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Post by klaiggeb on May 15, 2019 21:11:03 GMT -5
Kid was nervous, but no question, he's got really good stuff.
As good as Beede's stuff?
It's close, that's for sure, but if Beede can go from being a head case to a pitcher, we could very well have 4 pretty good starters in a year or so.
Rodriguez Suarez Anderson Beede
What I saw from Anderson was much better poise and command than I've seen from Beede in the 3 starts in which I've seen him.
I'd like to keep both of them with the big club and let them see what they can do with no pressure to win now.
Next year... who knows, but that's next year.
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Post by rog on May 15, 2019 23:52:21 GMT -5
Are we feeling at all better about the Eduardo Nunez trade now? Unfortunately, 19-year-old Gregory Santos is still on the injured list for Augusta.
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Post by sfgdood on May 16, 2019 1:38:42 GMT -5
If Boly is consistent, he will continue to be skeptical through Anderson's second full season in the big leagues, as he is with Rodriguez
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Post by klaiggeb on May 16, 2019 10:18:04 GMT -5
Count on it, Randy.
I've been watching the game for too many years, learned too many things from listening to former pros, to think otherwise.
I don't believe in a 'sophomore' jinx.
That's just rhetoric.
What I DO believe in is what Krukow, among many others such as Joe Morgan have said, that players with good success their first year, aren't really sure how they did it, and thus struggle in the second year.
Rodriguez is just the latest example.
But all that said, let's remember what I ALSO said about Rodriguez last year: He is the ONLY starter on the Giants, outside of Bum, who worked ALL the quadrants of hitters, and did it consistently well.
In this era of launch angle, working UP in the zone is smart! And he did it well!
I have zero doubt he'll be back, and that he'll do well.
Might not ever be a # 1 guy, but he has to possibility to be.
I like Anderson's stuff AND his demeanor.
I'm going to start calling him "Mini-Bum," because of his aggressiveness and his tenacity.
You just don't see that from many kids, and I LOVE it!
But I will be what I always am, Randy, consistent.
I would and will expect stumbles in his second season.
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Post by rog on May 16, 2019 11:57:09 GMT -5
The baseball world was skeptical of Dereck entering into his second season. There were significant signs he may have benefited a lot last season from good luck. As for Anderson yesterday, I thought he pitched decently, but not great. He was charged with three runs, two of them earned. Two of the runs he could have prevented with his own better fielding.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 16, 2019 15:16:21 GMT -5
Agree. He most certainly was not great.
What impressed me were 3 things:
1-His stuff. Not as much movement as Beede's fastball, but still impressive because it cuts.
2-His poise. UNlike Beede, with things got tough, he didn't do a mental toilet flush with himself.
3-His demeanor. As I called him before, he's Mini-Bum!
I love that in a pitcher!
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Post by sfgdood on May 16, 2019 15:25:40 GMT -5
I just don't like the fact that guys like Suarez and Rodriguez do well at the big league level but then get dumped back to the bus leagues in favor of mental midgets like Beede
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Post by klaiggeb on May 16, 2019 18:28:12 GMT -5
Not sure I agree, Randy.
Some players take longer to adjust.
Think back to Matt Williams, among others, in the mid 1980's it seemed as if he was on a continual shuttle to AAA and back.
He went back and forth, I believe, 3 or 4 times.
And he had a pretty darned good career.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 16, 2019 18:30:59 GMT -5
As to Beede...mental midget seems an appropriate moniker.
How can a guy have his stuff, have pitched as long as he has...pitched through the pressure of the College World series and the minors, had such a bad call up last year and STILL be a head case?
I just don't get it.
Hopefully Young and Herges and Posey can kick him in the fanny hard enough and frequently enough to realize he has great stuff! And he just needs to freaking pitch!
Head cases drive me crazy!
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Post by sfgdood on May 16, 2019 19:15:04 GMT -5
Mid 80s Matt Williams never produced at the big league level as Suarez and Rodriguez did last year. Those guys deserve more rope than Beede. When Williams started producing in 89 he was here to stay.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 16, 2019 20:39:50 GMT -5
Suarez was sent down because there was no place in the rotation for him.
they wanted
Bum Samardizja Rodriguez Holland Pomeranz.
Thus, his only other choice was long man from the pen...it was better for him to be sent down.
I anticipate that around mid June, we'll see Suarez back up to stay.
Thus it'll be:
Bum Jeffy Rodriguez Suarez Pomeranz or Holland
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Post by sfgdood on May 16, 2019 20:47:29 GMT -5
Why the heck are we keeping these hand me downs when the team flat out sucks? It's time to move on and give kids a chance.
