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Sept 1, 2018 19:50:01 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 1, 2018 19:50:01 GMT -5
A month back when everyone was coming out of their shoes and gushing over Alen Hanson, I cautioned everyone not to get so excited.
As Randy Winn would say, "Everybody pump the breaks."
Way back then I saw more than just a few holes in his offensive game, and this last month, IMHO, we've seen the real Alen Hanson.
Not a very good hitter.
1-Rarely a balanced swing.
2-Tries to pull everything from both sides of the plate, but he's even worse from the right.
3-Chases off speed pitches worse than young Matt Williams ever did.
4-No plan. No discipline.
5-He's not patient, won't work the count, and now that the league has figured him out, if he doesn't adjust and adjust soon, no future with any club.
If this guy played regularly, if he hit .220, he'd be lucky.
Speed doesn't mean squat if you can't get on base, and without a ton of adjustments, he's a flash in the pan.
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Hanson
Sept 1, 2018 19:50:54 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 1, 2018 19:50:54 GMT -5
And no, I don't hate Alen Hanson.
I'm just telling you what I've seen and continue to see.
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Hanson
Sept 1, 2018 23:20:04 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Sept 1, 2018 23:20:04 GMT -5
Not disputing anything you said...however, Hanson has NEVER been given a real chance to be an everyday guy. He has one bad game and Bochy deadbolts his ass to the bench for a week
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 9:31:40 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2018 9:31:40 GMT -5
I thought that over the last month, he's been given ample time to prove he's capable, Randy.
But what I've seen at the plate is not encouraging, based upon all of the things I listed above.
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 9:32:12 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2018 9:32:12 GMT -5
What is it that Randy Winn always says? When you're given the chance, you have to step up and show that you deserve more playing time.
Hanson hasn't done that.
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rog
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 10:24:44 GMT -5
Post by rog on Sept 2, 2018 10:24:44 GMT -5
In addition to the mechanical flaw Boly mentions, Alen's biggest flaws are his right-handed hitting and his defense. His defense isn't helped of course by his having to move from position to position.
In addition, Statcast sees Alen as the 3rd-luckiest hitter in the majors, with Steven Duggar being the 4th-luckiest and Austin Slater #25. On the other side of the coin, they see Joe Panik as the 10th UNluckiest and Evan Longoria the 45th unluckiest.
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 10:34:00 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Sept 2, 2018 10:34:00 GMT -5
I'm tired of stats geeks telling us who's numbers are due to luck. Just count the beans, monkeys.
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 10:49:33 GMT -5
Post by rog on Sept 2, 2018 10:49:33 GMT -5
Because of his versatility Alen has played in a lot of games, but Randy is right that he hasn't STARTED a lot consecutively. Boly is also right that Alen hasn't taken full advantage of his opportunities.
Alen played in 24 or more games in June, July and August. His OPS fell from .767 to .563 to .542 in those months. As a right-handed hitter his OPS is .465.
And remember, Statcast considers him one of the game's luckiest hitters this season. Hansen is very exciting, but I wouldn't count on him a lot.
I think Abiatal Avelino, just acquired in the Andrew McCutchen trade, has a fine chance to beat out Hansen for the middle infield utility spot in 2019. Avelino made his River Cats debut last night, going 2 for 5 with an RBI, two runs scored, and two steals.
In case you missed it earlier, Abiatal stole 54 bases in 2015. He now has 27 in 33 attempts this season.
Avelino seems to hit righties and lefties fairly equally. In AAA he hit for a .676 OPS against southpaws and .657 against righties. In AA, he OPS-ed .882 against lefties and .954 against right-handers.
I don't see Avelino as a starter, but I see him as a potentially decent utilityman. He's played very little outfield, but he has extensive experience at short and second, and a fair amount at third. I have a feeling that like Hanson, he's an exciting player.
As a little bonus, Avelino has hit 15 homers this season. He's 23 years old and has played seven seasons of organized ball and four seasons of winter ball. Last winter he hit .309 in the Dominican Winter League. The team he played for last winter? The Gigantes, of course.
Avelino is from San Pedro de Macoris in the Dominican Republic, a town which is known for its shortstops. I can't remember even one of them, but the list is long and strong.
