sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Jul 11, 2018 19:38:58 GMT -5
Barely touching 90 on the gun...but mostly living at 88-89. Not good
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rog
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Post by rog on Jul 11, 2018 20:19:23 GMT -5
That's slightly faster than his previous game though. Still, it surely seems like there is plenty of reason to remain concerned.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 12, 2018 11:58:10 GMT -5
But you're missing one thing, Randy; the movement on his pitches!
That wasn't there in his first start.
IMHO, you're putting way too much emphasis on what the radar gun says.
Especially in Cueto's case.
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Jul 12, 2018 12:22:08 GMT -5
But the point is before the elbow troubles he was roughly 5 mph higher on average...THAT is a concern
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 12, 2018 13:56:23 GMT -5
Your radar and Krukow's seem to be different.
Everything I've read, everything I've heard, not just from Krukow but others, said Johnny was topping out at 91-92. Not that different than his last start.
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Jul 12, 2018 14:07:09 GMT -5
Topping, yes...and before his injury he was topping at 96. That was his "reach back" velocity, as Krukow puts it.
As for the majority of his fastballs, Johnny was normally at 92-93 before the injury, now he is at 88-89 most of the time.
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sfgdood
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Post by sfgdood on Jul 12, 2018 14:08:24 GMT -5
And FYI...I didn't READ those figures...I watched the games live and saw the radar myself.
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Post by klaiggeb on Jul 12, 2018 15:37:56 GMT -5
Not arguing with what you saw. I saw the 90-91, too.
But my comment was about what Johnny was prior to the injury.
92-93.
1-2 mph difference, if you can PITCH, and he can, isn't that big of a deal.
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rog
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Post by rog on Jul 12, 2018 16:04:55 GMT -5
Here are the average velocities for Johnny beginning with 2010:
2010 -- 93.2
2011 -- 93.4
2012 -- 92.7
2013 -- 92.5
2014 -- 93.1
2015 -- 92.5
2016 -- 91.5
2017 -- 91.3
2018 -- 89.7
It may differ from pitcher to pitcher, but I believe there is a velocity below which it becomes really hard to pitch well. The good news is that pitchers DO sometimes adjust.
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