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Post by rog on Dec 17, 2017 12:41:30 GMT -5
Nothing big here, but the Giants are said to have discussed Maikel Franco with the Phillies. As we discussed, the Phillies might have both a third baseman and an outfielder to offer in trade. Not that the Giants could use them.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 17, 2017 12:58:05 GMT -5
No!!!! Please, No!!!!
Not a hacker!
Just shoot me now!
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Post by rog on Dec 17, 2017 21:24:17 GMT -5
Franco has actually struck out only about once every 5.7 at bats, which is just slightly more often than Matt Duffy. For a slugger, Maikel strikes out very seldom. About half as often, for instance, as Jarrett Parker.
Maikel's problem has been neither power nor strikeouts. It has been getting hits and getting on base.
I think perhaps because is a power hitter from the Dominican Republic we ASSUMED he struck out a lot. You know, the stereotype. If we had seen a lot of Franco, we would have realized differently.
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Post by rog on Dec 17, 2017 21:28:03 GMT -5
Franco is projected to strike out about as often and hit .265 with 28 homers. Maikel isn't considered to be a good fielder, although he's way better than Pablo. He might be a good guy to bat fifth or sixth.
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Post by rog on Dec 17, 2017 21:29:34 GMT -5
Feeling any better now, Boly? Thank God we didn't follow your request and shoot you!
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 18, 2017 11:10:54 GMT -5
I've watched him play, Rog.
He's a first ball hitter that will swing at any first pitch in the same, or any other, it seems, zip code.
Clemente was a hacker, too, but just because you're a hacker doesn't mean a high strike out total.
It DOES mean less walks, less OBP, and likely, less average as they chase bad pitches and all too often, make contact.
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Post by rog on Dec 19, 2017 12:39:44 GMT -5
If you consider Nick Hundley to be a hacker, Maikel is a hacker. If you don't consider Nick to be a hacker, Maikel isn't a hacker. Looking at swinging out the zone, first pitch-strikes, how often the first pitch is put in play, etc. I was surprised how close the two were.
I've never considered Nick to be hacker. I'm curious as to how others feel.
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Post by rog on Dec 19, 2017 12:48:48 GMT -5
I haven't researched this one, but I think it makes sense that if the Giants are to pick up power without giving up a lot, they're likely going to have to accept a low-walk guy. If a power hitter draws a lot of walks, he will usually have both a high slugging percentage and a high on-base percentage, meaning he's a darn good hitter.
I think Franco will bounce back average-wise, and I think he may have more power in him as well. He hits most of his homers to left, so AT&T would likely affect his power less than most power hitters. Franco is just 25, so he would add youth.
I think the biggest problem would be his glove, which I don't think is very good.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 19, 2017 14:39:13 GMT -5
Nick isn't a hacker, not by any stretch.
Franco is.
Every time I watch him play, 8 -12 times now, He's chasing crap every where.
And down HERE, behind the blue curtain, we often get the Philly announcers.
Geez! Do they stink!
They say he's a hacker. Not in so many words, but that's what they're saying.
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Post by rog on Dec 19, 2017 15:47:46 GMT -5
Nick isn't a hacker, not by any stretch. Franco is. Every time I watch him play, 8 -12 times now, He's chasing crap every where. Rog -- Which do you think is fairer, Boly? To base an opinion on watching a guy play 8-12 times? Or by relying on the facts over a full season or career? If Franco is a hacker, so is Nick. It's amazing how close their efforts are in the pertinent areas. The Giants just re-signed the former hacker, by the way. Nick signed for 1/$2.5, which I believe was my personal upper limit on re-signing him. If I had known he was a hacker, I probably wouldn't have even wanted the Giants to re-sign him at last season's $2.0 million! Read more: sfgiantsmessageboard.proboards.com/thread/4209/maikel-franco#ixzz51k3L4t00
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Post by rxmeister on Dec 20, 2017 8:32:14 GMT -5
I like Franco, but I doubt the Phillies part with him. He has his faults, as you correctly point out, but he’s a kid on the rise with unbelievable power. I doubt they would sell low on him after he regressed a bit in 2017. Heard somewhere the price would be Shaw and Heliot Ramos which I believe is too high. Sorry to hear about the Phillies announcers being bad, I think one of them is ex Giant Gary Matthews. Makes me feel old, because back in the day they had one of the best crews anywhere with Richie Ashburn, By Saam, and the immortal Harry Kalas. If you haven’t heard Harry say “Mickey Morandini” you’re missing something.