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 10:57:13 GMT -5
Post by rog on Sept 2, 2018 10:57:13 GMT -5
I'm tired of stats geeks telling us who's numbers are due to luck. Just count the beans, monkeys.
Rog -- No need to name-call. No need to misspell words. And no need to be so ignorant.
Is Statcast perfect? Of course not. Can we learn quite a lot from it? Of course we can. If I were the Giants, I would be looking for these "unlucky" players for a trading opportunity. The only problem is that virtually all the other teams have the same information -- and much more than I have access to.
To be honest, the game has passed you by. If you want to see a way it has changed that I didn't even know, read the book "90 Percent Mental" by Giants mental coach Bob Tewksbury, a former All-Star starter who once finished #3 in the Cy Young voting.
There is so much you could learn, Randy, if you simply opened your mind. You've got a decent basic understanding of the game. You should augment it with the changes of the past decade or two. You're more or less stuck back in the nineties.
I guess you're comfortable there, but step outside your comfort zone and increase your knowledge of the game. You'll find you enjoy it even more.
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 11:00:34 GMT -5
Post by rog on Sept 2, 2018 11:00:34 GMT -5
By the way, Randy, I once taught a group of field employees a little about finance and accounting by literally counting the beans. It was something they could relate to, and a very visual experience.
The only downside is that it probably made me look like a monkey. Especially when I began eating the beans raw.
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 11:55:39 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Sept 2, 2018 11:55:39 GMT -5
Here's what I know about advanced metrics. Using them more has turned our once proud dynasty into a laughing stock
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 12:23:31 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2018 12:23:31 GMT -5
Sabean had glowing praise for Avelino, calling him THE
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Hanson
Sept 2, 2018 12:23:45 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2018 12:23:45 GMT -5
BEST SS after Crawford in the system
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Hanson
Sept 3, 2018 11:45:13 GMT -5
Post by rog on Sept 3, 2018 11:45:13 GMT -5
Here's what I know about advanced metrics. Using them more has turned our once proud dynasty into a laughing stock Rog -- You don't know that at all. Let me just go over logic with you, since apparently you slept through your high school class that covered it. (Or perhaps you simply didn't hear; or perhaps you didn't understand.) When two things coexist, there are four possibilities: . #1 causes #2 . #2 causes #1 . #1 and #2 only occur together . #1 and #2 occur together more than a random amount. . #1 and #2 occur together less than a random amount. . There is no correlation whatsoever between #1 and #2. In order for you to KNOW that using metrics has hurt the Giants, using metrics would have to cause their decline, which you can't possibily know. To make your logic worse, it is contraindicated by successful baseball teams having led the way in its usage. In other words, Randy, you don't have a clue and are talking as if you have solved a mystery. The mystery is why you didn't pay attention in high school. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4801/hanson#ixzz5Q3cTKBPa
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Hanson
Sept 3, 2018 11:52:11 GMT -5
Post by rog on Sept 3, 2018 11:52:11 GMT -5
I had no idea Avelino's fielding was that good (assuming Brian wasn't talking overall rather than just defensively). I do know that he has apparently improved his hitting, can steal a base, and is a versatile infielder.
I was thinking yesterday that his ability to play second base could possibly open up at least the possibility of trading Joe Panik. I'm a little on the fence about Joe. I think he's a better hitter than his numbers this season indicate, but I worry about his back may be affecting his fielding.
IMO he's below average defensively now. Still the fine pivot, but with subpar range.
One of the Yankees' strengths was considered to be their infield prospects. The Giants capitalized on that. Avelino may be better than I realized.
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Hanson
Sept 3, 2018 13:47:53 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 3, 2018 13:47:53 GMT -5
Again, Roger, listen to the Podcast.
He said Avelino was THE BEST SS in the system other than Crawford.
As an ex scout, and with a gruff honesty that I like when it comes to players, I respect his opinion.
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Hanson
Sept 3, 2018 14:08:54 GMT -5
Post by sfgdood on Sept 3, 2018 14:08:54 GMT -5
Hmm...didn't you recently rant hard about what a liar Brian is?
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Hanson
Sept 3, 2018 19:58:08 GMT -5
Post by klaiggeb on Sept 3, 2018 19:58:08 GMT -5
I did.
But I wasn't talking about his ability to scout and evaluate players.
THAT discussion was all about him manipulating what he didn't say.
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