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Post by Islandboagie on May 17, 2019 1:34:43 GMT -5
The difference is Williams was quite a bit younger than both Suarez and Rodriguez when he got his first taste of the big leagues. When you're 20, 21 you have some growing and adjusting to do, by 25 and 26 you should have a clue.
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Post by klaiggeb on May 17, 2019 9:56:12 GMT -5
Why the heck are we keeping these hand me downs when the team flat out sucks? It's time to move on and give kids a chance.
Randy, you know I agree with you.
I was only pointing out why Suarez didn't start the season with the big club.
They wanted him pitching everyday.
And if you read today's article by Alex Pavlovic, you saw where he laid out Farhan's ridiculous plan before the season started.
I believe that it was yesterday where I read that Bochy said that Anderson was now in the rotation.
That's a start.
I hope/pray that by mid June, we're starting to unload some players like Jeffy and others, and bringing in some youngsters.
Not likely because Farhan will wait until July
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Post by rog on May 17, 2019 12:49:35 GMT -5
I hope/pray that by mid June, we're starting to unload some players like Jeffy and others, and bringing in some youngsters. Not likely because Farhan will wait until July Rog -- Doesn't it make sense to deal the veterans when the Giants can get the most for them -- whether that be June or July or the off-season? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5300/anderson#ixzz5oCnWyd00
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Post by rog on May 17, 2019 12:50:32 GMT -5
How many here know that Andrew Suarez's ERA for the River Cats is 6.33? How many know that his WHIP is 1.70?
I didn't think so.
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Post by sfgdood on May 17, 2019 12:57:24 GMT -5
Yet another career destroyed by the Sacramento/SF express train.
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Post by rog on May 17, 2019 12:59:53 GMT -5
Six of them were unearned, but Dereck Rodriguez gave up 18 runs in his past 13 innings with the Giants. The River Cats were rained out last night and are playing a double header tonight. I suspect Dereck will start one of the two games. It may be that he has needed to work on some things.
What mechanical changes did you guys see that might have been causing him to pitch so poorly, Boly and Randy?
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Post by sfgdood on May 17, 2019 13:34:53 GMT -5
Just the Giants messing with their heads, same as with Holland.
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Post by rog on May 17, 2019 14:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on May 17, 2019 14:58:16 GMT -5
I hope/pray that by mid June, we're starting to unload some players like Jeffy and others, and bringing in some youngsters.
Not likely because Farhan will wait until July
Rog -- Doesn't it make sense to deal the veterans when the Giants can get the most for them -- whether that be June or July or the off-season?
I understand your point, but my comment is based upon what Pavlovic and Flannery and Estes said this past week; that clubs will likely NOT be waiting until the deadline to acquire key parts, and they were talking specifically about players like Bum and Smith, so they would have more than just a 1 month rental.
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Post by rog on May 18, 2019 0:17:55 GMT -5
Yet another career destroyed by the Sacramento/SF express train. Rog -- That's ridiculous, Randy. That would show absolutely no mental toughness on Suarez's part, and if he has that little mental toughness, he wasn't going to succeed anyway. Whether the majors or the minors, there are going to be tough times. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5300/anderson#ixzz5oFab3PCo
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Post by rog on May 18, 2019 0:30:11 GMT -5
clubs will likely NOT be waiting until the deadline to acquire key parts, and they were talking specifically about players like Bum and Smith, so they would have more than just a 1 month rental. Rog -- I think it makes a great deal of sense for buyers to make their trades as early as possible, in order to get as much mileage from the acquired players as possible. That said, selling teams often set their prices high early. If those prices are met, they're delighted. But if not, the tension builds for the buyers as the trade deadline gets closer and they still remain empty handed. In addition, a late injury can make a significant shift in the demand/supply relationship, in favor of the seller. Regarding the rental aspect, since there is only one deadline this year -- July 31 -- the rental is for at least two months. Plus the postseason the buying team hopes. And it is the postseason that gives Madison an edge over Keuchel. One other factor that enters into play late is that buying teams sometimes hold out hope for a weakness correcting itself, until at the very end, they have to face the music. Historically, the Giants have tended to make most of their deals late, but historically, they've usually been buyers the past couple of decades. Deciding when to pull the trigger is just one more important decision the GM has to make. GM's and their staffs know what they want, and they're constantly monitoring injuries, minor league performances, and teams that might switch from being buyers to being sellers at the last minute. I have mentioned that the closer we get to the draft, the less likely that Madison Bumgarner will be traded ahead of it. Why? Because right after the draft, a team can sign Dallas Keuchel -- close to a Madison comp, although not ready to pitch as soon -- without having to give up compensation. Teams may target Keuchel right after the draft and then make a hard charge toward Madison once Keuchel signs. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5300/anderson?page=1#ixzz5oFbFnP1L
