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Post by rxmeister on Sept 24, 2018 18:40:53 GMT -5
Someone had to take the fall for this mess and it’s Bobby. Believe it or not, the favorite to replace him according to Bob Nightengale is Ned Colletti.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 24, 2018 19:30:39 GMT -5
Outstanding!
Bobby E. NEEDED to be shown the door!
Needed to!
He was miserable!
He turned out to be exactly what I feared he be when Sabean stepped aside.
Ned Colletti?
Why?
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Post by rxmeister on Sept 24, 2018 19:49:59 GMT -5
Henry Schulman says it definitely won’t be Ned Colletti. Think Schulman is a lot more reliable than Nightengale. Larry Baer said Bochy will return next year and the new GM will report directly to him, not to Sabean.
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 25, 2018 2:36:00 GMT -5
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
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Post by rog on Sept 25, 2018 5:39:28 GMT -5
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 25, 2018 10:39:48 GMT -5
I listed to ALL OF THE PREGAME noise last night, and I agree with Flan and Estes. The Giants either HAVE their guy, or are ready to sign their guy.
But here's the thing. all the sabermetrics in the world don't mean crap IF your players don't perform.
THE most important thing Flan said was this: (and I TOTALLY agree)...Since the championship years, this group has become COMPLACENT.
THAT was the word I've been looking for all year long.
Complacent.
There was NEVER any sense of urgency from these guys.
Never!
There is ZERO excuse for Longo, McCutchen, Panik and others not hitting.
NONE.
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Post by rog on Sept 25, 2018 13:09:56 GMT -5
But here's the thing. all the sabermetrics in the world don't mean crap IF your players don't perform. Rog -- The good thing though is that sabermetrics can help us predict with player WILL perform, and they can also provide information to help a player achieve his best. An example is knowing which pitches a pitcher throws in various counts. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4831/bobby-evans-fired#ixzz5S8dOwIjm |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 25, 2018 14:30:05 GMT -5
Pence tried to switch to a lift and launch swing, and it didn't work.
And I'm sure he's not the only one.
It remains to be seen, at least by me, if sabermetrics predict ANYTHING accurately.
Too early to tell.
Much like Money Ball.
Great fad... that faded quickly.
That's what happens when geeks who've never played the game start to control the game.
People aren't numbers.
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Post by rog on Sept 26, 2018 10:11:02 GMT -5
Pence tried to switch to a lift and launch swing, and it didn't work. And I'm sure he's not the only one. Rog -- I'm sure he's not the only one either. The swing isn't for everyone, and not everyone who could benefit is successful in making the change. Instead of thinking launch angle and velocity, think of hitting the ball in the air more and hitting it harder. That's all launch angle and exit velocity are about. Launch angle and exit velocity simply allow us to guage those two factors more accurately, and the more accurate feedback can help a batter better evaluate the changes he is making. If we talked about hitting the ball in the air more and hitting it harder, most of us would say that's a very good thing for a power hitter. When we hear launch angle and exit velocity, we should think of them simply as more accurate ways to evaluate how a swing is changing hitting the ball in the air and how hard it is hit. And the angles to which most home run balls are hit are more precisely identified. Getting down to Hunter though, he twice has hit over .300, and he has above-average power -- but he's never really been a great hitter. Think of all the swinging bunts he beats out. Very poorly hit balls which don't result from good hitting. But he's fast, he hustles, he hits the ball on the ground a lot, and he often hits it softly. Those are balls where he has performed quite badly as a hitter, but is still able to dig out a hit. Let's suppose he gets a dozen extra hits a year on balls dribbled to the infield. That's 20 points on his average. Hunter is a career .280 hitter. Without those hits, he'd be only a .260 hitter. It appears that Hunter hasn't been as good a hitter as his batting average indicates. Make sense? Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4831/bobby-evans-fired#ixzz5SDcQ58lm |
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 26, 2018 11:18:30 GMT -5
Here's what most people who blindly support "launch angle" don't understand; it requires a COMPLETE swing change from what a player has always been doing.
Some can make that adjustment and be successful.
In my experience? Not everyone. Far from not everyone.
Austin Slater would be a guy that I think would benefit from it, and I hope he considers a change.
I'm flat out sick and tired of his nonsense; trying to hit EVERYTHING to the right side.
THAT is not a well rounded, complete hitter.
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Post by rog on Sept 26, 2018 11:47:16 GMT -5
Here's what most people who blindly support "launch angle" don't understand; it requires a COMPLETE swing change from what a player has always been doing. Some can make that adjustment and be successful. In my experience? Not everyone. Far from not everyone. Rog -- I don't know anyone who blindly supports launch angle. I would guess that those who support it are more thoughtful and thus less likely to blindly something than the average person is. Whom do we know who blindly supports launch angle? And how is it that we know they blindly support it? It seems that the prevailing opinion here is that anyone associated with sabermetrics is lost in the numbers and doesn't understand baseball. That is something of a blind (uninformed) opinion. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4831/bobby-evans-fired#ixzz5SE8Xtd50 |
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Post by rog on Sept 26, 2018 11:53:46 GMT -5
Austin Slater would be a guy that I think would benefit from it, and I hope he considers a change. I'm flat out sick and tired of his nonsense; trying to hit EVERYTHING to the right side. THAT is not a well rounded, complete hitter. Rog -- Indeed it isn't. And Austin would seem to be a player who would benefit from increasing his launch angle. But for the reasons you mentioned, increasing one's launch angle isn't the idea for everyone. I would encourage Austin to explore it, but I would realize that it might or might not work. And realize that changing his launch angle alone probably wouldn't result in his pulling the ball more. I think the more important factor is increasing one's exit velocity, which means hitting the ball harder. That would almost always result in improvement. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4831/bobby-evans-fired?page=1#ixzz5SE9dgrZL |
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Post by rog on Sept 26, 2018 11:54:03 GMT -5
Of course, easier said than done.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 26, 2018 13:51:39 GMT -5
And major leaguers are generally NOT known for their flexibility, or willingness to make major changes
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Post by rog on Sept 27, 2018 5:27:16 GMT -5
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 28, 2018 17:33:51 GMT -5
Considering Bobby Evans almost single-handedly destroyed our dynasty, my comment was very measured AND nice.
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