Post by rog on Dec 8, 2017 18:05:46 GMT -5
Giancarlo Stanton has informed the Cardinals he won't waive his no-trade clause to join them. There is no word on whether he delivered a similar message to the Giants, although last night a report circled that Stanton might want to go to them either.
We've discussed that Stanton very likely wants to play for the Dodgers. The question is whether that rules out the Giants or not. The Marlins don't want to take any existing offer from the Dodgers, since the Dodgers are unwilling to take on as much of Stanton's contract as the Cardinals or Giants.
So what we have is a situation where while we have criticized the Dodgers for their big spending, in this case their refusal thus far to spend as much on Stanton as the Giants are willing to has thus far worked to the benefit of the Giants, who themselves have already committed to a payroll right around the Luxury Tax threshold.
Whereas we criticized the Dodgers for their big spending, we likely won't criticize the Giants if they themselves reach up into that rare air.
Incidentally, even at their past levels, we know there are plenty of teams and fans out there who would love to be able to spend like the Giants.
With regard to acquiring Stanton, in their own self-interest, the Marlins have made Stanton available. The two questions that remain are whether the Dodgers offer enough to entice the Marlins to part with Giancarlo and on the other side, whether Stanton agrees to sign with another team such as the Dodgers.
As far as the Stanton negotiations go, it is the Dodgers, not the Giants, who are being the el cheapos. The Dodgers want to cut payroll. The Giants are almost certainly planning to increase theirs.
It is almost certain that the Marlins want Stanton to agree to the Giants, while Stanton himself prefers the Dodgers. The Marlins have the threat of holding onto Stanton and forcing him to play for a rebuilding team. Stanton has the final hand in determining which, if any, team he'll agree to play for.
Right now the Dodgers haven't agreed to pay enough for Stanton to entice the Marlins to let him go there. But Stanton has the last say.
In terms of who has the most say, it goes:
1. Stanton
2. Dodgers
3. Marlins
The Marlins don't want to be stuck with Stanton's contract, but they were the ones who gave it to him. He very likely doesn't want to play for them anymore, but he's in a better bargaining position than the Marlins, since he has the last say.
If anything, I would think the signing of Ohtani will now slow down any announcement of a Stanton trade. One wouldn't think it makes sense for either Stanton or the acquiring team to want to share the spotlight with the Japanese star.
Now, not signing Ohtani might make the Dodgers more willing to take on more of Stanton's salary. With the exception of the likely delay so as not to share the spotlight, I suspect that time isn't on the Giants' side.
If he is of that resolve, Giancarlo can simply hold out until he forces the Marlins to either eat his entire contract (barring his choosing to opt out) or trade him to the team of his choice. Maybe the Angels are more attractive to him now.
We've discussed that Stanton very likely wants to play for the Dodgers. The question is whether that rules out the Giants or not. The Marlins don't want to take any existing offer from the Dodgers, since the Dodgers are unwilling to take on as much of Stanton's contract as the Cardinals or Giants.
So what we have is a situation where while we have criticized the Dodgers for their big spending, in this case their refusal thus far to spend as much on Stanton as the Giants are willing to has thus far worked to the benefit of the Giants, who themselves have already committed to a payroll right around the Luxury Tax threshold.
Whereas we criticized the Dodgers for their big spending, we likely won't criticize the Giants if they themselves reach up into that rare air.
Incidentally, even at their past levels, we know there are plenty of teams and fans out there who would love to be able to spend like the Giants.
With regard to acquiring Stanton, in their own self-interest, the Marlins have made Stanton available. The two questions that remain are whether the Dodgers offer enough to entice the Marlins to part with Giancarlo and on the other side, whether Stanton agrees to sign with another team such as the Dodgers.
As far as the Stanton negotiations go, it is the Dodgers, not the Giants, who are being the el cheapos. The Dodgers want to cut payroll. The Giants are almost certainly planning to increase theirs.
It is almost certain that the Marlins want Stanton to agree to the Giants, while Stanton himself prefers the Dodgers. The Marlins have the threat of holding onto Stanton and forcing him to play for a rebuilding team. Stanton has the final hand in determining which, if any, team he'll agree to play for.
Right now the Dodgers haven't agreed to pay enough for Stanton to entice the Marlins to let him go there. But Stanton has the last say.
In terms of who has the most say, it goes:
1. Stanton
2. Dodgers
3. Marlins
The Marlins don't want to be stuck with Stanton's contract, but they were the ones who gave it to him. He very likely doesn't want to play for them anymore, but he's in a better bargaining position than the Marlins, since he has the last say.
If anything, I would think the signing of Ohtani will now slow down any announcement of a Stanton trade. One wouldn't think it makes sense for either Stanton or the acquiring team to want to share the spotlight with the Japanese star.
Now, not signing Ohtani might make the Dodgers more willing to take on more of Stanton's salary. With the exception of the likely delay so as not to share the spotlight, I suspect that time isn't on the Giants' side.
If he is of that resolve, Giancarlo can simply hold out until he forces the Marlins to either eat his entire contract (barring his choosing to opt out) or trade him to the team of his choice. Maybe the Angels are more attractive to him now.