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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 24, 2018 11:49:23 GMT -5
Wow! did we make a big news splash or what!
Oh. Not a player.
Heaven forbid!
Our biggest off season news?
We're putting in the "Best" score board in baseball!
Yes, siree!
That's got me all fired up for the season!
  
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Post by rog on Dec 25, 2018 9:03:20 GMT -5
They've all been small, but the Giants have made at least half a dozen moves thus far. It seems unlikely that any of these moves will be as big as the one we're mentioning here, but it probably should be noted that last March Max Muncy was released by the A's. Muncy sat in limbo for exactly four weeks before being signed by the Dodgers.
Here's a guy who's valued so lowly that for four weeks he sits out there just hoping for a major league job. Then he signs with the Dodgers and hits 35 homers at a Ruthian rate -- just 395 at bats. He hits homers and walks so frequently that he posts a .973 OPS, -- 200 points higher than any Giants player.
The Giants' "best" off-season news likely isn't a scoreboard. Farhan's best low-key move of the past year was to get a guy to light up a scoreboard.
Give the guy a chance. If we're not happy -- even elated -- in five years, I'll be surprised.
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Post by rog on Dec 25, 2018 9:04:18 GMT -5
Hopefully, you were simply being tongue-in-cheek, Boly. I'm keeping score!
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 25, 2018 10:39:04 GMT -5
I am giving the guy a chance...but so far we've heard nothing about just what his plan is, nor have we seen any moves that might indicate the direction in which he is going.
Thus, with all the bupkis he's done, for me, his time is fast running out.
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Post by rog on Dec 25, 2018 12:21:23 GMT -5
I believe an open mind is in order. Better than an open mind being out of order.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 26, 2018 17:31:51 GMT -5
The Dodgers proved they were in a position to afford to be patient...I'm sure lots of teams wish they hadn't exercised patience and nabbed Muncy early. The Giants do not have that luxury. They need to strike early and often this offseason and they aren't.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 26, 2018 19:36:43 GMT -5
Well summed up, Randy. Especially the last part; "They need to strike early and often this off season and they aren't."
First we had to wait until Hell almost froze over to GET a guy inked to the job, and now that he's been on said job for more than a month, we haven't seen ANYTHING from the guy that even gives the slightest hint that he:
1-Has a plan.
2-Knows what he's doing
Zip.
Nada.
When you GET a high profile job like he now has, it is assumed you come in with a plan.
And when you actually sit down to DO the job, you EXECUTE the plan you sold to get you hired in the first place.
For example; When Sean McVay interviewed for the Ram job, he TOLD them his plan, THEN he went out and executed it.
First, he got them Wade Phillips as he promised.
Next he cut loose of dead weight by shipping out Ogletree and Robert Quinn and some others.
He made a commitment to Jarred Goff at QB. He didn't want anyone else.
Then, along with Les Snead, they went out and signed Marcus Peters, Aquib Talib, and Suh.
THAT'S a plan.
THAT'S carrying out your plan.
And best of all for Ram fans and players, MOST of his moves were made within the first 30 days or so on the job.
Let's compare that to what our guy has done.
Ummm, signed a 33 year old guy who throws with both arms.
Got a rule 5 guy or two and...
And...
And...
So far, all he's done, it seems is "talk" himself into the job.
Therefore, we have every right to be upset with him, Roger, every right.
And with the passing of each day, the rope I've given him to PROVE to EVERYONE he knows what he's doing is getting shorter and shorter.
You can be patient with him all you want.
Cut him all the slack you want, but the facts still remain; in less than 30 days or so, McVay laid the foundation from taking a team from last place, to 1st.
And in the NFL, THAT is almost unheard of.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 26, 2018 19:54:32 GMT -5
Bottom line is this...when you have a good competitive roster already, you can afford patience. When your roster has holes all over, you need to get off your ass and make moves...lots of them.
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Post by rog on Dec 26, 2018 23:22:41 GMT -5
"They need to strike early and often this off season and they aren't." Rog -- Do the Giants "need to strike early and often this offseason," or do they need to strike opportunistically and effectively, regardless of whether it is early, late or in between? I have asked which players the Giants have missed out on, and how high we would have gone for them. The only player who has been mentioned is Anibal Sanchez. Some here think 27-year-old southpaw Yusei Kikuchi would be a fine signing, and they would be more than willing to pay the suggested 6/$54 million price tag. Others here didn't know who Kikuchi was, even though MLB Trade Rumors pegged him as the #12 overall free agent, expecting him to receive over $40 million on a six-year contract. It appears to me that we're criticizing Farhan for not doing enough, when we don't even know whom we would sign or trade for, and how much we would be willing to give up. This is kind of like Randy and the Nunez trade. He knew almost nothing about what the Giants got, but he panned the deal out of ignorance. Now we're criticizing Farhan for what he hasn't done, when we haven't yet made it apparent specifically what he SHOULD be doing. We're writing criticism checks our knowledge can't cash. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news#ixzz5ar2P8tH9 |
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 27, 2018 10:32:06 GMT -5
Who should we have signed?
Roger, you ask questions that cannot be answered UNLESS you're privy to a lot of information fans don't have.
You've become a Zaidi excuse-machine.
You really have.
It's not 'who' we've passed on. Not at all.
It's the fact that the guy in the chair WITH THE KNOWLEDGE we don't have, hasn't done squat.
I'm seriously confused that you don't understand that fact.