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Post by rog on May 18, 2019 0:37:02 GMT -5
I hope/pray that by mid June, we're starting to unload some players like Jeffy and others Rog -- Jeff Samardzija is a little different situation than Madison. Jeff is under contract for an extra season beyond Madison's contract. Teams may want the extra time to further evaluate Jeff's comeback before making the extra salary investment. The team that trades for Madison at the deadline is taking only about a $4 million commitment; the team that trades for Jeff takes on about $20 million more. Jeff's injury last season was more serious than Madison's, so teams will naturally be cautious. In addition, of course, Jeff hasn't enjoyed the same level of career success as Madison, particularly in the postseason. I've mentioned this before, but I believe it bears mentioning again. I suspect as the trade deadline grows nearer, we'll be reading about it. If I were Madison, I wouldn't block being traded to ANY teams -- unless I was planning to re-sign with the Giants. If Madison is traded, he won't be subject to a qualifying offer and thus will be in position to command a higher and potentially longer contract. And of course if Madison plans to re-sign with the Giants and is a true lifetime Giant in his heart, he might waive the no-trade anyway, allow the Giants to get prospects for him, then rejoin those prospects during the winter. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5300/anderson?page=1#ixzz5oFeBKAG4
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Post by sfgdood on May 18, 2019 0:48:41 GMT -5
Rog -- That's ridiculous, Randy. That would show absolutely no mental toughness on Suarez's part, and if he has that little mental toughness, he wasn't going to succeed anyway. Whether the majors or the minors, there are going to be tough times.
Dood - by that standard, Fargeek needs to be shitcanned immediately
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Post by rog on May 18, 2019 1:05:34 GMT -5
Randy, try as I might, I have no idea what you meant in your last statement. That there are going to be tough times in virtually every situation means that Farhan should be fired with four and a half years remaining on his contract? That seems quite illogical.
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Post by sfgdood on May 18, 2019 3:59:43 GMT -5
Suarez is a failure in your mind...I see Fargeek as an even bigger failure thus far. You think Suarez is done, so by that logic, Fargeek should be done too
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Post by klaiggeb on May 18, 2019 9:48:49 GMT -5
Rog -- I think it makes a great deal of sense for buyers to make their trades as early as possible, in order to get as much mileage from the acquired players as possible. That said, selling teams often set their prices high early. If those prices are met, they're delighted. But if not, the tension builds for the buyers as the trade deadline gets closer and they still remain empty handed. In addition, a late injury can make a significant shift in the demand/supply relationship, in favor of the seller.
Regarding the rental aspect, since there is only one deadline this year -- July 31 -- the rental is for at least two months. Plus the postseason the buying team hopes. And it is the postseason that gives Madison an edge over Keuchel.
Sorry, Rog, but your logic here is pointless.
Pavlovic and Flannery, and I believe Estes made the statement, and I believe their statements are backed by at least some internal knowledge.
You go ahead and disagree with them all you want.
Like I have said many times, whatever the point on the table, 99% of the time, you take the opposite perspective.
In short, you like to find fault, tear it apart and argue.
That gets old, Roger, it really does.
Ask Barbara if I'm close here.
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Post by rog on May 18, 2019 20:11:19 GMT -5
You think Suarez is done, so by that logic, Fargeek should be done too Rog -- Randy, you might want to work on your logic skills. And your fact skills. I don't think Suarez is done, and even if he were, that would have little bearing on whether Farhan should be done too. And, Randy, you keep attempting to overcome your lack of skills with these ridiculous and demeaning nicknames. It's simply childish. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/5300/anderson#ixzz5oKQuxTdS
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Post by rog on May 18, 2019 20:19:12 GMT -5
The pre-game guys may indeed have inside knowledge, so I certainly wouldn't bet against their being right on the timing. But if they don't have inside knowledge in that regard, I'm simply hoping the Giants make the right deal when it becomes available.
It is true that the SELLER can wind up empty-handed, just as can the buyer. So the seller can't have infinite patience, or he risks getting caught holding the bag while standing as the final chair becomes occupied. I trust Farhan to have pretty good judgment in that regard.
I do think that the Keuchel situation throws a bit of a monkey wrench into things until after the draft. But that doesn't totally preclude a trade prior to the draft; IMO it merely reduces the possibility.
It would be really nice if the Giants could also move Jeff Samardzija. I'd love to see a deal where the Giants truly fortify a team's pitching staff by dealing them both Madison and Jeff, as well as at least one reliever. That's not likely to happen, but I would love to see the Giants get a top prospect, and Madison alone doesn't seem likely to command that with just three-quarters of the season left on his contract.
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