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Post by rog on Sept 2, 2018 11:37:05 GMT -5
on the issue of McCutchen not wanting to be here...someone else did not want to play here at first...Willie Mays. I think maybe the fans picked up on it because he never was loved as much as Cepeda and McCovvey and the guys that didn't play in NY. Rog -- Willie was treated horribly when he first came to San Francisco. Among other things, he had a brick thrown through his window. Hard to believe, but it must have been racist. I don't remember the details now, and maybe it wasn't a racist thing, but my understanding is that Willie was buying a house in Alamo when he first came to San Francisco, and the house was pulled away. Willie was a hero in New York. We've seen video of him playing stickball with the kids. I'm sure he hated to leave. In addition to seeing Willie play about 500 games, I've read a lot about him. I think Willie had trouble adjusting to The City because of the way he was treated. I've also read that the fans considered Orlando Cepeda to be their own, whereas Willie was a New York creation. I think it was the people of the Bay Area who made it tough on Willie pretty much right away. By the way, a few years back I saw video of neighbors protesting the arrival of Curt Flood in Alamo back in the early sixties. Curt lived about a mile and a half from where Willie was said to have been looking. There are just some things that make me want to cry. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4796/joy-mudville#ixzz5PxjlPQFM
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Post by rog on Sept 2, 2018 11:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 2, 2018 11:58:58 GMT -5
I've seen video of Mays openly saying he didn't want to come to SF and he felt strongly about it. I can understand why he wasn't loved at first.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 2, 2018 12:31:19 GMT -5
Me, too.
It's well documented that Willie LOVED NY. Loved it!
And they loved him.
I came to California in 1956, at the age of 7.
But in 1958 that's when I became a huge fan of baseball.
The California we all know, and many of us dislike, is NOT the California of 1958.
No way. Not even close.
It was still a relatively unexplored frontier to those of us on the East Coast.
Coming out here was a HUGE gamble for families like mine, and for Mays... the change in life style, the change in the way he grew up/what he was used to...the change in culture must have been crushing.
Plus, the fans HAD their favorites.
They saw, as I'm sure you read and heard, that Willie was New York's star.
They had a new toy filled with new toys; Cepeda, Alou, and Pagan just to name a few.
The SF to which McCutchen came ain't the same.
McCutchen is a dedicated Christian, and as such I'm sure that coming to SF required mental adjustments he wasn't likely willing to make.
The acceptance of gays, the fanatical liberalism, the earth-first mind set...For a Christian, a dedicated Christian, those are not things that can be embraced.
You live IN the world, but you are not OF this world.
Now of course, I'm not certain that those were problems for Andrew, but I'm guessing they were important issues.
They are for me, which is why living up there would never be an option.
Heck, I want out of California!
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Post by rog on Sept 3, 2018 13:03:32 GMT -5
I'm ready to get out of the US entirely, although I doubt I ever will.
We didn't come to California until New Years day of 1962, so about six years later than you, Boly. For us, coming to California was like going to heaven.
California was really cool in my mind, and my parents told us we had a creek behind our house, and a hill as well. But most of all, we got to go out where the Giants were. If not for the Giants, we would have lived in Southern California where my dad's company was. He eventually had to work there three days a week. Rather than move south, he rented an apartment at his own expense.
The only thing that truly bothers me now is the traffic. And of course the price of houses.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 3, 2018 13:50:07 GMT -5
Back then, California WAS LIKE HEAVEN.
Hasn't been since the late 1980's, and THAT'S stretching it.
Candee and I are looking SERIOUSLY at Idaho; Boise area, with thoughts of moving around this time next year.
LOT'S of prayer and research to be done first... but that's what we're looking it.
Idaho and Colorado are the ONLY states that have weather I can tolerate.
Hate the heat.
Hate humidity WORSE!
Don't mind the rain, snow and cold... as long as we're not talking Wyoming-cold and snow.
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Post by rog on Sept 3, 2018 14:28:17 GMT -5
I have a friend whose husband and she moved near Boise in the past six months or so. They LOVE it!
And they were from Lakeport, which isn't too bad in itself.
I could easily live in Washington (once put in a backup off near Seattle) or Oregon.
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 3, 2018 14:31:54 GMT -5
You might think of some areas of California outside of the big cities. My brother lives in Auburn, which is about 30 miles east of Sacramento. He loves it...very quiet, not much traffic and not much liberal nonsense.
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Post by Islandboagie on Sept 3, 2018 19:38:05 GMT -5
My heart will always be in California, but it's turning into a shithole. That's what happens when you allow the government to become a one party system.
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 3, 2018 20:06:38 GMT -5
I'm done with California, Randy.
Boagie is right; It's turning into a S _ _ T H _ _ E!
Too liberal for my tastes, and with Gavin Newsome likely to be the next Governor, it's only going to get worse.
Too many people.
Too many cars on the road...
For me, IF I get to leave, it'll become "Former paradise abandoned."
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Post by rog on Sept 4, 2018 21:39:32 GMT -5
You might think of some areas of California outside of the big cities. My brother lives in Auburn, which is about 30 miles east of Sacramento. He loves it...very quiet, not much traffic and not much liberal nonsense. Rog -- I have looked at a few houses in Auburn and really like the city. That's where the Raiders Jim Otto retired. Next Cinco de Mayo, which is usually held around the fifth of May, a gentleman is going to have a police escort out of Auburn in one of the four 1937 Auburns left. They were made in Auburn, Indiana. And they were MADE. The owner asked me to hold the trunk, and it nearly drove he into the framework at its bottom. It was made of STEEL! I wasn't expecting that. The guy is going to start at the beautiful Auburn, California courthouse, go through each one of the 36 Auburns in the United States, and wind up in Auburn, Georgia. Quite a trip! Anyway, Randy, thank you very much for the idea. It's a little warmer than I would like, but Auburn is a neat town. Highway 49 goes into it, and so does Auburn-Folsom Road. Again, thanks for the idea, Randy. Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4796/joy-mudville?page=2#ixzz5QBmwd3iw
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Post by klaiggeb on Sept 5, 2018 9:37:28 GMT -5
It's still California.
The taxes we pay are ridiculous and getting worse.
Too many people, not enough infrastructure to handle the traffic.
Gavin Newsome will be the Governor and taxes will rise even more.
No thank you.
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Post by sfgdood on Sept 5, 2018 12:48:23 GMT -5
My point was not all of California is crowded. There are some places that are more to your liking...of course the governor will be the same and the taxes aren't much different, but the cost of living varies quite a bit the farther away from LA and the Bay Area you go.
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