We can argue all day long, but...

[klaiggeb]

Randy, boagie and I want to get younger, but I think we all know, that's not likely to happen.

Sabean has repeatedly said, "the Giants don't re build, we reload."

So I see this going one of 2 ways, and both start with the new GM

1-He brings in the fences and now has a real shot at signing a slugger.

We sign a big bat which now gives the line up credibility and power, assuming Belt and Posey come back healthy.

I also see them giving Mac a legit shot in LF.

They will have a choice, after getting a bat; closer or starter?

I think they'll chose closer, in this scenario, relying heavily on Bum, Suarez and Stratton, and PRAYING that Jeffy comes back whole.

I don't believe he will, but in this scenario, that's my prediction.


2-He doesn't bring in the fences, realizes we can't make trades from a position of strength, therefore he won't, so it'll be mostly the status quo next year.

Thus, nothing in the infield will change.

Nothing.

Duggar will be in CF, Mac will be given a shot in RF and Slater in LF.

That's it.


If this is the scenario chosen, and I think it will be, I predict HE'LL go out and get a top starter in Free Agency, and likely a closer.

Why?

Because he will be pretty sure, as I am pretty sure, that we can build with Rodriguez and Suaez, but we aren't going to win next year with them.


Yeah, I hear you both, boagie and Randy, that's not what you would do.

It's not what I would do, either, but THAT is what I'm predicting.

Remember what Sabean has said; Re tool, not re build.

As the title of this thread says: "We can argue all day long, but..."

What we want them to do, and what they do, are 2 different things.

So now, we just wait.

[sfgdood]

Most of the "insiders" I have seen--even those claiming until mid September that the Giants still had a chance--are now saying the team is going to get younger in the offseason...though likely not as much as we'd like to see

[klaiggeb]

I like what you're hearing better than what I'm hearing, Randy.

Let's hope.

[rxmeister]

Considering they’re bringing in a new head of operations this offseason who will supposedly have total control, I think it’s impossible to predict what the Giants will do. We’re all responding based on their past history, but we don’t know what’s going to happen. Certainly Baer will want someone who tells him he can win now rather than someone who advocates for a long rebuild. I’m a little disturbed by what I heard yesterday from the Giants, that Sabean and Bochy will help compile the list of candidates, because I feel their methods are outdated and they’ll compile a list of names of their like minded cronies. As for the fences, you do realize pulling them in helps the other team too, right? I believe the Giants hit as many homeruns as their opponents did at AT&T, but they were killed on the road. The only legitimate reason to pull the fences in would be to help sign free agents IMO. I guess considering the hiring process will take awhile, Sabean is in charge for now, so the initial moves will elderly free agents for sure.

[klaiggeb]

That's interesting, Mark, about Bochy and Sabean compiling the list of names.

Based upon the podcasts and interviews I've listened to with Baer and Sabean, I got the impression it would be ownership that made the GM decision alone.

I can't help but wonder if asking Bochy for a list was merely out of respect and kindness for his dedication.

For ME, Mark, pulling in the fences in LF and RCF would be all about being able to sign free agents who hit with power.

They've NEVER built the team I said was needed at AT&T; one based upon speed and hitters like Hunter Pence; Speed with 18-22 HR power.

They've always put together teams of not quite "thunder foots," but darned close.

Huff, Uribe, Crawford, Longo, Pablo and so forth.

That's not what plays in our park.

Of course, that being said, guys like Hunter Pence don't exactly grow in the bushes out in CF, but they 'are' out there.

McCutchen SHOULD have been one of those guys.

But when you hit .255...well, I'm not going there again.

[rog]

Sabean and Bochy may compile a list, but others might be added to it. As Mark said, we really don't know what's going to happen, but it does sound like a good opportunity to bring in change. If the new regime can ignite the support of the fans -- or at least the willingness to withhold judgment -- perhaps more changes can be in the wind that otherwise.