up, Amnesty was the policy of your favorite , Ronnie Reagan....open boards...Ronnie again....green cards for seasonal workers...my oh my...again Ronnie...enjoy your so called great economy because your children and ggrand children will be paying it fore ever...but the Repubs. are trying so hard to let the Fed.Reserve cut interest ti increase inflation so the rich can keep their money off shore and pay off some of their debt...which will never happen...
Boagie- I like you, Don. But you're not in the work force anymore. You're retired, sitting on your porch living off social security. You got no skin in the game when it comes to discussing job growth or the economy. The fact is there's so many jobs available out there businesses are having trouble actually finding people to fill positions.
And I did enjoy my tax breaks. This year and last year I got the biggest tax returns I've ever gotten. My company received breaks too, which allowed me to get a substantial raise. It also allowed us to expand the business which gives me the opportunity to make more in the future. These last few years have been very good for me and the company I work for. It hasn't just been good for us, it's been good for us because the companies we work with are also expanding and spending more.
As for Amnesty, things were a tad different in the 80's. There weren't nearly the amount of illegals entering the country, and the gang violence wasn't widespread all over the nation. When Reagan gave amnesty it made sense, suggesting that now is lunacy.
Sorry, Don. I respect your opinion, but most of these things you haven't experienced for yourself in a long time.
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