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Post by rog on Dec 20, 2017 10:47:29 GMT -5
I was just thinking that this morning right after I got up, Mark. The Giants and Franco have been mentioned together, but unless the Phillies have a hot hot corner prospect (I dig saying hot back to back), why would they want to trade Franco? He was a very good prospect coming up, and while he hasn't reached the potential the scouts saw in him and indeed slumped last season, he's still just 25. He was rated as high as the #17 prospect on his way to the major leagues.
I know you don't really want to take sides on this, Mark, and I won't be at all offended if you don't agree with me, but do you truly think Maikel is a hacker and Nick Hundley isn't? Feel free to answer via e-mail if you choose. I was shocked that the two stats in the areas that indicated swinging outside the zone were so close. The big difference is that Maikel doesn't strike out nearly as often.
Maikel's BABIP is much lower than Nick's, and I don't see much reason for it. The one factor that could be pertinent is that Maikel's infield fly ball rate is high, which often corresponds with a low BABIP. But Maikel's is 44 points lower than Nick's. I will be surprised if Franco doesn't have something of a breakout season, likely as soon as 2018.
The best way I can explain it when a guy's BABIP is far lower than it appears it should be, there's something like a pent-up energy that is likely to release itself soon. Seeing how closely Nick and Franco compare in many statistical ways leads me even more to believe that Franco is on the verge of at least a mini-breakout.
In 2013 Franco hit 31 homers between High A ball and AA. He hit just as well in AA as he had in A+. He hasn't hit that many homers since, but it seems the potential is there.
I don't think he will do quite this well power-wise, but it wouldn't shock me if Franco hit .260 with 30 homers this season.
Incidentally, in the middle of last season I used the BABIP thing to predict to Mark that Joey Votto would hit .350 the rest of the season. I put my money where my mouth is and traded Paul Goldschmidt for him (a very risky move given all Goldschmidt's steals at that point in the season). I was slightly off, but Votto hit .341 for me, and Goldy stole like one more base than Joey the rest of the way.
I'm merely mentioning how this type of analysis can work out. (And if the Giants DO get Franco, hopefully it will REALLY work out in his case.) Lest you think I'm bragging, Mark will tell you there are plenty of times that I'm wrong too.
Here is the weirdest thing I've seen in fantasy baseball. I realize most of us don't even know what it is, and this will merely make it seem less like real baseball, but there wasn't a single player I had for the entire season. Lots of trades and free agent pickups.
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Post by klaiggeb on Dec 20, 2017 11:21:17 GMT -5
Roger, I'm really tired of arguing with you.
I really am.
No matter what anyone says, you disagree.
The truly believe that your numbers prove everything.
They don't.
They flat out don't.
You see what you see, black and white numbers.
I see the player play, AND I see the numbers, and I PUT more weight on what I see.
I have baseball eyes, you don't.
The Philley announcers SAID he's a first ball swinger.
That he swings at anything.
Yet you're disputing the men that watch him play every day.
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Post by sfgdood on Dec 20, 2017 12:57:19 GMT -5
I would welcome this kid...we are in desperate need of power.
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Post by rog on Dec 21, 2017 15:20:20 GMT -5
Franco is a moot point now. I would love to have him, but I think the Phillies would be fools to let him go -- and teams are getting better at not making stupid decisions.
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