Not a Puppet?

[klaiggeb]

If you read Holland's comments today on the "My Teams," app. you already know he's questioning just who in the world is pulling the strings.

And from what he said/implied, it ain't Bochy.

Which has been my point for a while now, and is, I believe, the main reason Bochy is calling it quits at the end of this season.

So, to quote Strother Martin from "Cool Hand Luke," "What we have heah... is a failya to comMUnicate..."

Bochy is old school, he is okay with some input but NOT okay with dictates coming from the front office; in this case, Mr. "Listen-to-me-'cause-I'm-so-darned-smart-and-I've-got-the-stats-to-prove-it!" Zaidi

Believe what you will, but it's MHO, that Holland has allowed the cat to leap from the proverbial bag.

[sfgdood]

It shouldnt come as a shock to those who have played for Bochy...they know how he operates and whats happening this year AINT it.

[Islandboagie]

I don't get it. Under Sabean many players were asked to fake injuries, how does this one instance with Holland prove that Bochy is some sort of a puppet? If this makes him a "puppet" then he's been a "puppet" many times before under Sabean.

I find it insulting (to Bochy and to your own intelligence) that anyone would use the term "puppet" when describing Bochy. Yes, Bochy might not voice his conflicting disagreements with upper management even if it goes against his own ideals, but you know what that makes him? A good manager.

Holland voiced his disagreements, do you think he is better for doing so? No, he looks like a crybaby now. I don't think he did it maliciously, but he shouldn't have said it regardless.

I think your guy's dislike for Zaidi has clouded your judgement. You guys are acting like the mainstream media and how they feel about Trump.

[sfgdood]

You can, as Boly said, believe what you wish Boagie...but I don't remember any Giant prior to this season, speaking up like this against either Bochy or the front office. Bochy has never had such a communication problem before with a player, so I think Holland's assumptions are probably accurate.

[Islandboagie]

You dont remember your guy Tejada speaking to the media about him being upset about Bochy telling him to bunt?

[sfgdood]

I remember Tejada complaining about of lots of things...I just don't remember one of them being Sabean usurping Bochy's authority as manager and definitely not dishonesty on the part of Bochy.

[klaiggeb]

In part, Randy, I see where boagie is coming from. Bochy has always been a man of integrity.

I just don't know what other word that appropriately describes how he's behaved/conducted business since Zaidi took over.

I really don't.

And boagie, I, like, Randy, remember Tejada's comments, and, as Randy said, I just don't remember one of them being Sabean usurping Bochy's authority as manager and definitely not dishonesty on the part of Bochy.


GM's sticking more than just their noses into what goes on, on the field, seems to be the trend these days; a trend I do NOT like.

It's what Randy and I have been railing loudly about for months...years (?) now.

Saber-geeks who THINK they know the game because they know the numbers, believing THEY are smarter than their on the field managers.

I know historically that GM's have interfered with lineups BECAUSE of the money they were paying players; (read between the lines; "If you don't play 'my' guy, I look bad for the ridiculous contract I gave him...REGARDLESS of how badly he's playing)

The game we love is slowly slipping into the toilet, and I don't see it ending any time soon.

[rog]

Saber-geeks who THINK they know the game because they know the numbers, believing THEY are smarter than their on the field managers.


Rog -- Bruce is a smart man, but there is virtually no question that Farhan is smarter. But that isn't the main point here.

The point is that stats tell us objectively what has happened. Since we're all human beings with prejudices, differences in evaluation skills and memories, we can't always say what has happened as accurately as the stats that have counted all the results.

Any manager worth his salt looks at actual results, and if he sees that they are different than his impression of them, analyzes the situation to find out why that is the case.

It's kind of like when one of your students took a test, Boly. He may have thought he knew the material pretty well, but if he scored only 60% out of 100%, he likely didn't. Not only that, but if he studies the questions he missed, he will learn his biggest areas of weakness.

Or how about a golfer who can tell a lot about his shot by how it feels off the club (or a hitter who can tell a lot by how the ball feels off the bat), but gets an even more accurate "feel" when he sees just where the ball winds up. Pitchers today are being helped a lot by receiving immediate feedback about velocity and spin rate when they throw pitches. They have an idea which pitches "feel" better out of their hand, but by having measurements immediately available, they can tell precisely how much difference certain adjustments are making.

The game we love is simply being better and better understood by its participants, by management and even by the fans.
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[sfgdood]

A Phd is obviously intelligent...but if he pits his intelligence up against someone who has spent his entire life in a specific industry or discipline, it is highly unlikely the Phd can measure up.

[rog]

A Phd is obviously intelligent...but if he pits his intelligence up against someone who has spent his entire life in a specific industry or discipline, it is highly unlikely the Phd can measure up.


Rog -- I understand your point, Randy. But that would depend on the particular individuals and the particular situation. My belief is that Bruce is easily the better manager of the two, and Farhan is easily the better general manager of the two. Each appears to be in the right spot.




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[rog]

It isn't, by the way, as if Farhan just began learning the game. He knows it from when he was a kid, and he's apparently done a good job of being employed in it for a decade.

Farhan is almost certainly far better qualified to make the Giants' general management decisions than any of us on this board.

[rog]

Just as Bruce is almost certainly better qualified to make the manager's decisions than any of us.