Seriously
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 27, 2018 10:34:21 GMT -5
Also, I'm surprised you ignored my Rams example.
You always want 'facts' to back up a statement or opinion.
I gave one, and you didn't comment.
I'm now tired of talking about this.
Tired to giving my reasons for being upset with Zaidi, and I won't be answering anymore questions on the subject until he gets off his now over paid, lazy can and starts doing something positive for this club.
Randy's right.
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:37:55 GMT -5
And best of all for Ram fans and players, MOST of his moves were made within the first 30 days or so on the job. Rog -- Let's stop and think about that one. I'm not sure why, but NFL free agents tend to be signed very quickly, many on the first day they are available. In baseball, the trend has been to later and later signings. The comparison is a little bit apples and oranges. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news#ixzz5auXOc200 |
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:40:34 GMT -5
The Dodgers proved they were in a position to afford to be patient...I'm sure lots of teams wish they hadn't exercised patience and nabbed Muncy early. The Giants do not have that luxury. They need to strike early and often this offseason and they aren't. Rog -- The often part makes sense, and it is likely based on the many minor moves they've made thus far. The early isn't nearly as important as the strongly. The Giants need to strike STRONGLY and often this offseason, and they're almost halfway there already. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news?page=1#ixzz5auXtcEL0 |
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:45:28 GMT -5
When your roster has holes all over, you need to get off your ass and make moves.. Rog -- But the timing of the moves isn't nealry as important as their effectiveness. It is possible that every decision the Giants have made this offseason has been the right one. The vast majority of their decisions thus far have been not to make an offer that has been acceptable. As far as I know, they may have already MADE bad offers. But none has been accepted, so we don't know one way or the other. Which players have the Giants missed out on that you wanted, Randy, and how much would you have been willing to give to/for them? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news?page=1#ixzz5auYymuTk |
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:55:22 GMT -5
Who should we have signed? Roger, you ask questions that cannot be answered UNLESS you're privy to a lot of information fans don't have. Rog -- How is it then that I answered the question with Anibal Sanchez. I would have gone 2/$22 and possibly higher (He signed with the Nationals for 2/$19, and that included a third year option for $18 million with a $6 million buyout.) As far as I know, no one else here has mentioned a player who has signed or been traded for that they wish the Giants had acquired. I may turn out to be right or wrong with my opinion, but while I have no information other than public information, I was able to make a decision. No one else has made a decision, yet they're criticizing Farhan, who has made at least six that we know of. Isn't that being a bit hypocritical? The one guy who has gone out on a limb and said he wished the Giants had signed a player and then specified how much higher he would have gone to sign him seems to be the one guy who realizes it is the quality, not the timing, of the moves that is more important. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news?page=1#ixzz5auaXaFx4 |
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 13:58:38 GMT -5
It's the fact that the guy in the chair WITH THE KNOWLEDGE we don't have, hasn't done squat. I'm seriously confused that you don't understand that fact. Rog -- Other than the fact that he has made six minor moves -- which would seem to remove him from the "squat" category -- I understand the fact very well. I simply think you haven't given him the proper amount of time and instead have made speculated prematurely. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news?page=1#ixzz5aucbH22E |
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 27, 2018 15:49:11 GMT -5
It is sooooo NOT about what big names we have missed out on...it's the number of old broken down bums we STILL have on the roster
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 18:48:53 GMT -5
It is sooooo NOT about what big names we have missed out on...it's the number of old broken down bums we STILL have on the roster Rog -- Your logic here, Randy, is kind of like saying there are a lot of houses out there -- some fine deals and others poor ones and that it's not about not having missed out on even one good house, but in not having just jumped out there and replaced the existing house regardless of the quality and cost of the replacement. Not using sound logic is one of the primary reasons you are wrong so much. What was it that you knew about baseball that I will never learn that caused you to be so wrong about Pablo Sandoval? Like this off-season, you would have been so much happier in 2014 if the Giants had signed Pablo early. By this time four years ago you would have at least been able to point to a free agent the Giants missed out on that you wished they had signed. Pablo had already been signed by the Red Sox for over a month. You would have been wrong, of course, but at least you could have pointed to one -- which you've been unable to do this year. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4982/wow-big-off-season-news#ixzz5avlv2Oq1 |
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 27, 2018 19:37:05 GMT -5
!. I know a lot more about Real Estate than you and it couldn't be less compatible than building a baseball roster.
2. I don't believe I WAS wrong about Pablo. All I did was praise his entirety of work...and you don't KNOW that he would have done as bad here as he did in Boston.
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 20:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 20:53:18 GMT -5
I don't believe I WAS wrong about Pablo.
Rog -- Here is what you said on 11/22/14: "did you see what Russell Martin got? If he's worth that much then Pablo is worth 25 per."
As with most free agents, Martin was overpaid. But he did post 9 WAR the previous two seasons, and has posted 8 since. Pablo posted 6 WAR the two previous seasons, and has posted MINUS 2 since.
Probably Pablo wasn't worth $25 million per. At an estimated $8 million per WAR, if Russell has an equivalent season in 2019 as he's had the past four, he would just about be worth the money the Blue Jays paid. I think he'll fall a little short. Pablo has been worth about MINUS $16 million thus far, so it's possible he too will fall short of the $125 million you mentioned.
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Post by rog on Dec 27, 2018 20:54:09 GMT -5
Again, Randy, whom have the Giants missed out on, and how high would you have gone not to miss out on those guys?
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